Well here's the latest never-ending drama in the airline industry... Last March, Delta announced that they planned to operate daily nonstop flights between Los Angeles and Beijing as of December 16, 2016. Exactly two weeks later, American announced that they planned to operate daily nonstop flights between Los Angeles and Beijing as of December 16,…
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Regardless of who's right and who's not.
Is it only me or North American (AA,CA,DL,etc) all have accused other airlines for not playing fair?
What about them ?
It can't be that they're the ONLY airlines playing fair and everyone is else is cheating.
Look at the bigger picture....
Look at the rest of the docket. Unfortunately it seems the DOT approved Air China's extension for 2 years (a day before AA's response was filed?). However, AA did say that any time a Chinese would file for slots (or extensions) that AA would object.
Nothing to do with "foul play" here or protecting Air China.
This is all political maneuvering on the Chinese government's end. They have not been pleased with some of Donald Trump's stances towards them.
This is pretty poor form on the Chinese government's part.
Yeah, probably going to be pretty tough getting China's cooperation on anything as long as the US continues to threaten a trade war and continues on its path to recognizing Taiwan independence. Words and actions have consequences and this may very well be just the beginning. Pretty much guaranteed that if the Houston slot is taken away, this will not be the only American slot that is taken away in China. Nobody wins a trade war.
Lucky,
As a matter of fact, CAAC did not reject AA because they are playing dirty, they did so because no additional capacity is allowed at PEK. As of now, CAAC would not award ANY carrier ANY slot at PEK, PVG or SHA. During the review of last year's on time performance, these airports did not meet the standard set by CAAC. As a result, CAAC ruled that no additional capacity shall be added to those airport in the short term, until they have a better on-time performance.
yes as DCG pointed out, no additional slot will be added to PEK until overall on-time performance is improved.
Not just PEK but a number of other airports such as PVG, HGH, NKG and FOC received such capacity ban. Believe the ban still remains effective in PEK
Of course they are playing dirty, it's what they do. Is that not obvious by now? Glad to finally see a post somewhere on boardingarea not bashing US carriers.
This is how the CCP is. To do business in China, you have to grease palms. AA probably didn't grease any or not enough. The current leadershipn in China says they're cracking down on corruption? Gimme a break.
Wow your title is almost Fox News click bait worthy.
The slot wasn't granted because of capacity. You may want to keep your anti-China aggression to your self on this one.
Wait until my boy trump hears about this. Can't wait for him to drop the bomb. The A bomb
Getting slots in PEK is just as difficult, if not more, as LHR these days....not just for AA but also for any Chinese carriers (well..air China could be an exception)
I'm sure AA/DL/UA are greasing the domestic palm just as hard & have been quite successful at that. China has every right to protect it's own business whether semi-owned by gov or not. Now you cannot expect to go into any other country and demand been treated like it's home, that only applies to illegals in the usa.
Supreme leader trump must build a floating smart wall that will prevent Chinese airlines from coming to the US (and Mexico will pay for it).
China doesn't have any slots open for a US airline, because they are all taken up by their own government airline flying that route 3X daily. Air China is 'entitled' to 3 slots at LAX, but AA is not entitled to any slots at all.
This is exactly what Trump has been saying all along. There is already a "trade war", but up until now only the Chinese have been fighting it. China has been acting out "China First", while the US has been naively thinking we were all in a fair global marketplace. Trump wants to push back on that, not to close off trade, but to open up opportunity for American businesses.
@Robert Hanson - Agreed 100% We are dealing with a global adversary that does not believe in free, fair open trade. Therefore, we should allow their airlines exactly as many slots as they give our airlines.
Apparently PEK and PVG are banned for increasing slots due to bad punctuality by CAAC, hence any carrier cannot increase frequency let along an US carrier. But who knows the real reason? It could be anything from economical to political or preferential...
@Dcg the rule only regulate domestic flight only
In deed CAAC do not really strictly carry out the rule, those airport can still increase flight in Chinese lunar new year.
So you're calling them Dirty China?
And who cares about that stupid LAX/HOU-PEK route.
To be fair, Air China should give up at least one slot in PEK to AA if they would like to keep flying to LAX.
why would CAAC make an exception for AA, if the ban applies to all airlines operating in PEK?
@orion
air china did this last time by giving one slot at pek to aa, instead aa gave their one slot at lhr to air china. they should do the same thing...
@bsp
Good to know the past slot trade. It is ridiculous to see Air China flies 3x daily between PEK and LAX, while AA can't even do one.
@dcg that ban only applies to PVG, SHA, URC and TSN as of 22 January 2017 (CAAC's latest notice). PEK was never on the list in 2016 AFAIK.
American Airlines does not need the LAX Beijing route when they already have 2 daily non stop flights from the US to Beijing. One from Dallas and another from Chicago. Don't be such a chazzer American.
They already have 3 daily flights to Shanghai and 2 to Hong Kong. How about expanding to other parts of Asia ? Vietnam is an emerging market .