I Missed My American Connection... At Least It Was Profitable?

Why is a brand new plane having soo many issues? Do better Boeing.

You can claim the cost of the hotel too. Have done it with Delta before when they offered hotels that I was not interested in and just sent them the bill. Not sure it would work if you used points though.

Wow. Your story sounded eerily familiar to me, until I looked back and realized we were on the same flight! Thankfully I had a (originally) 4 hour layover for my flight home to PHX.

I assume you're also entitled to the chase or amex travel delay protection that you have?

But honestly, why is AA having so many issues with the new dreamliners? It's not like the seats haven't been on other planes before as QR has been flying them for a while now.

I would love to know exactly what the 'maintenance' issues are.

What 3 hotel options did American offer?

I had an AA flight delayed 16 hours in ORD. The customer service line was too long so I just booked my own hotel and contacted AA after for hotel and uber reimbursement - which they agreed to.

Boeing can't do better since they assemble the 787s in the MAGA state of South Carolina.

@ RK -- I wrote about the hotel options in this post:
https://onemileatatime.com/insights/american-airlines-overnight-hotel-offer-terrible/

@ InceptionCat -- Yeah, I'm not sure what exactly is causing this, but clearly two of the new 787-9Ps have issues. I'm not sure if it's a Boeing quality defect, or if it's because the planes were briefly in storage, or what. I'm sure it's not directly American's fault, but ultimately a passenger's contract is with the airline, and the airline's contract is with the aircraft manufacturer.

@ Omar -- That's secondary beyond whatever else is covered by UK261 regulations. In this case, I guess they'd cover the hotel if American wouldn't, but that's about it.

@ Samar -- Sorry to have missed you, and happy to hear your connection worked out better!

@ Mika -- So UK261 regulations aren't very clear on that. They say the airline is required to cover the cost of hotel, but doesn't clarify what happens if you reject the hotel that the airline offers. Some airlines are more generous in that regard, while others aren't.

On Monday 14JUL I was to fly from SFO to DFW on AA, on aircraft N146AA (A321). It hadn't been flying the day before, and only came from maintenance an hour late to operate hour flight, which then diverted back to SFO due to pressurisation issues.

Two weeks after my flight, it had not been able to operate a single flight on schedule, mostly not operating at all and whenever they manage to get it up in the air, it was hours and hours late. What is wrong here?

Even after a several-day (maintenance?) break in Pittsburgh the plane just broke down time and time again. Now it finally seems to operate normally.

90 minutes or less connection from an International flight is always pushing it. Too many little things can go wrong and then you don't get to tuck your kids into bed that evening 🙁

There's issues with the seats, it has nothing to do with Boeing..

@ UncleRonnie -- For sure, though in this case, it was a two hour connection. Also, 11PM is way after my kids go to bed anyway. Also, this was the only flight that had availability, so I was ultimately happy to take it. If I absolutely needed to be in Miami that night, I would've taken an earlier flight. 🙂

@Ben after being burned by short connections before, I’d rather not have the anxiety, even if it is a bit more exhausting.

Would have loved to say hi. Maybe next time!

Even a two hour afternoon/evening domestic connection gives me worry knowing AA. Why didn't you just get a hotel room, submit receipts to AA to see if they would pay and take something other than a 5AM flight?

AA for the most part isn't going to hold a flight-even last flight out. Sad but true.

@ George Romey -- To be clear, I like 5AM flights. I'm a morning person, so that timing wasn't an issue with me. 🙂 I'll have a separate post about my experience reaching out to American...

Agree, I don't expect American to hold flights, I just found it interesting in light of the recent announcement American made about holding more flights.

@ Samar -- Hope to say hi next time as well! Regarding the anxiety of a connection that isn't super long, I hear you, but I figured worst case scenario, it would play out exactly like this (which isn't ideal, but isn't terrible, given the compensation).

I was in London specifically to review the Park Hyatt, and if I had taken the earlier 787-9P flight, I wouldn't have had time to have breakfast at the hotel, which is kind of a key part of a luxury hotel review. 🙂

Good on you, Lucky, for pursuing UK261 compensation! Let us know how it goes.

Yeah, that would cover hotel and meals, but (1) it’s separate from any UK 261 comp, and (2) since you can only use twice a year, I don’t want to use if the airline covers those costs.

The way I look at it is there’s always a chance I’m going to make it; if not, then the airline/insurance will sort out a new flight and hotel for the night.

I wouldn’t book an overnight connection and pay for the hotel just because I think there’s a 10% chance I will miss the connection…

It wasn't profitable until you actually receive the compensation. Good luck with that!

Can they blame the gate not being available?

Also strange foreign law would apply to a domestic connection. If the TATL is on time, and a domestic flight is cancelled, the UK can make AA pay up?

Yes, it's only a success once you actually get it. Still fighting Iberia on it, they keep saying that what my delay was was out of their control. That's complete BS when the last few flights for that same route has always been delayed by more than an hour or so. I wish you luck on it as I am still in arguments with it with Iberia.

They made me miss my connection in Madrid to Milan FYI.

United pulled back the jetway but reconnected it for me in Houston!!!!! And I have no status with them

Yes. The whole itinerary is covered regardless if it's a domestic flight or not.

Last year I received £520 from AA for LHR-LAX arriving 4 hr 4 min late (what a difference a few minutes make!). AA certainly doesn't make it an easy online process. I had to write to customer service requesting the form, received back a canned apology, replied to that and someone sent me a form. About 3 weeks after sending the form I received a check for $652.

How did your father's trip back go?

So many questions.......

@ mkleiderman — He stayed longer, and is in Lufthansa first class heading across the Atlantic as I type this. 🙂

"On the plus side, at least if you’re going to have something like this happen, it’s nice for it to happen on a flight departing the European Union or United Kingdom. The European Union has EC261, while the United Kingdom has UK261"

I personally never connect from Europe into another US city but always fly non stop from Europe to my final US destination. And it is not because of the EU compensation but because I rather stay another night in Europe than stuck at a US city. At least I can enjoy an extra night in London, Rome, Paris, Amsterdam but what good it makes it if I am stuck in Chicago, Detroit, NYC, so close but not at home yet. Same goes to fly out from the US to Europe. I rather fly from my home hub to any EU city than to another US city. If something goes bad with my flight, I at least just drive back home and sleep in my bed. If I make to Europe, there are tons of options to reach my final EU destination which includes trains if planes are delayed.

@ Sel, D. — Gate is considered within the carrier’s control. And yep, they have to pay up based on a domestic segment that’s part of an international itinerary.

Just curious how you got from Munich to LHR as I did not see any post regarding this flight?

@ P. Roberts -- I flew British Airways on an A320neo. I'll have a full review of the flight in my trip report series, but figured it wasn't worth a preview post. 🙂

Europe is so much more advanced than America! You were lucky that you originated from a modern democracy and that you therefore had rights as a passenger.

You haven't been reading the news lately? Every new Boeing delivery, especially the 787, is fraught with problems as a result of their profits over product philosophy (the same one that is tanking AA as well)

Did you know there are hundreds of airports in the US that don't have nonstop flights to Europe?

In my experience the credit card coverage will cover clothing or other things that are not covered under UK261, or an expensive meal. I've even gotten a purchase of headphones covered for business reasons.

Yes, I did. But I am talking about my own experience and I am fortunate to live in a place that there are non stop flights to Europe. My comments were on Ben's decision to fly back home connecting at a US airport vs flying non stop to Miami. Having the option, I would never do that.

With the construction at ORD, any connection is dicey. It's not unheard of to have a 1+ hour long taxi. I'm normally in the 20-30 minute range.

If the flight is full and there are standbys and they are ready to go they go. The only flights I’ve ever had held in DFW/CLT on 3 occasions were the last flight of the night to Houston with at least a dozen other connecting passengers from my flight. Did any other airlines have availability from Chicago to MIA that evening. ? Thanks for taking one for the team and flying the new premium product for us Ben. Not the most direct route between LHR and MIA.

Good son

Yes. But a gate not being available is not AA’s fault. And only causes within the airlines control are covered by 261. Indirect impacts such as the gate not being available because the flight was late are often found in favour of the airline because it was outside their control

I flew DFW-LAX on Friday night and AA held us almost an hour for connecting passengers. I was running from a late inbound from MCI and they were boarding group 9 when I got there. When I boarded I thought “gee… sure are a lot of empty seats considering they were on group 9…” I only passed maybe 15 people when I breezed through the priority lane. Shortly after I sat down they posted a 30 minute delay and said they had 80 (!!!) passengers coming off a delayed flight from VCE. The delay ended up being about 50 minutes. LAX was my final; I hope no one on my flight was trying to connect to SYD on AA since by the time we arrived that connection wasn’t going to happen.

It was no more than a slight inconvenience to me - I’m sure everyone who made it to LAX that night was happy AA waited. There was one more DFW-LAX that night but can’t imagine there were 80 open seats.

Don’t you have an annual travel insurance policy? They are under $150 and you could have filed a claim for your delay

Yes, that's UK law which AA brings itself into by flying to the UK. and if they refuse, you take them to small claims court in the UK and then if things get really silly, issue bailiffs to seize AA property that is on UK soil... in the fashion of the incident ben covered here https://onemileatatime.com/news/saudia-flight-delayed-amsterdam-unpaid-compensation/

And will that insurance policy pay you £520 when your flight is delayed?

No.

Apples and oranges.

How are your folks doing, Ben ?

Good luck on getting your refund from AA. They might not compensate you if they think UK261 applies to British citizens and not American citizens, etc., but I would hold firm, as I expect you to do.

That's a misnomer. An aircraft company is liable for everything it sells regardless of which supplier they used. If the seats were installed after delivery, however, then that supplier is responsible.

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Retarded comment. That's the best you can do?

Now that I read this article about your connection, I think this missed connection could have been avoided. You tried to have an international transit with less than two hours and you know that the gates typically close ten minutes prior which not often observed, somtimes more or less. Many US airports these days have construction work. Whether or not you are entitled to UK261 and whether American Airlines honors it is another topic.

It’s law. AA doesn’t have to honour it, it has to follow it or can face legal follow-up.

Also, regarding connections: every connection sold must be possible to reach by the customer, no matter it’s a 45min connection or 180min connection.

In Europe the governments are afraid of the people. In the U. S., the people are afraid of the government

Boeing doesn't make the new premium seating (or any seating, for that matter). The problems are stemming from issues with the seat product, according to what I've been told by former co-workers (I retired from AA last Nov).

Iberia... oh Iberia. After several bad experiences with their standard claim process, I filed two identical claims (one for me, one for my wife) with the Spanish Transport Ministry which responded by 'approving' one and 'denying' the other (I wrote both of them, copy pasting it all but the names). It is not technically an approval/denial, as it is a so-called arbitration, but I gather IB tends to comply with the arbitration ruling. With the denial in hand, I filed with one of the many EU 261 litigation brokers and got my money (less 35% of the broker's fee) within days. I know the EU bureaucrats are trying to reduce the scope of EU 261, but I would INCREASE IT by forcing airlines to pay the brokers/lawyers in any ON TOP of the compensation to the passenger. Airlines are extremely disingenuous on their treatment of passengers.

@iamhere: Classic blame the victim….SAD!

Showing up on a blog where most of us travel frequently, and have global entry, to say a single ticket two hour I to D connection is inadequate is ... special.

They don't think that. That's not what the law says and it's not like this is the first time AA is delayed out of LHR.

Yes, it applies to the journey as a whole. If AA didn't want to abide by UK/EU261 they're free to refuse through bookings from the UK/EU.

Of course the profits they stand to make are greater than the compliance costs, so they've made the decision to accept through bookings.