A few days ago we learned how American Airlines plans to launch service to Qatar in 2022. The flight is now on sale, so I wanted to provide an update with all of the details, including the schedule, the aircraft that will be used, etc.
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American keeps the revenue when it flies its own metal to Doha. It keeps little to none when it simply uses a codeshare on the QR-operated flight. That's really all there is to it. With a lot of their network inaccessible as you point out (China, Asia, etc), why not try to earn some money on a route that will probably be full?
They should first fix their blunders with the recently launched JFK-DEL route which is unnecessarily long due to lack of Russian airspace access before making new mistakes!
Haha why I'd pick even AA first class over QR q-suites.
Maybe the route is launching in anticipation of November 2022 demand for the World Cup there?
Who in their right mind would fly AA to Doha, when you could fly Qatar? Seriously? I recall being in Santiago de Chile and having an AA rep try to beg me to switch to their flight to MIA versus the LANChile one I was booked on. I declined. At the time, the AA and LAN check in desks were contiguous, so when I went to check in early for my LAN flight it was an AA rep who did it. Even then, I passed - and AA is a lot worse now.
Why would I pay AA's insane dynamic award prices when I can instead pay 70K for travel on QR and get a better business class seat? No thanks
Ok who in their right mind would fly AA over Qatar Airlines, other than a free ticket who? Disclaimer I have not flown AA in two years ( by choice ) but have enough sub par flights to know generally what to expect. One reason many of us long time flyers on AS are *^*&%^$ that we are forced onto AA metal from time to time.
The other question is AA capable of providing a real First/Biz class service? Not withstanding the hard working FA's and their ability it's the mindset of AA's management. I am happy to see Parker retiring and look forward to see if the direction of AA changes, I sincerely hope so for us AS flyers.
wow, Americans grasping for salvation with their partners again.
United route planning --> adds destinations to desired destinations
American --> lets funnel passengers to partners
American has no international business proposition except for South America & London
If I had to guess, this is two-fold:
1) Take advantage of the World Cup
2) Getting a better slice of revenue on the route than a simple codeshare would bring.
If this route makes anything, I would not be surprised if it is terminated post-World Cup
The benefit of airline revenue sharing agreements (pool agreement, code-sharing, etc) where only one carrier operates on the route is economic. The partner carrier without services gets a share of route profits without the costs of flight operations. Qatar and most other Middle East carriers have long participated in such commercial agreements that focus on co-operation versus competition. Qatar Airways has a comprehensive route structure, a world class home airport and reliable operations. During the Pandemic they continued global flight services despite substantial operating losses. AA route planners probably see connecting to Qatar’s “beyond” Doha route structure will generate both World Cup and connection traffic gains, especially since AA simply doesn’t have competitive in-flight service compared to that offered on Qatar Airways.
"There are of course some advantages to being able to fly American, like the ability to use systemwide upgrades on these flights, but that won’t exactly make this flight a money-maker"
You say "some advantages," but you've named literally the only advantage. And by definition, this advantage is a low yield one.
It's laughable that AA thinks this makes sense.
Would it be like the Air Canada DOH route - zero O/D - 100% based on funneling traffic to India/Pak
You could ask yourself who in their right mind would fly AC (Y or J) to DOH, but they are making that route work.
Didn’t think of this till now, but American got a decent amount of the GSA City Pair Awards to DOH and beyond legs can be flown by QR if they have codeshare.
When you have 2 of the BEST AIRLINES IN THE BUSINESS Flying this route, then add the European lines, who in their right mind would step foot in t AA ?
No matter how nice QR may be, people on government funding/buiness travel will be required by law (Fly America act) to travel on AA and then connect to a QR flight in Qatar. All these people will be stuck on American now ...and they say the ME3 have unfair government support...ha.
I often choose American in Y over a partner so that I can choose better seats for free (I'm PLAT) -- that often does not work well on partner flights, or they have fewer better seats, or I don't know the plane well enough and can't be bothered to research, etc. Usually, it is all about the seat.
This is exclusively about proving to the DOJ that the B6 partnership is good for US carriers. AA is now “competing” with QR on this route. The US gov’t has a vendetta against the ME3 and AA is leveraging that to make their case for the B6 alliance.
If they have to “waste” a wide body flying to DOH to buffer their other JFK flying, this makes more sense.
Not… 100% true.
The Fly America Act requires us to fly on any flight operated with a U.S. carrier’s flight number. Codeshares operated by QR metal count.
Also the contract to DOH is on B6 now, but it may go back to QR.
QR to all over the region - they even codeshare on YYZ-DOH.
They do the same with their DXB flights where they manage to "compete" with far superior carriers (EK/EY) and still fill their flights by funneling people to Air India/PK/UL.
There is virtually zero o/d traffic to DXB/DOH on AC, but flights are rammed.
Imagine buying a QR ticket, with a QR flight number and having to fly AC. Thats even a bigger downgrade than QR->AA!
Although hardly a great product for international first class, if AA uses a 777-300ER for the route, at least it would have first class, which no QR plane flying to the U.S. has (unless QR starts flying an A380 to the U.S.). If AA doesn't use the 777-300ER for the route, then I have absolutely no idea why AA would put a plane on the route, nor would I understand why someone would choose AA over QR.
The DOJ complaint against AA/B6 reads more like a Qanon conspiracy theory than an actual antitrust case. While I am sure they are taking it seriously, it's hard to imagine AA would launch a route to help win that case. I think American can win the case without launching a new route to Doha.
American Airlines can even be diverse on domestic flights in the United States. How do they expect to fly to the Middle East with all the different rituals that they have for praying. American Airlines has a lack of management and skilled employees.!
This is 100% due to the base in Qatar, and American being able to become the contract carrier to Doha. They will be able to fill these seats with Military on gov fares.
Surprised this wasn't out of PHX or CLT. AA hubs that don't get QR direct flights. But makes sense for the World Cup I suppose.
The proposed New York / Doha airlink by American Airlines would be more beneficial to the passengers from India and Sri Lanka. Flying out of Colombo or Madras to Doha, they can conveniently connect to America at the Hamad International Airport
Well, the contract couldn't go to QR, but it can go to AA (incl. operated by QR) - or stick with B6 (op by QR).
AA might be more likely to win that route since they'll actually be operating it.
Not necessarily. Government travelers are permitted to take a QR flight to the U.S. as long as the flight is ticketed under AA’s code for the flight departing/entering the U.S. I took several Etihad flights to/from the U.S. on American’s code for official travel.
Flying YYZ - DOH there is no choice other than going on AC unless you want to go via the US (which many do not want to do owing to the hassles). YYZ - YUL - DOH is also possible but logistically problematic and costlier.
And what makes this better or more convenient than just flying qatar airways from CMB/MAA onto USA?
Really
The only reason is the 222 soccer World Cup
I thought everyone would know this
Let's take other side of equation
Qatar and AA can take revenue share out of Etihad and Emirates for pax flying to south asian and also other far east countries
JFK-DOH-BKK
JFK-DOH-SIN
JFK-DOH-KUL
JFK-DOH- CGK
JFK-DOH-DPS
and also india, pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka
United giving 1 stop option via Delhi or Mumbai to many indian cities with layover at both airport around 5 to 8 hours to secondary indian cities, creating journey of 20 to 24 hrs
AA and Qatar cut that to 18 to 20hr and not going through mumbai and Delhi
So here are few possibilities
JFK-DOH-AMD
JFK-DOH-BLR
JFK-DOH-HYD
JFK-DOH-MAA
JFK-DOH-KOCHI
JFK-DOH-CALCUTTA
My wife and I flew on Qatar to Doha this fall, they have a much superior business class than American. Check out the qsuite that Qatar offers and you will see why.
AA and DL are essentially swapping roles. As a oneword airline it was obligated. BA and their hub will lose valuable critical mass due to Brexit . Besides unbeatable connection to India, I'm guessing they will use Doha to serve Perth or Colombo?
AA will switch to the 777-200ER on JFK-DOH from September 2022. The new schedules were downloaded last night.
Some other notables:
JFK-CDG going 77W for several months.
JFK-LHR going 3 x 77W and 1 77E
JFK-GRU down gauged from 77W to 77E
MIA-EZE down gauged from 77W to 1 daily 77E and 3 weekly 789
MIA-CDG cut
JFK-DEL remains 77W (was supposed to switch to the 77E)
It will be interesting to see if JetBlue is most affected by this. Perhaps there's a clause in the AA-B6 agreement that prevents B6 from codesharing on flights which duplicate AA's, so B6 has to feed traffic to DOH through AA not QR (can still connect to QR through BOS).
So let’s way this up - AA versus QR.. should I continue ? All those poor employees now forced to fly on AA.. enjoy the ride -:)
Qatar is streets ahead of AA for service etc but I find the Q Suite claustrophobic. The table is badly positioned under the TV and you knock into it when sleeping, the blanket gets tangled in the narrow legs tunnel of the bed. Space is cramped. I'm feeling claustrophobic writing this.
Using DOH Over LHR To reach Africa or the Middle East from the The U.S makes a better sense.
AA has canceled a previously announced plans recently. We will wait and see if this route will materialize in Jun.2021.
The schedule looks weird. What connectivity is AA looking with this schedule.. most flights to India depart Doha between 5-9pm. All other flights to India and Asia leave early morning (2-4 am).
Nice article, Gary. Very well written and the photos help. A couple of points:
First, I have flown AA internationally (always in Business or First Class) on their 777-200ER (a real "woof woof" of a plane) and 777-300ER, the 787-8 and 787-9, and in the old days their 767s (mercifully they are all retired now ...). Whoever designed the new interiors (gray, with tan - have you no flair or imagination???) should be designing caskets and funeral home interiors. Enough said on that. And then when you couple that with really poor quality food and beverages (for about 3 years, I flew DFW to HKG about every 6 weeks, mostly in First Class, about every 6-8 weeks, so I know about their food and beverages) are really second rate. For goodness sake, hire an international chef from another airline with good food and give him/her the decision authority. Maybe look at EVA Air, or Cathay Pacific, or Singapore Air, or even some lowlier choices. You gotta do better, American.
Second, the schedule is DREADFUL. Who chose those hours??? In a couple of weeks, I fly DFW to DOH (again, just flew it recently, too) and leave DFW at around 6:30 pm, and get into DOH at 6:00 pm to connect to my onward flight (arriving at my destination at 6:30 am). Excellent excellent hours.
And third, the Qatar Airways product is simply second to none. It is "top tier", like EVA Air, and Singapore Air, and Cathay Pacific, and a host of others who make the experience more than simply going from Point A to Point B. Qatar is truly an enjoyable experience. Plus I get there at a great hour, rested from being in a Q-Suite, and ready to go on my business. Why on Earth would I choose AA over that?
EdSparks
AA adding a flight to Doha provides more choice in flying to Africa. Every year we travel to Africa and Delta/KLM have dominated the route. During high peak Delta/KLM prices are high. Qatar had competitive prices especially when they were trying to get into multiple US hubs years ago. We flew Qatar back in 2014 because they had great prices. They have since increased.
Now we want to travel during holidays and Delta/KLM are too expensive. We discovered the AA flight from Doha to JFK. Because Qatar has one flight out of the country we are flying out of, our layover in Doha would be long. The AA flight is perfect because our layover is under two hours and cuts our total travel time by about 7 hours. Plus the AA flight is half the cost. I would love to fly Qatar but we will see how AA does. My expectations are low. Also our comparison is based on some other poor performing carriers we have experienced. Looking forward to comparing the international flights of domestic carriers. Delta has improved greatly, We get a chance to take United going to Africa and AA coming home. We will see who is better.
Qatar is wonderful but I guess we will get what we pay for this holiday season.