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American's New Caribbean & Latin America Routes

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American has just announced some route additions as well as expansions for travel to the Caribbean and Latin America. It’s the routes out of New York that I find most surprising (but also logical).

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 Rob
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Some of the times on those flights though, oof (particularly the DFW-SJU ones).


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Gold
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Nonsense of a 'boutique airline' in NYC was just some justification of looking at short-term spreadsheets on the chop board.


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 ECR
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I would love to see an airline offer more leisure routes departing NYC late in the day (~7pm) esp Thurs/Fri in winter to accomodate weekend trips without taking days off of work. Maybe I'm in the minority.


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 305
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That DFW-SJU-DFW route's timing is almost as bad as the Spirit FLL-IAG-FLL you posted about awhile back. Talk about torture.


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 Z
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You forgot about the new PHX adds (ICT, CID, and MSY). Important, as people still seem to think PHX will be de-hubbed...it won't be.


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 H
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Could the SJU addition be for better conection times to Asian destinations? I mean, since there are no non-stops to LAX ( a route they used to serve).


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D0 is going to be tough with a 9 minute turn in LIR...


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(@henry LAX)
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AA lost any claim of "business traveler" the moment they sent ZRH to PHL, surrendered BRU a while back, not flying to actual business destinations like TLV/FRA/MEX, not serve Houston or Denver from LGA, and when they needed scapegoats for 737max grounding and for JFK runway capacity pruning, they picked JFK-SEA/SAN transcons.

But somehow JFK-BWI exists even though Amtrak Acela can get you NY Penn to Baltimore Penn in 2:16. (the rival fortress excuses are thoroughly lame considering DL sending their spanking new A220 LGA-DFW, while all of IAH/HOU/DEN could be served from LGA).

So I took the effort to get the consolidated airline shares using official PANYNJ stats, all full-year at year-end. (The * are FYI only since those have been lumped into merged carrier for that specific year pro-forma). The differential from '14-'18 is stark. Share growth for others are either modest (DL, +80bps) or minor trims (UA/B6, both -20bps). AA, on the other other hand, gave away -290bps.

Before people jump on how Conti has always been huge", keep in mind before 2006 EWR is considered the junk airport for the ugly stepsister airline that is Houston-based compared to the Dallas-based behemoth. Absolutely no one took them seriously back then - after all, they're the successor of PeoplExpress. Think of those earlier CO market share figures in the same perspective as how you would view share counts from London LTN, Orlando SFB, and Phoenix AZA.

With all that in mind, these Caribbean adds are merely token service to meet slot usage requirement, nothing more to that.

____1998____2002____2006____2010____2014____2018

UA__7.4%____5.6%____3.9%____27.0%___23.8%___23.6%
CO__21.9%___22.4%___24.4%___23.5%**

AA__15.0%___17.3%___16.0%___13.0%___15.0%___12.1%
US__8.5%____5.8%____4.6%____5.9%____4.2%**
HP__1.2%____1.3%____0.9%**
TWA_5.6%

DL__14.5%___13.6%___12.7%___19.8%___21.5%___22.3%
NW__3.0%____3.5%____2.5%

B6__0.0%____6.2%____13.0%___13.1%___13.0%___12.8%


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Amazing news


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 Alex
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Are they reducing or shifting capacity from Miami with any of these route additions and frequency expansions at JFK/DFW?


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 ryby
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305

No one complains if JetBlue were to operate the flights at the same red eye times so why is it a problem for AA to do it?

Alex

no need to be so negative. if you really understand the market, AA is largest airline by far into MBJ with flights to DFW ORD MIA PHL CLT & BOS so it would only make sense to add JFK. You also must acknowledge that AA has strong point of sale from the Caribbean end, much more so than Delta or United for example. They have served MBJ for more than 45 years.

They are also largest US airline into ANU SJO and LIR following the same logic.

it is unfortunate that a lot of commentators and bloggers lack the analytical knowledge to thoroughly research when it comes to aviation.


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(@FNT Delta Diamond)
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Folks, New York has a huge Caribbean community. Really, really big. Heck, I swear most of the Delta Sky Club workers at JFK are Caribbean because they have the accent. They definitely aren't African-American. I'm not surprised to see additional flights to these islands. I'm somewhat, however, surprised the Latin America destinations are from New York, though. I think the Caribbean community is bigger.


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 Gene
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@ henry LAX -- WTH do all those numbers mean? Jibberish...


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Actually Ryby- they will be reducing frequency from MIA to MBJ and SJU this winter when the new routes start.


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@HenryLAX interesting numbers. Most would assume United was bigger than Continental. Also United had to pull out of JFK entirely and retreat to middle of nowhere EWR where they belong. They knew they couldn’t compete with American’s transcon Jfk lax/sfo ps routes.


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Gold
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Aside from this SJU-DFW route, are there any other markets where AA is scheduling 2:30 AM departures? Seems wacky for any of the Big Three.


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 ryby
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Chris,

I am still seeing the following:

MIA - MBJ 3 X DAILY 738
MIA - SJU 6 X DAILY 738 X 4 763 X 2

These have been the historical norms. what information do you have differently?


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