American's Distance Based OneWorld Explorer Awards

I have booked many of these. It is the absolute best value out there.

Lucky,
How easy or difficult will it be to book premium class on Qantas using AA miles? I am thinking of JFK -(AA)- LAX -(Qantas)- SYD -(Cathay)- HKG -(Cathay)- LHR -(BA)- JFK route.

Are their good distance based redemptions to Caribbean?
How do I check availability for flights using distance based awards?

Thanks for illustrating a routing from LAX. I've found these to be far more useful from the east coast than the west coast, but not always.

One tip, try to never book connections, book them as separate flights. For example, if you wanted to go from Lisbon to Venice, you can go via Madrid on IB. If you book at as 2 segments, LIS-MAD and MAD-VCE, you can turn it into a layover later on. If you don't set it up right and book it as a connection, you will have to pay a fee to turn it into a layover at MAD.

On your illustration from LAX, is there decent availabilty on QF in business? The route you illustrate could theoretically be done in F all the way, and I'd think it's worth it if I could get CX and QF F.

Please help me clarifying rule number 5: can I do: PHX-SJD -4 day stop -PHX- 3month stop-LAX-HKG-HKT-4 day stop-HKG-LAX-PHX?

USAir flies PHX-SJD so we'll just assume they're in OW for this hypothetical.

This is not new but def valuable post to direct people's attention to once in every while. Now if only Chase would ever partner with AA and US air...I'll be golden. In my opinion, AA and US Air charts have really amazing sweet spots, but their miles are harder to earn than United...

Took that award to get from Rome-Bangkok-New Zealand-US. Awesome.

Wish AA had better/more ways to get to Europe.

Can you book one way using AA Distance Based Awards?

@ Dave Op -- Qantas business class award space can be really tough to snag, though if you're planning far in advance isn't impossible. If you're just looking for it in one direction between the US and Australia I think it's perfectly realistic.

@ korrinda -- Well since the awards are distance based it all depends on where you're originating. You can enter the route you'd fly on gcmap.com to see how many miles it would be, and based on that you can look at the award chart and see whether it's a deal or not.

You can search award space on American's website, or alternatively for the partners they don't display you can search it on British Airways' and Qantas' website.

@ beachfan -- Qantas is okay about releasing business class award space in advance, though first class award space between the US and Australia is REALLY tough to come by, so I probably wouldn't count on that unless you're flexible by months at a time.

@ Jon -- You're not allowed to stopover in your originating city, though you can connect through it. So stopping in Phoenix when you're originating there wouldn't be allowed.

@ Z -- Since you're allowed an open jaw, yes, you can absolutely start in one city and end in another city on the other side of the globe if you'd like, like the zone 4 example above.

Thanks for a great summary! Though I think it is misleading to say "this means if you’re booking London > Los Angeles you can later add on a Los Angeles > Hawaii flight at no extra cost". Changing the origin or destination airport incurs a fee, at least for non elite members which is most people.

@ Andy -- Whoops, you're right, I didn't phrase that clearly. Was trying to say you can include that segment for travel on a later date, and didn't mean to say you can add it at a later date. Updated the statement to make it more accurate.

Great post. Almost makes me hope the merger goes through so I can use my US Airways miles for this. Almost.

Great info. Thanks.

I planned a distance based award in 1st DCA-ORD-SFO-HKG(CX)-SIN(CX)-CPT(via HKG/JNB CX then JBN-CPT(BA)-LHR(BA)-DFW(AA77W)-DCA Total of 32,116 miles, BUT AA Agent checked & ticketed as partner award for only 230K Miles. I ended up making changes to 3 segments @ no cost & saved 50K miles. all in 7 days and had a Grand time!! so check around YMMV

I've flown these awards a handful of times- usually book 6-8 months in advance. Every single ticket has had at least one schedule change (big surprise, I know with 12-16 segments) and the agents have always let me change my routing. And I'm talking about MAJOR routing changes for flight changes that were only by a few minutes... They do redeposit and pull the miles again (without a charge) but they are able to keep whatever segments you want from the original ticket. So now I'm not too worried about being locked into the routing as there are usually always schedule changes...

Lucky, How does AA determine the mileage? If I use gcmap and use 19,900 of the allowed 20k miles, will AA come up with the same distance or is it possible for theirs to total more.
Thanks for the useful info.

@ Dennis -- It shouldn't differ by more than a few miles from what gcmap.com shows, so if you're at 19,900 miles you should be fine.

Minor detail but there is no oneworld route that goes between BCN and CDG

@ Tyson -- True, but there is service between Barcelona and Paris Orly.

Great post Lucky. Couple clarifications please - I know it's tough to get this all down since AA is very coy about publishing rules.

1. You said you can connect thru originating city, is that right? I've seen conflicting info on other FAQs and have avoided it when redeeming in the past.
2. I believe having different origination and destination cities counts as an open jaw, but I thought it does not count as a segment, theoretically allowing one to have 16 segments and an open jaw on the front/back.
3. Do you have any experience testing the two connections and a stopover rule when the "stopover" is less than 24 hours? The original rules cited 6+ hours as a stopover, but I know other awards generally consider 24+ on intl to be a stopover.

Thanks for the clarification!

@ RingRunner -- That's correct, you can connect through the city you're originating in, you just can't have a stopover there.

My understanding is that the open jaw counts as a segment and limits you to 15, but I certainly could be wrong.

Not sure about the last question. My guess is that if it's an international city anything under 24 hours wouldn't count as a stopover despite what has been written in the past.

You may be confusing that with MAD, there is no oneworld flight from BCN to CDG or ORY

@ Tyson -- Whoops, was looking at a Vueling/Iberia flight, though I guess they're technically not part of OneWorld. My mistake!

Hi Lucky:

I am new and I am learning this bit by bit.
Is there "saver" miles for this miles based travel? If it is strickly miles based, how does availability work(any restrictions)?
Thanks for helping.

@ Marie -- Yes, there has to be saver award space in order to be able to include the flight on a distance based award. So award availability is the same as it would be for a normal partner award.

Thank you Lucky for clarifying this.
So if this is based on saver miles, is there "anytime" distance travel that requires more miles.
Thank you.

@ Marie -- Unfortunately there's no distance based award chart for standard/anytime awards.

If you have a layover of less than 24 hours (such as LAX-NRT-HKG hypothetically), then would that particular trip count as 1 segment or 2 segments toward that distance based award?

@ Brandon -- That would count as two segments. Each flight counts as one segment. The only exception is when a flight is marketed as a "direct" flight, where it's the same flight number the whole way through and continues on right away.

Thank you for writing an updated post! Are you using JFK in your example because it offers best values/OW airline choices or can some good European or Asian trips be booked out of Houston?

@ Ivan Y -- I just used it because it's a place many people live. Similar values can be had out of Houston and elsewhere.

Thank you!

If I want to book F class one way that will max out at 20k miles. Will I have to pay the full 180k AA miles or half?

@ john -- You pay the cost for the entire trip for the highest class of service you fly on a distance based award.

Is it possible to use zone 3 to fly to Easter island, other cities doesn't matter, can be any in north or south America

Hi,

Just wondering if the following routing is OK for explorer award ?

BOS->ORD->DOH->GOI...BOM->PVG->LAX->BOS

I think this is around 20K miles..

Please advise...F.A.

@ Andy -- The routing is fine, though there's not a OneWorld airline that flies nonstop from Mumbai to Shanghai, so you'd have to make an additional connection there. Otherwise looks good.

Hey Ben - I just wanter to clarify…can I begin a Oneworld Explorer award in Australia, and end in the U.S.?

@ Tom -- You sure can.

Hi Lucky,

I am planning a RTW trip for early 2015 and this posting is very helpful - thank you very much for taking the time.

One question: Where do I find the OneWorld Explorer Awards terms and conditions? I am assuming it is not the same as the normal OneWorld Explorer terms and conditions here:

http://www.oneworld.com/flights/round-the-world-fares/oneworld-explorer

Is that true? Or am I also required to meet the restrictions such as:
-"you must travel from continent to continent in a continuous westward or eastward direction, crossing the Atlantic and Pacific oceans once only"
-"A minimum of three oneworld continents must be included in your oneworld Explorer fare, or four from the Southern Hemisphere and Africa where three-continent itineraries are unavailable."
-etc

Thanks,
Zach

@ Zach -- Nope, those are different rules for revenue RTW tickets. I don't believe American actually officially publishes the terms of them online, unfortunately.

You are awesome. Thanks for the quick reply.

If I have a trip that is just into the next award level, can I "extend" my trip Stateside by adding a sector out from Miami to Sea and back? I fly out of Orlando to start the trip and land back in Miami...

@ Brian -- Once you ticket the reservation you can't change the routing anymore, so assuming you're ticketed that's not an option anymore. Sorry!

Hi Lucky,

I think I am about going for it and start to chase AAdvantage miles like crazy for my future RTW trip with my wife (use of full 16 stops, only 1 stop in central europe and take the rail everywhere, total of 6 months or so, probably in Zone 8 or 9).

I didn't think this "trip of a lifetime" would ever be affordable because of the cost of airfare, but with this OneWorld Explorer Awards, it seems totally feasible (and kind of unbelievable). $20-30k in airfare reduced to mere pennies in fuel surcharges and credit card annual fees.

Before I dive headlong in mile chasing, I want your advice. Am I missing something? Are there hidden fees that I should be looking out for? Also, is there any other program I should look into for a trip like this or is OneWorld Explorer Awards undoubtably the way to go?

Thanks a ton for your great advice.

Regards,
Zach

I am in the same boat as Zach, but I am concerned that the US Airways/AA merger will mess up the oneworld explorer awards, do you see this happening Lucky?

Hi Lucky,

I am not familiar with One World partners and would very much appreciate your help. Do you have any suggestions for routing without going through LHR if flying out of SFO to go to MAD, BCN and FLR (about 3 nights each) to keep to zone 5 under 14,000 miles. Do you think there would be availability departing as early as March 15 or as late as March 21 or 22nd? I'm looking at SFO-JFK-MAD-BCN-FLR-FRA-JFK-SFO which is about 13,861 but wondering if there's a better route? Also would appreciate if you can share the best flights, for example from SFO-JFK, best flight seems to be flight AA16 or AA18 on the 32B aircraft but have not had a chance to see how the flight time plays out for the next leg without an overnight in NY. Looking to cram a much needed vacation(10-15 days) in and be back by April 3. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks!

@ Zach -- Nope, you're not missing anything, it's an amazing award. I think the question after the merger is whether they'll continue to offer it, and if they do, whether they'll devalue the award at some point. No way to know that, unfortunately, but it's a great deal as of now with very few "strings" attached.

@ Brian -- It's anyone's guess, really. While these are an amazing value, my guess is that they represent a TINY percentage of AAdvantage award redemptions (I'd be surprised if they represented even 0.1% of redemptions). This could mean a couple of things:
1) They won't devalue them, since they're not used much.
2) They'll just eliminate them, since there's a cost to maintaining the option in terms of training agents, etc.

Certainly hope it's not the latter...

@ sf94107 -- Sounds like you're on the right general track. There's not a OneWorld airline flying nonstop from Frankfurt to New York, but other than that looks good to me. Transatlantic you'll want to focus on Iberia or Air Berlin, both of which have fairly good availability and won't cost a thousand dollars in fuel surcharges to book.

Good luck!

Is there a Good resource out there to calculate miles between cities for this? besides google 🙂

@ Bryan -- Lucky and most other people use Great Circle Mapper.

@ Bryan -- As Ivan notes, I use gcmap.com. Let me know if you have any other questions!

I have a question about the stopover rules. Is it permissible to stopover in the origin city? For example, if we call the origin city A, could I fly A-B-C-A-D-E-A?

@ Sean -- You can't have a stopover at the origin city.

Thanks Ben. What if I wanted to connect (but not stopover) through the origin city? Is that allowed?

It is possible to upgrade the class later on from economy to business if the entire ticket is booked as business?

@ E -- I believe so, though not something I have firsthand experience with.

So I guess the best solution is to just book a random date with business and change the dates later?

dps-hkg route specifically, can't imagine that one being too stingy on space?

@ E -- That route can be a toughie, but generally yes your best bet is to book another date and switch it later.

Danke

Lucky, I see that in the answer to a comment above you said connecting through the departure city is allowed. I just tried to build such a connection into an explorer itinerary I'm working on, but the agent said neither stopovers nor connections in the departure city are allowed. Is she definitely wrong about connections? Or is this a case of YMMV/some people have managed connections by finding a less strict agent?

@ Jack -- Sorry for any confusion, I don't believe you can connect or stopover in the origin city.

Hi Ben -

I know we're required to use two carriers, other than AA. Now that JJ has joined oneworld, would it be considered a separate carrier from LA, or would they both be considered one carrier for the purpose of this award.

Thanks,
Tom

@ Tom -- Can't guarantee it, but my guess is that they would still be considered separate carriers.

Thanks for the detailed post. This was super helpful for me booking my OneWorld Explorer flight. I've shared a few additional details that I learned along the way here:

http://oneworldtwoexplorers.com/2014/04/06/oneworld-explorer-awards-traveling-the-world-for-under-250-usd/

So this is dead now right? If so, that's a real bummer because I just took out 2 credit cards to bump me up into a different Distance Zone. I guess you win some you lose some.

@ Zach -- Yep, it's dead.

Lucky, have you ever had luck petitioning airline changes? I would like to ask American Airlines, "Will you please bring back OneWorld Explorer Awards for a few months so your loyal AAdvantage members can book the trips they have been saving miles for for so long? This was taken away with no advanced notice. If it truly was cancelled because so few people use it, it shouldn't be that big of a deal to open it back up for a few months so that us who did not receive notice can book these trips?"

Have you considered editing a bit of text into the beginning of posts like this saying that the thing is dead? Save people some trouble when they wander in here from elsewhere.