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American Boeing 777-300ER Retrofits: Fancy New Cabins Coming, At A Cost

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American Airlines recently rolled out a new passenger experience on its long haul flights, particularly with the introduction of its Flagship Suite business class, as well as its front-row Flagship Suite Preferred. While this product is finally being offered on newly delivered Boeing 787-9s that are assigned certain routes, we’re also going to see some…

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(@Harold)
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Wow 70 biz seats? How PREMIUM!!!!


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 YZ
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Only three lavatories for premium economy and economy, in total 260 seats? That sounds quite uncomfortable.


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 Lee
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This does represent *another* three-month delay. And, the XLR transition will be completed when?


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(@JamesW)
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One toilet for every 87 MC passengers? And they fly this plane on their longest longhaul routes?

I can think of someone else who's going to hate this new configuration: Anyone with a bladder.


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Diamond
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What is the usual phrase from the proletariat ….

“Lipstick in the pig”, perhaps?


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Diamond
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American could keep first class until the last 3-4 planes. Just keep reducing the routes it flies it on until it is down to something like JFK-LHR or another profitable route that has FC-type lounges.


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 1990
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And, since you so often 'go there,' the word for you is... class traitor or 'scab'...


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 1990
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Expect 1 drink service, and 'you'll like it.'


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 1990
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Or, just open up Chelsea lounge to OW Emerald Business Class passengers, too. It's not that much better than Soho (slightly better meals, drinks); otherwise, it doesn't even have a view.


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(@Adam L)
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Ben, any idea how this configuration compares to other international airlines? The lav situation seems dire at best. I certainly wouldn't be jumping to get on one of these reconfigured birds.


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 1990
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Begone haters, I actually think the AA Flagship Suite upgrades are great for business class passengers. If American can pull this off, actually update and create consistency across 777, 787, and a321XLR, etc. then they'll 'win' more of my business outta NYC. Delta's aging and inconsistent 763, a332, etc. is just not '2025 and beyond'... likewise, UA's 772 domestic 2-4-2 rear-facing transcon is sad; those 757 with 2-2 old lie-flat are clearly better than recliners, but so freaking old. jetBlue Mint (older with 'throne' seat, and newer TATL, some JFK-LAX are excellent and similar to this new Flagship Suite concept).


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 1990
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As I've said before, it'd sure be nice if AA actually installed IFE on their narrowbody fleet; 737 and a321 BYOD with paid-WiFi is not the same. Delta and B6 are doing far better in that comparable. UA's a mixed bag, but their new Max interiors with IFE are better.


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 9C
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entertainment via your own device on a 737/a321 doesn't require you to pay for the wifi. it also works almost flawlessly. the whole argument for domestic IFE is old and dated. just use your phone or ipad for 3 hours and complain about things that actually matter like the lack of upgrades


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(@justindev)
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So they have new seats with doors and individual air nozzles. Any information on upgrade of meals? A refresh of their entire premium product?


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 Evan
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My guess is it will feel "less" premium. The seat will be nice, but I'll bet the service level will decline because AA won't staff the cabin with sufficient number of cabin crew.


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(@LovetoFly)
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I'm also sure the passengers who eventually will be seated in 19D and 19H will LOVE how PREMIUM 70 business class seats feel while they listen to people go in and out the lav all flight. And let's not talk about the smell that will eventually escape from those lavs. They for sure will get a premium nostril experience.

American could have gone with 68 business class seats and put a small galley where seats 19D/H are located and used that galley to serve premium economy. Or they could have placed two more lavs where those seats are at for premium economy and economy passengers, instead they are placing 2 business class seats.

This aircraft looks like a disaster but you're right HOW PREMIUM LOL!!!! Great job American.


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(@Peter)
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They need to renegotiate the whole thing with BA at this point anyway. The AA flagship lounges are starting to look nicer than the joint premium lounges. Certainly Greenwich could use a refresh (although the 30 bottles of Piper H they just casually have laying out is a very nice feature...)


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(@Peter)
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The plane is a winner. Nice new seats. They even retained MCE (actually goes to 30 MCE from 28 - no issues with MCE going from 35" to 34" personally). Just hope AA properly staffs the plane (I'm sure they won't, but one can dream). Long live the 777-300ER.


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 1990
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Nah, 9C, the *lack* of IFE and free WiFi is a sign of cheap-ness, not a good thing.


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(@Jack Mehoff)
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Yes, let's see things through to completion ;-O


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 Mak
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I'm not sure that this is actually the first aircraft as there was a YouTube video posted last month of a Dallas based AA pilot ferrying a 777-300 to Hong Kong for an overhaul and spending the day in Hong Kong before flying home as a passenger on CX's new Dallas flight. Good work if you can get it.


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(@David)
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The end for Staff-Class, also known as International First Class.


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70 business class seats is a lot, but it is not the most on any plane. Singapore Airlines has 78 business class seats on the A380


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(@betterbub)
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If you ask airlines in Europe they can fit over 120 Y seats on some of their narrowbody planes 😉


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Diamond
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BA have 76 Club Suites on their 777s.


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Diamond
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SO NO NEW UPDATE! Except the plane is on its way to HKG for the first fitting.


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 JHS
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You are absolutely correct. Why rely on inconsistent airline content / connect-ability? BYOC (content).


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Diamond
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Be sure and take your dumps before the flight!


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 BZ
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Let's hope American does not serve spicy Indian food if they use this aircraft to New Delhi.


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(@Terence)
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BA (some) 773: F8 J76
NH (all long haul) 773: F8 J64/68


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(@Terry)
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Imagine when one of these toilets goes in-op on a 15-hour flight. I think this is boarding on inhumane.


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Diamond
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Begone propaganda swallowing organ grinders monkeys. Any monkey who believes that an American airline can elevate themselves to World Class status, is quite obviously suffering from nut stuffing constipation, yes?

One recommends syrup of figs to aid your verbal diarrhoea.


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Diamond
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What and to who are you yapping about


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(@Salty Daddy)
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Yeah yeah, whatever.

How about gutting those ancient America West A320s with some modern seating? Ya know, most of us don't get to fly long haul in F/J.


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 Eric
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There will be more business class seats for Mike redemptions and upgrades , but service will likely decline , because of number of business class seats vs FAs and galley. More like a trolley aisle service , if you are a drinker , you’ll see gaps between refills


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(@Frederik)
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I think the 777 is very underrated for window seats in coach and premium economy. It has quite straight up walls where the windows are similar to the superjumbo class planes. On longer flights this extra headroom and feeling of space makes it far less claustrophobic.


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lots of thoughts on lav to passenger ratio.

Delta A35k Passengers per lav: 34.8
Delta A330NEO Passengers per Lav: 35.1
AA new 77w Passengers per lav: 36.7
UA 764: 38.5 Passengers per lav
UA 772 (hawaii config): 45.5 Passengers per lav
UA 77W: 35 passengers per lav
UA 788: 40.5 pax per lav
UA 78X: 35.3 pax per lav

When you gotta go, you gotta go and pooping can make anyone concerned.

but I don't recall all this concern about lavs or current concern about UA 788s, Hawaii 772s, or 764... much less any other plane type for those concerned about that 36 pax per lav vs 35...

Perception and lack of informational awareness about what competitors are actually doing with consumers is often what hurts AA the most because they are AWFUL at marketing.
Half of this comment board seems very concerned about the new lav ratio but seems to have no idea that it's in line with most wide bodies or better


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Diamond
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nothing fancy in my measurements. just aerolopa hand counts if anyone wants to differ.


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They’re flying the same old planes out of JFK which is arguably where they need to focus more as there is actually competition for high yield premium pax vs Dfw metroplex.


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It took off today (8/13) for DFW, so your info may be dated.


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(@jonnyc)
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riiiiiight


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