As I wrote about some time ago, newly produced Airbus A350s feature dimmable windows, which is something that was previously only available on Boeing 787s. I’m not a fan of this feature on 787s, so I’ve been curious to see how the A350 dimmable windows compare. I finally had the chance to check them out,…
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Interesting! Great post. Just FYI your photo captions state 787 and maybe you mean A350?
Nice. Perfect to shutdown those inconsiderate dbags who love to keep the shades open, and sunlight in, on those long nonstop sunshine TPAC flights.
I was under the impression that Boeing was planning on releasing an updated version of the dimmable Windows on the 777x.
Guess that'll never happen...
Interesting! I appreciate the 787 lock mode because it prevents one annoying passenger from having a bright window when everyone else is trying to sleep, but I agree the controls could be better implemented.
Picture captions should state “A350 Air France.”
I couldn't get mine to work so I'm fairly confident the crew had locked them in dark mode the entire flight. I mean, it was a night flight, but seeing the lights coming into Paris would have been nice. I had to rely on the nose wheel and tail cameras for that.
There are no windows in the cargo hold--maybe that's where all the jerks that want the windows shut at all times belong. Just use the eyeshades you are given for free--they don't make you look anymore childish that the pajamas you have on.
I seriously wonder why Boeing and Airbus go to all the engineering trouble and manufacturing cost to put in windows anymore. Seems like the only thing everyone is interested in looking at is their phone--sad.
There seems to be a typo with images 2 to 5 from the top. They should say “Airbus A350 dimmable windows on Air France”, not “Boeing 787 dimmable windows on Air France”.
The real question is can the FAs override passenger controls and is there any indication that either of the two carriers you were on tried to lock out customer window controls.
The larger principle is that Airbus continues to improve its products and outperform Boeing products.
That has played out with the A320 vs B737 family, played out with the A330 vs. B767, and is now just beginning to play out w/ the A350 vs. B787 and 777X. It will take years to see how far this goes because Boeing has a large headstart w/ the B787 but the A350 is simply far more capable, slightly larger in comparable models, and more efficient.
Airbus is building A350s on-time other than supplier issues and expanding capacity. The growth of A350 sales in countries that have been fiercely loyal to Boeing is breathtaking.
And specific to US carriers, DL's use of the A350 will give it a huge advantage while UA has got to be seriously thinking about advancing the order for A350s that it keeps parking.
I've come around on these. I initially disliked them on 787's, mainly for not getting dark enough. However, on a recent ANA RTW trip on a mix of primarily 787's (NH) and 350's (TK), I found myself missing them. The regular/manual shades of the TK A350 was just too binary while the NH B787 was nice to have gradations so you could look outside without disrupting the rest of the cabin. The A350 improvement of showing the change is helpful versus having to guess.
On the lightest setting does the window have a blue tint? It seems that way from the pic 🙁
I just was on a transpacific flight in business class (overnight from Japan, midday arrival in the Midwest) and most passengers had the windows open for the first hour or two and then the last 2-3 hours.
I do like the ability to dim the window to select some light.
My beef is with FAs locking them out.
And I don't think any US carriers have external cameras and I sadly doubt that DL will turn them on when they get their latest A350s including the -1000. Sad.
My experiences on eastbound TATL 787s is that the AA FAs locked the electronic window shades "shut" throughout the night. We are in a time of peak of solar activity, with frequent active aurora borealis displays...but there was no way to enjoy seeing them. Bummer!
What sort of thought process would lead the Delta brain trust to not turn on the tail camera and pipe it to all the seats? I don't get not offering it, but I would not bet even a dollar that Delta would actually turn it on.
to AA and UA's demise, yes.
Unfortunately for UA, they have A350s on order and could have them by now but keep pushing their orders out - so they can fly 265 seat 787s while DL and most major global carriers are flying larger aircraft.
Why are new airliners moving to this? What problem is it solving? Even the A350 dimmable windows do not solve the issue of the window tinting updating too slowly. Seems like at best, the new dimmable windows replaced some disadvantages of window shades with an equal number of other disadvantages. At worst, it replaced them with *more* disadvantages.
Locking the windows at dark sounds sad. But how do you people deal with others asking you to close the blinds in general? I had this recently in BKK - DOH in the a380 from a lady on a middle seat. I wanted to enjoy the view and told her so but still dimmed one window. Later I would have loved to open it again but felt kinda bad. Any suggestions?
My guess is that Delta is paranoid that passengers might see something that they wouldn't want them to see.
Delta limits the functionality of the navigation tracking system below 10k feet.
A350-900s on other airlines have tail and underbody cameras so DL could have them now if they wanted.
Maybe their newest A350-900s will have them but I am not holding my breath.
Anytime I have flown 788, 789, 78K, And the windows were locked I simply asked the FA to unlock my window
Never had a problem
UA 789 78K
LAN 788
NAX 788, 789
The dimmable windows are perfectly fine yes we're nice if they were more quick
Let's get on-board cameras on to all wide bodies
I see that you were sitting on the shadow side of the plane. I have never had any problem with the 787 windows on the shadow side. It is the sun side of the plane that gets the heat and doesn't block the sun completely. Maybe you need to sit on that side of the plane and compare.
As another poster mentioned...it seems you were on the shaded side. On my JX TPE-LAX, I ended up being on the non-shaded side and a hue of light definitely comes in. And boy does it get warm too, just like the 787. Kinda disappointed at Airbus, tbh. I got the impression that they really nailed the window tint to eliminate that hue that comes in....but if anything, it matches the 787-9/10 window tint. boo!
I <3 you are a shades up person.
This is such a divisive thing in Delta forums.
All good until you fly on Turkish Airlines which loves to lock windows dark on all longhaul flights, even during the daytime, so they deprive you of almost all natural light you should get on that day and add a significant boost to your jetlag <3
And, as a plus, the window panel stays attached to the frame. Another reason why Airbus is better.
And what happens when they break, as all electronics eventually does? It's aasy and cheap to replace a mechanical shade. Replacing an electronic window might be kinda pricey, motivating airlines to let planes fly for a long time without fixing them. Which could be very uncomfortable for passengers.
Sounds to me like these gizmos are just as useful as replacing your car windshield with a camera and computer monitor.
yes, on required onboard cameras. not just for widebodies but for every jet.
Or else require US carriers to keep window shades open from takeoff to 10,000 feet and from cleared to land and below.
some of us are not interested in keeping our noises glued to a personal device while clueless about what goes on outside of a metal tube
My understanding is that they use this to make the sidewalls thinner. Thinner sidewalls means wider interior space within the same metal tube (this is how e.g. the 777X is getting 4 extra inches of cabin width within the same exterior tube as the 777).
Those manual shades take up space within sidewalls, especially as the windows get bigger (787 has larger windows than other Boeing aircraft). Using LED dimmers means you don't need space for the window shade to slide into.
I believe the Emirates CEO actually made this point, that in the future there would be no windows and everyone would just have an LCD screen where the window is. It makes a lot of sense: structurally much easier to make, lighter, stronger, and LCD screens are now hi def enough to give you a life like images.
He put his money where his mouth is with his newest first class where the middle suites have LCD "Windows" and most reviewers seem to like them.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation of clean sheet designs does this. But personally I'll always love having an actual window to look outside!
The new features of Airbus 350 are interesting . However, Boeing windows are always bigger and more beautiful .
Question: on the 787 these windows are standard, right? Meaning an airline couldn’t get shades if they wanted. But even on the new standard A350s, it’s still an option? Or are shades no longer offered at all?
probably makes it easier for flight staff to deal with locking the window shades open or closed when necessary.
Are there any airlines which allow personal choice over whether the windows or dimmed? So many recent flights the cabin crew control it and you’re then made to feel like you are inconveniencing everyone else if you request yours to be open even if its the middle of the day. I used to actively choose day flights for the view and to feel awake whilst travelling before a nights sleep but now it’s pointless as you may be plunged into darkness anyway.
3.5 weeks ago flew IST-PTY (13 hrs) on TK 789. Expected windows to be locked to pitch dark immediately after first meal service, but crew dimmed them (without locking) only 4+ hrs into the flight, and I continued to enjoy views 3+ hrs more, when crew eventually locked windows until the pre-sunset time. So its a lottery, like everything in TK.
To the best of my knowledge there is no standard of darkening the windows (shades or chemistry) during any part of the flight - night, day, takeoff, landing or cruise. Window shades must be open during takeoff/landing, and I assume this global rule is due to safety incidents, which I do not delve into.
Cabin crews worldwide abuse the dimmable windows feature, and always to the 'dark' side
since it's easier for them.
I think this is a clear case where a cool technological feature turns out to be misused.
I would gladly like to hear comments from Boeing/Airbus on this. I am sure the possibility of such an abuse was thought of.
And finally: Airlines that regularly force-darken the windows: Shame on You!
This dimmable feature is great in my opinion. It prevents the 1 or 2 morons that will choose to open their window shades when everyone is sleeping. Let me tell you, there is always a few inconsiderate idiots on every flight!
There's several 'problems' these e-windows solve.
For crew, the windows will automatically clear in a loss-of-power condition or by crew command. That means on a 'bad day' crew/pax can see within about 10 seconds if there any of the potential hazards the safety cards warn you about. No need for crew/pax to intervene in an emergency.
For airlines, they're actually also much more reliable. The mechanical shades do, in fact, get cracked/jammed/worn out rather easily. No moving parts to jam on the e-windows. Also, the e-window is glass, MUCH more resistant to scratches and UV damage than the plexiglass cabin interior window. (Think of how your phone screen resists scratches better than a soft piece of plastic.) So they should last much longer than the pull-down shades. For the comment mechanical shades being easier to replace...not so much. Both require the aircraft wall panel to be removed and interior components replaced.
For pax, not mentioned here, is you can set the window to intermediate states of dimming. Instead of touching the icon on the controller for full-clear or full-dark...tap the bar in the middle. You can select anything from "barely tinted" to "almost fully tinted". Choosing something in the middle allows you to enjoy the view without cooking/annoying your neighbors. HUGE pax advantage over a pull-down shade.
Crew can obviously lock shades open or closed via the CAP panel on the 787. But they can also adjust them so that passengers can have them "open", but to a maximum setting between 1 (fully open) or 5 (fully closed) I.e. The CAP can be set for shades to be adjusted by passenger to between level 3 to 5 which is the best of both worlds as it dims the cabin but still allows for good views from the window and gives back some control to the passenger. I don't believe it's widely practiced or known though.