Why Some Airlines Are Betting Billions On First Class

What's interesting to me is that AF's main competitors don't seem to be responding to the impressive AF class improvements at all. BA, LH and Swiss seem to be happy not to bother trying to compete. What am I missing as to why that's so?

@ Nikojas -- Well, Lufthansa and SWISS are introducing their new first class concepts, and British Airways also has a new first class on the way.

Bigger picture, there's no way they can compete directly with Air France for Paris traffic. Air France is going after price insensitive customers who want to fly nonstop to Paris, and who might otherwise consider flying private. No matter how good first class is on Lufthansa or SWISS, they're not going to be able to eat into that market share much, unless they're competing on price.

And then there is AA's desire to be a premium airline . . . without first class.

Echoing with Ben said, Air France charges up to twice as much for first class tickets that go beyond Paris than their European competitors do.

To see this in action, compare a round-trip first class ticket prices from Washington, DC to Johannesburg on the European carriers offering first class. Air France charges twice as much as Lufthansa or SWISS, and the Paris-Johannesburg legs are in business class on AF. Lufthansa, SWISS, and British Airways are happy having lower prices for first class products that are perfectly serviceable.

One fully endorses the comments of both Ben and TW. I can fly BA, LHR-JFK return, twice for less than one return AF La Premiere flight. Furthermore, only one scheduled flight per day between CDG-JFK, will be the New La Premiere cabin. Not forgetting the extra time and expense involved for me to travel between LHR and CDG.
All that said, I am awaiting news of the New La Premiere cabin on the CDG-SIN route as I would like to try and compare the experience with our usual carriers.

One is awaiting the publication of the 2025 SkyTrax survey to see which way AA goes …. one suspects down again if the comments posted herein are anything to go by.

Did you see the accompanying article about it (link below)? It's mentioned several times that there are occasionally people who book out the cabin for 1 person -- the point being to have it feel like a private plane without that level of "optics" as the article said. Now, who am I to criticize luxury travel, being a reader here. But that's absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/travel/how-airlines-are-trying-to-win-over-private-jet-passengers-9c3e28b9

That Air France new first class is ugly AF (pun intended), to think that it's been 7 years and no airline could topple Emirates' 777 game changer. Lufthansa and JAL are the only ones that comes close, except for the fact that it isn't floor to ceiling privacy like Emirates.

Very insightful analysis from Ben.
For BA, the big profit opportunity is J on LHR-JFK, and to an extent other LHR-USA routes.
The demise of Concorde means that some PAX who previously flew R eastbound supersonic and then BA F westbound subsonic no longer travel in BA F.

I've flown both the EK gamechanger and the new AF suite, and it's very hard to compare those tbh. They are completely different experiences and very much reflect their country of origin idea of luxury. EK is loud, absolutely over the top, lots of fun (but useless) gadgets, and flashy items like caviar and famous brand champagne. AF is about quiet luxury, lots of personal space, refinement and will probably stand the test of time better than EK. I loved both for very different reasons. Also the AF suite is quite stunning in person, much more than on pictures.

This is hard to believe, not because of the cost but that there almost never are 4 seats available close to departure time. I doubt people who do this are willing to book 6 months in advance.

Secondly, there probably are private options that are comparable in price to booking 4 F seats.

Long haul First Class just isn't worth it in the US. There's just no huge difference between business and first. Moreover, the very high end of the market is skipping the hassles of commercial travel for private jet travel. You're never going to have someone in Group 9 push you out of the way boarding a private jet.

We changed our travel policy recently to be more environmentally aware. At exec level we could fly private worldwide. Since Jan 1 this year, private is only for domestic US.

I have a fear of small planes and Air France so mostly fly commercial

Some airlines (e.g. Delta) has Delta One lie flat seats on trans-continenta US flights. What US carrier has "business" for domestic flights?

Quite Clem!

Someone summed up our last EK flight as being …. “loud, all fur coat and no knickers” …. and that was in relation to some of the passengers who obviously had money but were not typically F passengers, more at home in Y.
I look forward to the day when AF start their CDG-SIN route. Like you I find the New La Premiere suite quite stunning, even in the photographs.
A question for you if you please?
For my wife and I …. which seats would you recommend?
1 A + D
1 H + L
1 D + H
I would give it a punt to NY, but have no compelling reason to visit …. Again!

I actually hate Emirates lol, I call them as the iPhone of airlines, because their business class sucks

Eric, thank you for sharing the link, a great insight into the AF La Premiere ideology.

That explains why the design is not very private.. The expectation is that they book the entire cabin.

Agree with Ben.

Lufthansa/United doesn't really have many markets comparable to Paris in J/F or even London with price insensitive customers who simply have to go there nonstop and would otherwise fly private. Milan or Rome now that they bought ITA? Sure, I could see that albeit much more seasonally. Not really sure any of the hubs in Germany, Switzerland or Austria (or Brussels) is quite on that level in terms of demand though for a product like AF La Premiere although perfectly great places to go! JMO.

Is LP aimed at people who'd otherwise fly private, though? A couple flying from SFO to CDG in LP would pay about $53K for their return tickets. The charter rate for a Global 5500 or G500 is about $10500 per hour in the air, plus taxes, fuel surcharges, repositioning fees, airport charges, and so-on. Before you know it your charter fee has headed north of $250K for the return trip, and suddenly La Premiere is looking like a bargain. There are a lot of people who are willing and to pay for a product like LP, but will blanche when the real cost of flying private is put to them. They're lucrative, profitable customers nonetheless, and AF is right to pursue their business.

There is a *huge* misconception in this country about private jet travel. Mainly due to influencers and startup concepts that won't last.

There's a reason I have flown in DL F and AA 32b F domestically with some of the biggest names in entertainment and business. Private flying is freaking expensive.

The influencer set makes it seem like it's some attainable goal. Nah. An acquaintance of our family is an actual lawyer at a top firm in NYC (amazing that he never finds time to weigh in on this blog; I keep begging him) and he and his wife were gifted a private flight to Bali for their honeymoon. The gift was from his godfather, a finance guy you def know if you follow Wall Street.

That's the kind of money needed to jet yourself around the globe.

New La Premiere info:

Flight schedule (in local time):
Every day except Wednesday:
AF004: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 10:30am, arrives at New York-JFK at 12:40pm the same day;
AF001: leaves New York-JFK at 4:30pm, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 5:55am the following day.
Every Wednesday:
AF006: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 1:30pm, arrives at New York-JFK at 3:45pm the same day;
AF005: leaves New York-JFK at 6:30pm, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8:00am the following day.
In the coming weeks, Air France will operate a second daily frequency between Paris-Charles de Gaulle and New York-JFK, using another Boeing 777-300ER aircraft equipped with these brand-new travel cabins.
Gradually rolled out on a selection of Boeing 777-300ERs, the new La Première cabin will be made available on flights to Los Angeles, Singapore and Tokyo-Haneda during the 2025 summer season. Beginning in 2026, this product will be available to all La Première* destinations. In the future, Air France plans to deploy this new product on a greater number of aircraft and to more destinations.

I still do not understand why some people choose to fly US carriers knowing full well that international carries are far superior. Must be the lack of knowledge, uncertainty, or ability to try something new. That's good for the rest of us that know and can fly with airlines that treat us like humans.

Food Keven, all those foreign cuisine dishes with funny names and ….. no sliders! …. 🙂

Alternatively James, if two people are travelling together and they book: 1 A&E or 1 F&L, then with the centre curtain closed they have in effect a private cabin.

Isn't it just about market? Rich countries with a huge market have a place for it, and they take aventage of it, they know how to play the part, when you think of Air France or Emirates, they know how to stand out.