A Single New Credit Card Is Costing An Issuer Up To $300 Million In Profits This Quarter

A Single New Credit Card Is Costing An Issuer Up To $300 Million In Profits This Quarter

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Note: The bonus and annual fees listed in this article are accurate as of the original posting in 2016. Current information about the Sapphire Reserve can be found here.

The Chase Sapphire Reserve is arguably the hottest new credit card of 2016, and its popularity is costing Chase a lot in profits… at least in the short term. Per Bloomberg, the Sapphire Reserve has cost Chase $200-300 million in cardmember acquisition costs so far, which draws from their short term profits:

JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s new Sapphire Reserve credit card will reduce the bank’s profit by $200 million to $300 million in the fourth quarter, according to Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon.

“The card has been doing great” and was embraced by consumers before the bank did any marketing, Dimon said Tuesday at an investor conference in New York. “Now we have to account for acquisition cost in that business.”

Of course that’s to be expected, given that the card had a welcome bonus of 100,000 points, which can be redeemed for $1,500 worth of travel. Beyond that, the card offers a $300 travel credit, which helped offset the $450 annual fee at launch. So when you consider the $1,800 in rewards and the $450 annual fee, the per person acquisition cost is somewhere around $1,350. That’s huge.

Furthermore, JP Morgan’s chief executive said that they have been pleasantly surprised by the performance of the Sapphire Reserve, and that they plan on introducing more new cards soon. Per Reuters:

In the credit card wars being waged by banks, Dimon said JPMorgan plans to introduce more new cards after finding surprisingly strong demand for its Sapphire Reserve premium card this year. He did not say when the new cards will be offered, or how they might differ from the bank’s current product line.

While I doubt we’ll ever find out publicly, I’d be curious to know how much the Sapphire Reserve has cannibalized the business of the Chase Sapphire Preferred Card, which is one of the most lucrative mid-range credit cards. However, there’s not all that much value to having the Preferred if you also have the Reserve.

I can’t wait to see what else Chase comes up with!

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  1. D. Whitt Guest

    UPDATE :

    Make sure and speak with the Chase customer service about using the card to get double warranty on products. I called and spoke with the insurance rep and found out they WOULD NOT double the 2 year warranty on Costco electronics. They will double the one year warranty from the manufacturer only.
    I can get 7 years warranty on a expensive television thru Costco by using Citi Costco Visa for four...

    UPDATE :

    Make sure and speak with the Chase customer service about using the card to get double warranty on products. I called and spoke with the insurance rep and found out they WOULD NOT double the 2 year warranty on Costco electronics. They will double the one year warranty from the manufacturer only.
    I can get 7 years warranty on a expensive television thru Costco by using Citi Costco Visa for four years and purchasing extended three year warranty for $90.00.
    It also covers electrical surges, a very important clause in electronic insurance.

  2. Simon Diamond

    In case you're not a regular Squawk Box viewer. They interviewed Dimon the other week during the Davos Econ Forum. He does not seems to be backing down from high-cost customer incentives.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/cnbc-exclusive-cnbc-transcript-jpmorgan-chase-chairman-ceo-jamie-dimon-speaks-with-cnbc-from-the-world-economic-forum-in-davos-today.html

    Reverse is mentioned at the very end starting with Joe Kernen: "KERNEN: THANKS FOR THAT GREAT CREDIT CARD ANDREW LIKES."

    In case you're not a regular Squawk Box viewer. They interviewed Dimon the other week during the Davos Econ Forum. He does not seems to be backing down from high-cost customer incentives.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/cnbc-exclusive-cnbc-transcript-jpmorgan-chase-chairman-ceo-jamie-dimon-speaks-with-cnbc-from-the-world-economic-forum-in-davos-today.html

    Reverse is mentioned at the very end starting with Joe Kernen: "KERNEN: THANKS FOR THAT GREAT CREDIT CARD ANDREW LIKES."

  3. Jetagain Guest

    I just applied for this card yesterday--thanks to your website. I am flying my entire family to the east coast in June for a family reunion and these points will come in sooo handy (there are six of us + a baby). I have an upcoming trip to California that I haven't booked the ticket yet so--as soon as the card arrives--I will book it and apply this year's $300 travel credit to the ticket...

    I just applied for this card yesterday--thanks to your website. I am flying my entire family to the east coast in June for a family reunion and these points will come in sooo handy (there are six of us + a baby). I have an upcoming trip to California that I haven't booked the ticket yet so--as soon as the card arrives--I will book it and apply this year's $300 travel credit to the ticket price. The application process was sped up because of a comment on your site about upgrading my regular Chase Saphire card to Reserve status. I never would have thought to do that. I would have gone through the tedious application process and, perhaps, not received the card in time to get the 2016 travel credit for my California trip! In addition, I'm super excited to get access to many different airline's lounges--as promised on the card website. Thank you, Lucky!

  4. omnijeff Guest

    @Robert that is exactly what I want to know. As I mentioned in my earlier comment, even if I were approved today, I wouldn't get a December 2016 statement. So would I still get the 2016 and 2017 credits?

  5. D.E. Whitt Guest

    Boo Hoo and a rubber biscuit for Jamie Dimon at Chase.

    Chase might be paying more for each customer acquisition but there will be a large number of those that carry balances each month and thru the year and those accounts will balance the overall costs.

    Using credit cards for travel benefits is an intelligent thing to do for those that can and do pay their balances off each month. That is the...

    Boo Hoo and a rubber biscuit for Jamie Dimon at Chase.

    Chase might be paying more for each customer acquisition but there will be a large number of those that carry balances each month and thru the year and those accounts will balance the overall costs.

    Using credit cards for travel benefits is an intelligent thing to do for those that can and do pay their balances off each month. That is the known given in this field but the truth is there are those that overlook that significant fact to participate in something for immediate gratification at the sake of long term debt.

    It will be interesting to see how the major card issuers react with their rates when the Fed finally decides to raise a quarter point.

  6. Robert New Member

    If I apply for this card before year end will I get $300 and then another $300 in 2017?

  7. Albert Gorgoile Guest

    I love my CSR, but I have to say that AMEX kicked them hard in the teeth with 5x earning on airfare. I've shifted all my airfare spend to AMEX for that reason. Chase is already playing catch-up with the earning scheme on this card.

  8. Carol kelly Guest

    Is the card available to Australian residents ?

  9. Scudder Diamond

    @Ray, Your banker was really only dumbfounded that you dropped them for such a petty reason after they'de been raking you over the coles with their products prior to that with you not giving a damn.

  10. Barty Guest

    Anyone have any ideas as to when the current sign up bonus might change? Today marks the 2 year anmiversay of my 5th credit card open so i take it i need another month to apply for this!

  11. Jeff Guest

    Still over 5/24. Hoping the sign up bonus stays where it is for a few more months

  12. RakSiam Diamond

    Of course most people aren't cashing out their points for $1500 at this point in time. And there's no way to know for sure how many of the cardholders have maxed out the $300 travel credit. People who are in The Game and most people who follow this blog likely have, but not everyone. So you can speculate about the worst case scenario, but without seeing their books it's not possible to know how how much it's costing them.

  13. Ray Member

    I wonder what it cost them in lost business due to people like me that were willing to move from the Citi Prestige but were turned down for five hits on my credit in 24 months? Closed my Private Banking relationship and moved it to another bank. Had the pleasure of refinancing my home at lower rate and shorter term, moved my checking + savings plus 401k, as well as all other credit cards but...

    I wonder what it cost them in lost business due to people like me that were willing to move from the Citi Prestige but were turned down for five hits on my credit in 24 months? Closed my Private Banking relationship and moved it to another bank. Had the pleasure of refinancing my home at lower rate and shorter term, moved my checking + savings plus 401k, as well as all other credit cards but one. My Private Banker was dumbfounded when I explained why I was moving the accounts and she could do nothing to save the relationship.

  14. Anna Guest

    @omnijeff, you could purchase gift cards from airlines if you know you're going to be booking with those airlines in the near future.

  15. omnijeff Guest

    Is it a good move to apply for the CSR now? I'm sure I won't get a 2016 December statement so the $300 airline credit is gone for this year. What mental math should I be doing when deciding to apply now or wait?

  16. smoky Guest

    And how do Chase's hotel partners feel about how this places the hotel cards?

    I instinctively used my Ritz-Carlton card at a Ritz-carlton stay last week, but I'm sure many people would rather have three transferable airline miles rather than five R-C points. And how about five Fairmont or IHG points vs. three transferable miles?

  17. Robert Diamond

    Chase has found a sweet spot to entice people to pick up a card with a huge annual fee. For them it was worth a shot to attract people to a premium card offering, to try to grab some business that other, less beneficial, high annual fee cards had been demanding. Seems like they've done it, and with minimal advertising. Throw into the mix the 5/24 rule and the response must be completely surprising to...

    Chase has found a sweet spot to entice people to pick up a card with a huge annual fee. For them it was worth a shot to attract people to a premium card offering, to try to grab some business that other, less beneficial, high annual fee cards had been demanding. Seems like they've done it, and with minimal advertising. Throw into the mix the 5/24 rule and the response must be completely surprising to them.

    I agree with others, Reserve is worth holding onto for those that travel, otherwise CSP is the way to go. Certainly not worth keeping both of them though.

  18. Tommy Trash Gold

    Pretty sure Chase will be the lone issuer once SPG and Marriott are a single unified points currency.

  19. RCB Gold

    I'm absolutely keeping the card after the first year, assuming they don't downgrade any of the benefits. 3X points on travel and dining is perfect for me, and the PP lounge access, as well as Silver Car discount and National Car Rental upgrade with the primary insurance for car rentals are all insanely appealing to me.

    May not work for everyone, but for me it's the perfect card.

  20. Kris Guest

    The hype will die down once the sign up bonus dies down. Pretty simple economics here, if you can get a card with a $2,100 cash value for travel for $450/year, it is irrational to pass up on. I'm downgrading to CSP once I get my $300 travel credit next year.

  21. Andrew B OMAAT

    CSR seems to have really struck a chord with millennials in a way that cards specifically marketed toward them never have. I wonder if Chase or other issuers will be able to replicate that for other products.

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D. Whitt Guest

UPDATE : Make sure and speak with the Chase customer service about using the card to get double warranty on products. I called and spoke with the insurance rep and found out they WOULD NOT double the 2 year warranty on Costco electronics. They will double the one year warranty from the manufacturer only. I can get 7 years warranty on a expensive television thru Costco by using Citi Costco Visa for four years and purchasing extended three year warranty for $90.00. It also covers electrical surges, a very important clause in electronic insurance.

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Simon Diamond

In case you're not a regular Squawk Box viewer. They interviewed Dimon the other week during the Davos Econ Forum. He does not seems to be backing down from high-cost customer incentives. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/cnbc-exclusive-cnbc-transcript-jpmorgan-chase-chairman-ceo-jamie-dimon-speaks-with-cnbc-from-the-world-economic-forum-in-davos-today.html Reverse is mentioned at the very end starting with Joe Kernen: "KERNEN: THANKS FOR THAT GREAT CREDIT CARD ANDREW LIKES."

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Jetagain Guest

I just applied for this card yesterday--thanks to your website. I am flying my entire family to the east coast in June for a family reunion and these points will come in sooo handy (there are six of us + a baby). I have an upcoming trip to California that I haven't booked the ticket yet so--as soon as the card arrives--I will book it and apply this year's $300 travel credit to the ticket price. The application process was sped up because of a comment on your site about upgrading my regular Chase Saphire card to Reserve status. I never would have thought to do that. I would have gone through the tedious application process and, perhaps, not received the card in time to get the 2016 travel credit for my California trip! In addition, I'm super excited to get access to many different airline's lounges--as promised on the card website. Thank you, Lucky!

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