Audio: Pilot Calls ATC Incompetent, ATC Calls Pilot An Idiot

VASAviation has the audio of a heated exchange between a pilot and an air traffic controller in Argentina.

So, what happened? An Avianca Argentina ATR-72 and Austral Embraer 190 passed just a few hundred feet apart when flying in the airspace over Buenos Aires.

Now, I’d note that often there’s unnecessary media hype about planes not having proper separation, because planes may appear close. The reality is that in a vast majority of situations this is a non-issue, because the planes are separated by at least 1,000 feet, and that’s a normal procedure.

However, in this instance it sure seems like maybe things weren’t going as planned, or at least that’s what the pilot seems to think.

So while the communications are in Spanish, here’s what goes down after the two planes pass close to one another (roughly translated):

Pilot: “We had around 500 feet to 300 feet at some points of separation with that traffic that passed right above us from right to left.”
Air traffic controller: “Yes, that’s correct, sir. You are absolutely right. If you need to file a report, do it. It’s due to the congestion that we have in this sector and the job at the moment.”
Pilot: “Truth is that you are all incompetent. That’s the problem.”
Air traffic controller: “Yeah? Come tell me in person, huh? Please.”
Air traffic controller: “Idiot.”

Here’s a video with the audio and the visuals of how close the planes were:

As an aviation geek and fan of Jerry Springer, who knew that I could basically enjoy both at once?!

In all honesty, we don’t know if the air traffic controller was doing anything wrong here, though it sure seems like both the pilot and controller should have better maintained their composure.

(Featured image courtesy of Carlos Daniel Dobelli)

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Johannes Bols Guest

ATC would have been massacred had there been a mid-air collision. You can't whitewash the fatalities of those in the air and the possible ones on the ground. I simply cannot believe the hubris displayed here.

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Salvatore Guest

THE PILOTS SPEAKING ARE TWO DIFFERENT PILOTS. The pilot who said “We had around 500 feet to 300 feet at some points of separation with that traffic that passed right above us from right to left.” it's not the same as the pilot who said “Truth is that you are all incompetent. That’s the problem.” It's unclear whether they were the two pilots of the same aircraft or not.

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Kuzmychov Gennadii Guest

It is absolutely unreasonable risk of collision! The way of Captain’s answer in such manner looks caused not a first time of situation! Unfortunately, same situation of the traffic behavior very often in marine industry as well which I had experienced many time in some ports as a Marine Master. It is life of many people!

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Kevin Krohn Guest

Separation depends on class of airspace and flight rules (IFR or VFR). It’s possible that the other aircraft was VFR and had the Avianca in sight, and was maintaining their own visual separation. There aren’t enough details of the incident to determine if it was ATC’s fault.

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Tom Guest

Very Retired We do have enough info. The planes wrre 300 feet apart. That is an ATC failure UNLESS one of the pilots disobeyed ATC isntructions, and there is no evidence that they did

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