Another Perspective On The American Airlines Strollergate Incident

There’s another first-hand account of the events that led to the altercation between the flight attendant and the mother of twins onboard an American Airlines flight recently.

Previously, we really only had video of the aftermath of the situation which mostly consisted of a woman sobbing in the front of the cabin and a first class passenger trying to aggressively defend her. We didn’t know much about what went on to cause all of that.

Well, this version provides a good bit of detail about what went on at the back of the plane. “Eric” was a passenger seated toward the back of the plane. He shared what he observed with Gailen Lee David who posted it on his Facebook page. I think before we go any further, it’s worth pointing out that David is a former American Airlines flight attendant who was fired by the company. That may or may not influence what he posts, but it is worth noting.

Anyway, Matthew over at Live and Let’s Fly did a nice job of formatting “Eric’s” story to make it more readable so I’m going to share that version here.

I was on this flight directly across the isle from the woman filming the video. This is what I observed:

1.) woman gets on the plane pushing a car seat type stroller with one child in it, carrying a second child on her hip and dragging behind a very large folded stroller that was too big for the overhead bin or to go under a seat.

2.) the flight attendant shown in the video approached from the back of the plane and informed her in a calm manner that there was nowhere to store the stroller. The woman immediately escalated the situation and within about 30 seconds was screaming at him at the top of her lungs.

3.) the flight attendant evidently decided she was not fit to be on the flight (in my opinion the correct decision) and started to move her and her children towards the front of the plane.

4.) when they got to the from of the plane the woman decided she was not going any further. The flight attendant picked up the stroller and lifted it over his head to try and move past the woman. As he was doing this she pushed him and the stroller fell a bit and struck her in the face. She began crying loudly and dramatically. Shortly after this is where the video begins.

5.) The first class passenger then inserts himself into the drama with his faux chivalry but clearly has no idea what has transpired in the back of the plane since he was in a window seat in the first class section of the plane and could not have viewed the incident from his seat.

6.) after another 10 minutes or so the woman exits the plane only to be returned about 5 minutes later and taken to her seat. We wait another 30-40 minutes while various flight and ground crew come and go speaking to the woman. After about 40 minutes she deplanes again this time telling all of the passengers, who are now becoming vocal in support of the flight crew, that all she wanted was an apology from the flight attendant. Evidently that’s what the 40 minute delay was all about. Then we waited another 10 minutes for the ground crew to find and remove her luggage from the belly of the plane.

7.) the flight finally leaves and arrives in Dallas an hour or so late. American representatives are waiting at the gate to speak with the first class passenger who made the threats. What I heard was a very apologetic tone coming from two American employees, as if the airline had done something to upset the first class passenger.

8.) when I entered the bag claim area the first class passenger was right in front of me and as soon as he made it through the revolving door there was a camera crew waiting for him on the other side to interview him.

That’s about as factual of an account as I can provide and I realize there may be other parts of this story that I do not know about or did not witness.

From what I saw:

a.) if anyone from American should have been punished it should be the ground crew who somehow letting this woman on board with a full size stroller. The flight attendant was put in a horrible situation by a passenger that most passengers in my immediate area thought seemed unstable. She escalated the situation, not him.

b.) in my opinion, the first class passenger should have been removed. Had the flight been in progress he might very well have been arrested upon landing for threatening a crew member. Additionally, he could not have seen any of the back of the plane antics of the woman based on where he was seated.

c.) I agree the flight attendant may have reacted too harshly in responding to the threatening customer in first class, but his actions with the woman in question were professional throughout the ordeal. I am disappointed American has chosen to punish him.

My thoughts

I think this account of the story jibes reasonably well with what we had already heard. I can imagine that the flight attendant did approach her calmly as he should have. But then she escalated the situation, and he escalated it some more. And then the cameras started rolling, and here we are.

In my mind, there’s really no justification for a flight attendant to respond that way even if she did yell at him. And it seems like American agrees based on their statement.

I’ve flown on dozens and dozens of international flights with kids, and I simply cannot imagine this situation happening on an Asian or European airline. (Or really anywhere else.) Why are our US flight attendants so quick to escalate a situation? Certainly they don’t all do this — it’s really just a few bad apples — but it seems that these incidents happen with far greater frequency here than anywhere else in the world.

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Bottom line

I think this account helps shed some more light on what took place at the beginning of the strollergate incident. I can pretty easily imagine that the male flight attendant approached her calmly and that she responded by raising her voice at the flight attendant. Traveling with kids is tough. My wife, who is a very experienced traveler, has certainly raised her voice at a few flight attendants over the years who were trying to tell her how she needed to do something related to the kids. But you’re not going to help the situation by yelling back at her — I’ve learned that the hard way.

And no matter how right you think you may be, you’ll never win in the court of public opinion by yelling at a mother with a baby in her arms.

What do you make of this new bit of information?

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NY Nightingale Guest

I think I can see the incident from both sides having been in the passenger's shoes a time or two, and also having had a son who was employed by the airlines for many years. I know that the woman travelling alone with two babies was stressed and edgy, while the FA felt pressed to get the flight boarded and away from the gate. The entire "situation" could have been avoided by having the woman's strollers tagged and put in the hold at the door of the jet. If the passenger needed assistance with her infants when changing planes, a wheelchair or courtesy cart could have been arranged to transport her to her connecting flight. This would have eased things for her, the flight crew AND the rest of the passengers, getting them off the ground on time.

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Kent Guest

Hi Travis, You mention high tension. America is a competitive country, many high stressed, high paying jobs (some not so high paying but still stressful) for people. This includes the crew as well as the passengers. The tension in America just got alot higher the last two weeks whether many realize that or not. Love of what we do, passion and compassion can solve many of these situations. "That" is not in over supply in America at this time (it exists surely as we see stories, we experience it ourselves in our lives of goodness in people). We all have this wonderful compassion in our hearts. The competitive society does not persuade us to show it. But surely we have all observed it, we see it when people bring flowers to the point of incident to remember the fallen person, police or other. Some bring thoughts, some bring prayers. They are allowed, they are not encouraged. Let us encourage them. God Bless.

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Drukyulgoods New Member

I'm not going to wade into the whom did or should have done what to whom discussion here. This incident should be a signal to the industry that they have pushed the add-on revenues/restrictions for their customer base to the limit. Domestic customers are being pushed fairly hard nowadays by the big 4 with increasing add-on fees, reduced cabin space, and other restrictions in order to get from here to there. Couple this with the increasing security measures for rightful reasons. Many, including myself, at times arrived at the departure gate under great stress at zero fault to the carrier. I can't even imagine my mother's stress when myself and 3 siblings traveled years ago on a TWA Constellation to Europe. Yes, times were different way back then. Additionally, as many has cited, Alcohol consumption in the terminals is increasing exponentially over the past years which perhaps could be a 'release' of said travel stress. A week doesn't go bye where one hears of flight from wherever to wherever being diverted due to an unruly passenger who has way too many. Is there a connection? Who knows. All I know that most folks walking down the aisle nowadays are not happy. I see it daily. $0.02 deposited.

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Vernelle Guest

All I would like to address, is him saying the ground crew should be blamed for letting her on with the stroller in the first place. No wonder he was fired, because no ground crew for any airline controls what goes to the gate and does not get checked in. That's all done with the ticket agents and then the final say are the gate agents. All the ground crew does is deal with the items that are checked and it's at that time, they can decide if an item doesn't go with all the other items at the bottom of the plane... (Ground crew)

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Adrian Guest

I actually don't believe one bit of this so-called "eyewitness" account! There are way too many problems and I presume there will be a much different reaction from American Airlines if this is true. I think it might be a fabricated post from AA's union to defend the F/A. Truly American Airlines will not take that strong tone without the previous nightmare situation with United, and American Airlines might overreact a little bit, but their sincere apology makes this story stopped within 24 hours. The outrage is mellowed out after knowing that the F/A was suspended and the passenger made it back to Europe fine and in comfort. Plus what the male F/A did in front of the camera was indefensible even if this so-called "new" story is true or even if the mother pictures are ten times worst. You are in a customer service industry and American Airlines is a global airline and handling non-native English speakers is basically a daily thing. Plus the stroller situation is handled differently around the world and there is no global standard. Yes it is frustrating but you are in the customer service industry. You simply never CONFRONT a passenger in that manner. That interaction between the first class passenger and the male F/A is simply wrong. The plane is not a BAR. That male F/A should be let go or move to a position that does not need him to talk to a passenger directly. About throwing out the first class passenger, it is just obnoxious to suggest that and I know "the Point Guy" suggested it, which is nuts. Yes he confronted a F/A but is not a security threat. He is just standing up for his fellow passenger. The pilot was also standing there the whole time (but I still think that he could do more to defuse the situation) and if this first class passenger was a threat, he would have thrown him out. I support unions but the reaction from AA union is just nuts and when you need public sympathy, you won't get it.

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