In May 2025, United Airlines unveiled all-new cabins for long haul aircraft, a project that the airline is branding as United Elevate. While I’ve covered the details of the new cabins, there’s an exciting update — the first of these planes is expected to be delivered in the coming weeks, and an impressive number of these ultra-premium Dreamliners should join the fleet in the coming months.
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United’s Boeing 787-9s with 64 Polaris business class seats
United already has a massive fleet of 80 Boeing 787s, and the airline has an additional 140+ of these aircraft on order, which will be used for fleet renewal over the next decade or so. With United’s new 787-9 deliveries, the airline is introducing an uber-premium configuration, with just 222 seats. Specifically, these planes feature:
- 64 Polaris business class seats, spread across 16 rows, in a 1-2-1 configuration; eight of those are Polaris Studio seats, which are the front row “business class plus” product
- 35 Premium Plus premium economy seats, spread across five rows, in a 2-3-2 configuration
- 123 economy seats, spread across 15 rows, in a 3-3-3 configuration; 39 of those are Economy Plus extra legroom seats
For context on the layout, the area between the first and second set of doors features 32 business class seats, then the space between the second and third set of doors features 32 business class seats and 35 premium economy seats, and then the space between the third and fourth set of doors features 123 economy seats.
You can see the seat map below. You’ll notice something unique, which is a function of United selecting the Elevate Ascent product in business class. In the center section, the forward cabin has seats in a reverse herringbone configuration (with seats facing inward), while the rear cabin has seats in a herringbone configuration (with seats facing outward).
United’s current 787-9s are already among the most premium configured of any US airline, with 257 seats, including 48 business class seats, 21 premium economy seats, and 188 economy seats. In other words, this new configuration sees 16 extra business class seats, 14 extra premium economy seats, and 65 fewer economy seats.
United already has the largest long haul business class cabins of any US airline, on average, but this really takes it to the next level. These planes will presumably be pretty versatile, long term:
- On one end of the spectrum, the premium configuration allows for even more range, given the lower weight of the aircraft
- On the other end of the spectrum, some of these 787-9s are expected to eventually replace the premium 767-300ERs that United operates, to markets like London (LHR), where the range isn’t necessarily needed, but the premium demand is there
What to expect onboard United’s new premium Dreamliners
As I’ve covered in a separate post, not only are the carrier’s new Boeing 787-9s in a more premium configuration, but they also feature new seats, tip-to-tail.
The most exciting new product is the new United Polaris Studio seating, not only featuring much more spacious seats, but also an improved soft product, ranging from a caviar amuse bouche, to upgraded champagne, to additional amenities.
Then there are new United Polaris seats, featuring doors, and hugely upgraded tech, ranging from bluetooth audio, to more charging options, to high definition entertainment monitors.
The new Premium Plus also looks like a significant improvement, with privacy shields, and upgraded tech.
Lastly, in economy, we can expect larger entertainment monitors with bluetooth audio.
In terms of aircraft-wide tech, these 787-9s will also eventually feature Starlink Wi-Fi, making these among the first wide body aircraft for the carrier to feature the new high speed and complimentary connectivity. However, they might not immediately have Starlink, given that FAA certification for the service is still in progress for the 787-9.
United expects 20 Boeing 787-9 deliveries in 2026
This new premium layout is available on newly delivered Boeing 787-9s. What’s impressive is that United plans to take delivery of 20 of these aircraft in 2026. While we’ll see how this plays out, the plan is for the airline to add four in the first quarter, four in the second quarter, six in the third quarter, and six in the fourth quarter.
That’s a massive number of Dreamliners to add to the fleet, and United also claims that it’s the most wide body aircraft that any airline in the United States has taken delivery of in a year since 1988. So much for Delta growing more internationally than United! Of course let’s see how this actually plays out, because when you’re relying on Boeing aircraft for growth, well… good luck.
The first 787-9 with this new layout has the registration code N21102, and is expected to join the fleet in the coming weeks. Note that there had been reports that the first plane was being delivered today, as it’s due to fly from Charleston (CHS) to Washington (IAD) this evening. However, I’m told this isn’t actually a delivery flight, and instead, it’s part of standard pre-delivery test flights.
Once the plane is delivered and ready to go, the first two routes are expected to be from San Francisco (SFO) to Singapore (SIN) and London (LHR).
United expects to have roughly 30 of these aircraft in service by the end of 2027. Note that while some existing United planes will eventually be reconfigured with new cabins (the timeline is unclear), that doesn’t mean that they’ll get the same ultra premium layout, so expect them to be a bit higher density.
Bottom line
United is soon taking delivery of the most premium aircraft we’ve ever seen operated by a US carrier. United is configuring its new Boeing 787-9s with just 222 seats, including 64 Polaris business class seats.
So not only are these the least densely configured aircraft of any US airline, but they also feature United’s all-new cabins, including new Polaris seats, Starlink Wi-Fi (hopefully — the timeline there is tricky), and much more.
I look forward to these jets entering service! United expects to add 20 of these planes this year, so at least we’ll see these introduced pretty quickly. Now we just have to see if the cabins on these jets are fully certified.
What do you make of United’s new premium Boeing 787-9s?
Some of you need some offline therapy given your apparent obsession with making repeated rude comments about the same individual in so many different threads. Seek help. You're doing nothing to advance the conversation in meaningful ways.
Any idea what the FA allocation to biz will be? I’ve almost always regretted staying up for dinner on EWR-LHR on the 767. Depending on where I’m seated and how they decided to do the service flow, it takes way too long to be served and cleared for the quick overnight flight
I was wondering the same thing - this will be a lot of Polaris passengers to serve! We'll see . . .
JK-SFO
Why would you not just eat in the PL ahead of time?
How on this earth will Mee-Mah be able to serve 64 J class pax on an LHR flight?
She'll never get her break!
Doing a run to London on a High J 767 in a couple weeks. Might be the last time. Will miss it!
And only 41 passengers per lavatory in PP and Economy. I suppose that's progress!
The Pan Am 747SP designation 74L. Which was featured on Pacific routes and seasonally on European routes had a configuration of 47 F 100 C and 86 Y. Although not maybe as a luxury as todays C seats, It provided a nice ride with excellent service. I flew it occasionally on the pacific and frequently on the Atlantic. I cannot think of a larger number of premium seats in a configuration.
I was a PA F/A and we HATED the 74L. The flights were of course quite long, working F and C could be challenging but the biggest gripe was how dry the cabin air was. We were exhausted and had bad headaches by the time we arrived. The 741 and 742 where much kinder aircraft.
Do these seats have any padding?? Looks woefully insufficient for the 16-17 hour SFO-SIN winter flights.
After hour-14, no amount of padding really matters. Even I start to lose it after India around hour-16 on the 18+ hour JFK-SIN.
Do we have a timeframe for when the New York-LHR 767s will be fully replaced by these new premium 787s?
More LAX-HKG ?
Might just scare off DL before they even pretend to try it
with $1.5 billion more profits in the year, DL is in a far better position to sustain losses on LAX-HKG than UA is already sustaining.
DL isn't picking a wholesale fight with a competitor at one of its hubs that will weaken both players.
DL also increased frequencies on LAX-PVG. It is clear that DL is after being the largest int'l carrier - just as it is for domestic - at LAX. UA simply...
with $1.5 billion more profits in the year, DL is in a far better position to sustain losses on LAX-HKG than UA is already sustaining.
DL isn't picking a wholesale fight with a competitor at one of its hubs that will weaken both players.
DL also increased frequencies on LAX-PVG. It is clear that DL is after being the largest int'l carrier - just as it is for domestic - at LAX. UA simply does not get into pi89sing contests w/ DL because UA knows it cannot win. The same deep pockets strategy that UA wants to use to pick on everyone else backfires when playing w/ DL
This all makes a lot of sense.
United’s Polaris product is already one of the best in the industry. I’m very excited to see what’s next.
Lol. Not even close.
96% of the world population and 75-80% of the world economic output is outside of the US, and in those countries they generally all have better business class that the middling Polaris!
Really? I feel like cattle every time I'm in one. Soooo many business class seats; you almost never see a flight attendant. Not passing out water or anything. It feels like coach with lie flats.
Epic. Ideally, this means more competition in premium, and reasonable fares, or, at least, some PlusPoints clearing, for once!
Unfortunately I don’t think these are launching with Starlink. The antenna dome looks exactly like the other 787s and Starlink antennas are far less obtrusive. Sad!
Hope I’m wrong, but I fear we get the same 300kpbs trash at least for another year. Makes no sense.
the FAA has not issued an STC for Starlink on the 787
"The antenna dome looks exactly like the other 787s"
That photo is a stock photo of another UA 787.
Posted off this thread in error, but a photo of N21102 shows the old radome.
Was really hoping we’d see -9 STC by the time of this delivery, since the -8 has had it for a while. Oh well life goes on.
The FAA, which is who governs UA, has not issued an STC for any version of the 787 yet but Starlink hopes to get them approved this quarter.
Just because an STC has been issued doesn't mean the parts will be available for immediate retrofit.
I'm pretty sure that UA used to have 744s that had more business class seats than this configuration and AA's 77Ws will have 70 business class seats.
these planes are also supposed to fly SFO-SIN because 257 seats on a 787 is pushing it on a 17 hour flight which that route is many times per year.
As I’m sure you’re aware, SQ 21,22,23,24 is 18+ and uses the 359ULR with only J and PE. Regular Y would make passengers go insane.
Meanwhile, Delta flies a bunch of crappy 757s and 767s with wif that is free only when it is actually available and functional.
and UA ALSO flies crappy 757s and 767s that do not have Starlink.
And ANOTHER of UA's Pratt powered 777s just consumed an engine at PEK so that fleet is getting smaller and smaller.
and DL's 757s and 767s DO have working high speed WiFi and the 767s have it across the Atlantic and to S. America.
United doesn't have ANY widebodies with Starlink.
ZERO
none of which changes that UA's 787s...
and UA ALSO flies crappy 757s and 767s that do not have Starlink.
And ANOTHER of UA's Pratt powered 777s just consumed an engine at PEK so that fleet is getting smaller and smaller.
and DL's 757s and 767s DO have working high speed WiFi and the 767s have it across the Atlantic and to S. America.
United doesn't have ANY widebodies with Starlink.
ZERO
none of which changes that UA's 787s do not have as many premium seats as UA itself has had on other aircraft and AA's 777Ws will have more premium seats than UA's 787s
and the A350, as 1990 notes is the long range leader and even DL's 275 seat 350-900s can do 17.5 hour flights.
When DL can carry 50 more passengers on the 359 or 90 more passengers on the 350-1000 than UA can carry on the 789 at those same distances, then the UA 789 is not really cut out for ultra long range flying.
shall we keep going, Gene?
Sure, Tim. You can continue with your jealous rant as you wish.
I think we should all go easy on Tim. He can’t help it. He has a mental handicap. I think that I figured it all out. His condition is not linked to Delta. It’s related to feel relevant and important. He is so frustrated in life that he developed this condition in which he must convince himself that he is very successful and relevant. If you look close enough, he feels that DL’s success is...
I think we should all go easy on Tim. He can’t help it. He has a mental handicap. I think that I figured it all out. His condition is not linked to Delta. It’s related to feel relevant and important. He is so frustrated in life that he developed this condition in which he must convince himself that he is very successful and relevant. If you look close enough, he feels that DL’s success is linked to him. Only that would explain his obsession with who’s doing better than who. If UA or AA or any other airline were in the position that DL is today, he would have the same obsession that he has with DL, bit with that airline. So whenever someone mentions DL or the close second (UA), his condition kicks in and he can’t control it. But I still think that he can turn it around with medical treatment and finally live a happier proper successful life. Right now, being a laughing stock in a travel blog seems to be his definition of success. I really feel bad for him.
I made factual statements and the mentally handicapped are the ones that brought DL into the conversation.
The 787 is simply not as capable as the A350 and, as much as people love to talk about the premium demand that these 787 retrofits will accommodate, the reason is as much about giving the 787 "more legs" to fly deeper into SE Asia w/ fewer payload restrictions
See ? He can’t help it. Hope you can get better Tim !
Eduardo_br I came to the same conclusion some time ago. At this point it's clear he deserves more sympathy than criticism.
@Scudded I wholeheartedly agree. I really hope that he gets medical help. It must be sad to live like that.
Tim, like we were discussing over at VFTW in January, it's dire if UA is literally storing excess 772s in Victorville for spare P&W engine parts. They don't wanna lose FAA approval for overwater... If only Boeing was more reliable and could actually deliver new aircraft fast enough... I'd imagine UA would like to just ditch all their lingering 772s for the newer 787. But, the issue then would be that we wouldn't have the...
Tim, like we were discussing over at VFTW in January, it's dire if UA is literally storing excess 772s in Victorville for spare P&W engine parts. They don't wanna lose FAA approval for overwater... If only Boeing was more reliable and could actually deliver new aircraft fast enough... I'd imagine UA would like to just ditch all their lingering 772s for the newer 787. But, the issue then would be that we wouldn't have the 2-4-2 rear-facing 'Polaris' to rag on. Uh oh!
Tim was an Information Technologies Analyst at Delta Airlines for over 30 years. He took an early out in December 1994.
Steve— I guess that puts him at an age where cognitive decline becomes a real concern. Poor thing.
That explains a lot. Age is certainly a factor. I wonder if his termination with Delta has played a major role in developing his condition.
No promotion in 30 years? Yikes what an under performer. No wonder he rages all day long typing with his tiny hands.
no, I am the mayor of a Georgia city.
You all work so hard and still it oh so very wrong.
None of which changes that you work overtime trying to discredit someone that tells you the truth - which in this case is that the 787 cannot match the range of either version of the A350 and UA, which desperately wants to be THE ultra long haul airline has to pull dozens of seats...
no, I am the mayor of a Georgia city.
You all work so hard and still it oh so very wrong.
None of which changes that you work overtime trying to discredit someone that tells you the truth - which in this case is that the 787 cannot match the range of either version of the A350 and UA, which desperately wants to be THE ultra long haul airline has to pull dozens of seats off the 787 in order to try to get the range of the 787. The 787 CAN do 17.5 hour flights like the the A350 but will have far worse economics because of carrying 50 less passengers compared to the 359 or 90 less compared to the 35K
So Tim, you think United didn't do the same math you're trying to do and just decided to be less efficient for the fun of it? You're posting on an online forum they made a $43B fleet order around the 787 and you don't think they worked out that it had less range than an A350? And pretty simple, if the routes aren't economical for it, then they won't fly it
Andy,
I am sure that United DID do the math. The problem is that they already committed to the 787 so there is a significant cost to adding Airbus widebodies as well.
It is very possible that UA has decided that it simply does not make economic sense to add the A350 just to chase another hour of flight time and 50 to 90 more passengers.
In contrast, DL got engine maintenance deals...
Andy,
I am sure that United DID do the math. The problem is that they already committed to the 787 so there is a significant cost to adding Airbus widebodies as well.
It is very possible that UA has decided that it simply does not make economic sense to add the A350 just to chase another hour of flight time and 50 to 90 more passengers.
In contrast, DL got engine maintenance deals out of both GE and Rolls Royce which significantly change the calculations about operating 2 Airbus and 1 Boeing new generation widebody types (and actually 4 models given that the A350-900 and -1000 are two models).
None of that changes the fact that the A350 is simply a more capable and larger widebody not unlike the A320NEO family is compared to the B737MAX family.
I get that you and others have their self-worth wrapped up in thinking that UA never could be at a disadvantage to anyone about anything but the chances are very high that DL went w/ the A350 because AA and UA had already committed to the B787; Airbus has done a great job of squeezing more range and performance out of the A350 and it is now a far more capable and larger aircraft than the B787 whether you can or will ever admit it or not.
It is beyond laughable - actually sick - that there are people that think I have an illness by understanding concepts that others don't even begin to understand or if they do understand, refuse to admit is true.
And these same people can't realize that the fastest way to get fewer responses from me is simply to let me post what I want and ignore it if they don't like it.
But like flies on honey, my comments are exactly what some people cannot walk away from - and their childish personal attacks is precisely why I will keep posting.
Incel Timmy D is the poster child for “self worth tied up in an airline”. Genuinely embarrassing for you.
no, I am here to post facts which you don't want to hear.
I didn't bring DL into the conversation. Someone else did.
and I brought in the A350 which DL happens to have but other posters accurately note that the A350 is simply a more capable aircraft than the B787
it is those of you whose self-esteem is wrapped up in UA that can't admit that UA will play second fiddle to someone else in ultra long haul flying - unless UA spends the bucks to buy the A350
Like DL gaining a permanent lead in NYC? Did you see the December passenger numbers? Ouch. Or the Riyadh 787 delivery positions? Bummer 2031. My favorite was the $5B/$1B in MRO rev/net income when they haven’t cracked $1B/$100m and won’t be doing any GEnx work even for their own post-2031 787s. Sorry, you deal in fantasy more than facts. Where did Nick go BTW?
If you, rebel, spent a little less time fixating about how to prove me wrong and a little more time working at your desk instead of under it at Willis Tower, you might be able to explain why UA made just 2/3 of the profit DL did in 2025 despite flying 10% more ASMs.
You and the rest of your UA devotee clan can't stand that someone points out the obvious disconnect between what UA...
If you, rebel, spent a little less time fixating about how to prove me wrong and a little more time working at your desk instead of under it at Willis Tower, you might be able to explain why UA made just 2/3 of the profit DL did in 2025 despite flying 10% more ASMs.
You and the rest of your UA devotee clan can't stand that someone points out the obvious disconnect between what UA says and what they actually accomplish.
as for NYC, tell us from that report how much B6, WN and NK are in DL's hubs and it should be perfectly obvious why DL is NOT adding a bunch of capacity.
Now tell us the reduction in absolute capacity by other carriers at EWR compared to LGA and JFK - and it should be obvious to anyone with a calculator and a brain that DL is benefitting from the failure of low cost carriers even though UA talks incessantly about killing the competition.
DL is run by people that are smart enough to know that when you are at the top of the heap, you don't misuse and abuse your market position to drive competitors out of the market.
But UA isn't run by people who are smart enough to realize that or people that can actually succeed in weakening competitors.
I am simply pointing out just a few of your many erroneous statements and predictions. It’s funny how averse you are to simply admitting you were completely wrong. Airline analyst? Not even close.
The theme which anyone that is remotely objective is that you are desperate to look for any reason to trash someone that speaks the truth that you don't want to hear or read so you focus on relatively minor items to the exclusion of big picture themes which are very much true.
We have discussed NYC many times but you - just like UA execs - treat discussing it as a petulant child while missing...
The theme which anyone that is remotely objective is that you are desperate to look for any reason to trash someone that speaks the truth that you don't want to hear or read so you focus on relatively minor items to the exclusion of big picture themes which are very much true.
We have discussed NYC many times but you - just like UA execs - treat discussing it as a petulant child while missing that DL has dethroned UA in two metrics - total number of flights and total domestic passengers and has significantly threatened UA's leadership in other metrics - including total passengers and total revenue.
DL has taken the leadership from UA in service to deep S. America from NYC, mirroring AA's service rather than UA's. and the real breakthrough in DL's ranking in NYC will be when DL adds service from E. and S. Asia to NYC. Given that DL is on the verge of displacing UA from LAX to Asia/Pacific, you are incapable of seeing that DL moves methodically and slowly while UA measures "results" by month metrics but can't challenge the underlying advantages that DL has - which is more revenue and more profits by flying less. UA is not the NYC subway; any airline can throw all kinds of capacity into their system but if they can't turn it into an advantage for what UA is supposed to do - the bottom line - then UA is focusing on the wrong metrics.
As for the 787 order, if you seriously fixate on delivery timelines while failing to see that DL announced the 787 order and then followed it with an Airbus widebody order, then I can't help you because you are more interested in flinging poo than actually having an intelligent discussion.
DL took the best offers from Boeing and Airbus and then ordered both to create a steady stream of new generation widebodies for at least a decade with as many options with defined delivery dates as firm orders.
DL is running an objectively better business and airline and you are simply incapable of admitting that so you shoot the messenger as if that really changes the reality which I and everyone else can see - but you are incapable of admitting from under your desk at Willis Tower
TD, "We have discussed NYC many times"
And your repeated statements that DL would permanently surpass UA in NYC were embarrassingly wrong. UA's 12% more passengers in NYC even surprised me.
TD, "Given that DL is on the verge of displacing UA from LAX to Asia/Pacific"
Sounds like your NYC prediction.
TD, "DL announced the 787 order and then followed it with an Airbus widebody order"
You have said repeatedly that "orders don't matter,"...
TD, "We have discussed NYC many times"
And your repeated statements that DL would permanently surpass UA in NYC were embarrassingly wrong. UA's 12% more passengers in NYC even surprised me.
TD, "Given that DL is on the verge of displacing UA from LAX to Asia/Pacific"
Sounds like your NYC prediction.
TD, "DL announced the 787 order and then followed it with an Airbus widebody order"
You have said repeatedly that "orders don't matter," but here are the orders and UA's come much sooner and faster.
UA: 1,077 aircraft, (230 WB), Orders: 185 WB/477 NB
DL: 987 aircraft, (180 WB), Orders: 85 WB/232 NB
TD, "someone that speaks the truth"
All evidence to the contrary.
and you, just like a petulant child, cannot grasp that neither DL or I work on your timeline of monthly wins and losses.
all the rest of your usual inability to grasp that companies have a responsibility to use the assets they are entrusted wiht by their shareholders.
UA has unquestionably failed to run its business and its airline better than DL - and you are simply incapable of admitting that
and, once...
and you, just like a petulant child, cannot grasp that neither DL or I work on your timeline of monthly wins and losses.
all the rest of your usual inability to grasp that companies have a responsibility to use the assets they are entrusted wiht by their shareholders.
UA has unquestionably failed to run its business and its airline better than DL - and you are simply incapable of admitting that
and, once again, the 787 just cannot do what the A350 can do.
and DL just dropped its 10K which shows that DL will get 8 35Ks in 2027 and 12 in 2028 to be followed by the Airbus widebody order and then the 787 order.
No one including me could have expected that DL would take the best offers from Airbus and Boeing and then Delta would take both but that is exactly they have done - and created a seamless stream of widebody deliveries that go well into the 2030s.
And unlike UA, DL doesn't have almost a dozen widebodies grounded because they can't get engine parts for them. DL has been and will continue to retire 767s and the older 330s in an orderly fashion while UA will hold onto every plane it can - whether they can fly them or not - and still fail to translate all of that into either top or bottom line results.
oh, and AirAsia has said they are cancelling their 330NEO order and want 220s. Surprisingly, or not, DL's 10K also shows that DL's 220 deliveries are being pushed out while DL is taking almost the same number of 330NEOs that AirAsia is ditching.
DL does so well with its fleet strategy because it works WITH other people instead of incessantly focusing solely on themselves; UA execs are incapable of coming up w/ win-win solutions with anyone.
You have ALWAYS proved you are nothing but a child w/ micro-sized hardware that is incapable of seeing, let alone grasping the big picture.
TD, "AirAsia has said they are cancelling their 330NEO order and want 220s. Surprisingly, or not, DL's 10K also shows that DL's 220 deliveries are being pushed out while DL is taking almost the same number of 330NEOs that AirAsia is ditching."
Wow! That's some wildly positive spin for more delayed 220s and some Riyadh-esque wishful thinking.
the contrast between the way DL and UA are run couldn't be more clear. UA is solely focused on me-me-me which is why it is so hard for you to admit that DL, by cooperating w/ others, comes out ahead
and the real issue is that can't admit that DL runs a better business and airline; given that DL flies 10% less ASMs and makes 50% more profits than UA, then your incessant narrative of...
the contrast between the way DL and UA are run couldn't be more clear. UA is solely focused on me-me-me which is why it is so hard for you to admit that DL, by cooperating w/ others, comes out ahead
and the real issue is that can't admit that DL runs a better business and airline; given that DL flies 10% less ASMs and makes 50% more profits than UA, then your incessant narrative of UA's superiority just doesn't hold water.
just walk away, child.
You are the loser trying to argue against reality which everyone else can see but you can't
Now that's a refreshingly accurate statement at least for 2025 unlike all your other nonsense. Congrats.
Only 4 WB and 44 NB deliveries next year compared to 20/100 of United. Yikes!
It's just a matter of time.
Yikes! is that you spend so much time trying to throw dirt because you can't answer the simple question is to why UA makes so much less than DL despite flying 10% more ASMs.
oh, and how many UA 777s are out of service because of Pratt engine problems today? Did they manage to get the latest one out of PEK after its engine melted down?
yes, it is a matter of time...
Yikes! is that you spend so much time trying to throw dirt because you can't answer the simple question is to why UA makes so much less than DL despite flying 10% more ASMs.
oh, and how many UA 777s are out of service because of Pratt engine problems today? Did they manage to get the latest one out of PEK after its engine melted down?
yes, it is a matter of time before UA's go-go-go strategy falls flat on its face in front of all of the airlines that UA thinks it is obligated to pick on
Not at all. I am just correcting a few of the myriad of absurd and erroneous assertions you make. I mean you are trying to connect A220 delays to AirAsia A330 cancellations because you know Delta is far behind on aircraft orders. It is just like your absurd Riyadh delivery position rumor. It is transparently pathetic. You have almost zero credibility.
you DESPERATELY want to shoot the messenger that consistently reminds you that UA makes just 2/3 of what DL makes even though UA flies 10% more ASMs - and pays its people less.
When you are ready to give it up, I will too. But not a minute before. Anyone that pathologically tries to find specks in someone else's eye while ignoring the log in your own has no credibility - but no one expects...
you DESPERATELY want to shoot the messenger that consistently reminds you that UA makes just 2/3 of what DL makes even though UA flies 10% more ASMs - and pays its people less.
When you are ready to give it up, I will too. But not a minute before. Anyone that pathologically tries to find specks in someone else's eye while ignoring the log in your own has no credibility - but no one expects you to ever be able to see it.
It is transparently pathetic that you do everything you can to avoid addressing the real headline which is how poorly UA competes by having to pick on weaker competitors - and how poorly UA uses the resources its shareholders have entrusted to it.
Admit reality and climb back into the daylight and out from under your desk in Willis Tower.
UA is a distant number 2 to DL as an airline and as a business.
United is hitting on all cylinders and their myriad of successful initiatives and customer service improvements are reaching a critical mass. DL is sitting on its laurels and rightfully maximizing profits. It is just a matter of time.
UA is flying 10% more ASMs but delivering 2/3 of the profit than DL even while paying its people less.
UA is picking fights w/ everyone except DL - with which it knows it cannot win a battle - while pushing for growth that cannot happen.
And specific to this article, AC just proved what everyone knows - the A350 is simply a larger and more capable aircraft.
UA has no choice but to fly...
UA is flying 10% more ASMs but delivering 2/3 of the profit than DL even while paying its people less.
UA is picking fights w/ everyone except DL - with which it knows it cannot win a battle - while pushing for growth that cannot happen.
And specific to this article, AC just proved what everyone knows - the A350 is simply a larger and more capable aircraft.
UA has no choice but to fly small 789s with too few seats to compete with DL or any global airline in order to fly 17+ hour flights.
Put down the Kirby koolaid long enough to realize that UA is running on an engine with bad magnetos for 3 of 4 cylinders
UA ahead in on-time, completion rate, NYC passengers in December by 12% and far better at recovering from irregular ops (IO). And that app, amazing! Hopefully, DL can figure out how to assign trips to pilots during IO and get interiors installed and approved. 2031? Yikes! Times, they are a changin.
Tim "Scooby Dooby Doo" Dunn just can't catch a break! First Delta not being in the top 10 business class products and now United launching a massive scale attack on Delta's positioning of themselves as "upmarket"!
As Ben notes, UA has long had more business class seats per aircraft- and yet they can't turn it into more revenue and profits.
How do you fly 10% more ASMs, pay your people less and still trail DL in both revenue and profits?
Maybe this article will become wildly popular after all.
thank you!
Delta just won’t the best business class sea in the U.S. another year in the row.. try harder if you’re going to troll.
‘Ruh roh’ Rod…
Run, roh, indeed, my fine feathered friend, for it seems Tim "Tom" "Scooby Dooby Doo" Deuce has officially "lost it"! Guy is truly on the edge of a "Nervous Breakdown" having been absolutely decimated all across OMAAT by many Smart and Very Loyal Individuals who know so much more than the "airline business" than some paid Delta shill will ever know!
oh Rod... if only he was getting paid to be this much of a laughingstock...
Indeed MaxPower, I’ve known him a long time, from the days of "WorldTraveler" on airliners.net. He’s a bad guy, with major character flaws. He’s also very weak and insecure, and will do and say anything for publicity. He was a staunch supporter of Continental/United and is now a supporter of Delta, but that’s only because I don’t reply to his many comments anymore - Just don’t have the time or inclination to do so. He...
Indeed MaxPower, I’ve known him a long time, from the days of "WorldTraveler" on airliners.net. He’s a bad guy, with major character flaws. He’s also very weak and insecure, and will do and say anything for publicity. He was a staunch supporter of Continental/United and is now a supporter of Delta, but that’s only because I don’t reply to his many comments anymore - Just don’t have the time or inclination to do so. He can never recover from the horrible statement he has made throughout the uears, but he is going to have to try, because what he says is totally unacceptable!
Rod, "He was a staunch supporter of Continental/United"
Yikes! I guess Eduardo_br is right.
Told ya. It was never about Delta. It’s about Tim himself. Even owners themselves don’t have such a pathological and irrational response to people mentioning their businesses. He seems to link DL’s profitability to himself. I can see UA taking DL’s place in a near future. If UA’s 777 with 8 across in C are still around by then, you’ll see Tim saying how great those seats are.
Correct, rebel - check "WorldTraveler" on airliners.net from 20 years ago (WorldTraveler is occasionally known as Tim Dunn, but best known as Tim "Tom" "MicroDeuce" "Henry Ford" "DinkMaster" Dumm. Eduardo_br is bang on!
Go on, Rod. Tell us more. What was "the horrible statement"? And, are all the "WorldTraveler" posts still up? *salivating*
Tim has been retired for over 15 years. It seems unlikely that he's being paid for his posts.
if you are thinking I was in IT, you are sorely mistaken, as usual.
and let's keep in mind that this whole line of responses is because some people can't accept that UA's larger business class cabins don't turn into more revenue than DL.
Let's note ONE MORE TIME.
UA flies 10% more ASMs than DL, gets less revenue and only 2/3 of the profits - and some people can't understand why THEY are...
if you are thinking I was in IT, you are sorely mistaken, as usual.
and let's keep in mind that this whole line of responses is because some people can't accept that UA's larger business class cabins don't turn into more revenue than DL.
Let's note ONE MORE TIME.
UA flies 10% more ASMs than DL, gets less revenue and only 2/3 of the profits - and some people can't understand why THEY are the ones that don't get it when I accurately note that UA is unable to turn its supposedly more premium product into better revenue and profits.
UA is a for-profit business, not the NYC subway that exists to move the most people.
It’s ok Tim ! We understand your condition now. We all are hoping that you get better ! I’m sorry for the harsh stuff I’ve written in the past, by then I had not realized that you had this condition. Feel better buddy !
I don't understand how AA managed to make the front row business plus seats and galley arrangements take up so much more space than United, especially when United's version looks better. AA could probably have something like 52 35 162, with 4 rows of real Main Cabin Extra behind a full 5 rows of Premium Economy before the third set of doors if it had arranged things similarly to United instead of the that strange mini cabin of 21 seats behind PE.
Yeah this LOPA is leaps and bounds better than AA's. I'm booked into the strange 21 seat mini cabin in April... it looks really bad, although I almost feel like I have to try it? UA LOPA on XLR looks much better than AA's as well.
Loving this MCE-expansion talk! Woohoo!
Why the herringbone center arrangement in the second cabin? Isn't that just worse than reverse herringbone?
I understand that herringbone arrangements can be made more dense, but that's not the case here.
@ Adam -- I think the idea is that herringbone seats are much better for couples and families traveling together, who want to be near one another. Reverse herringbone seats aren't ideal if you actually want to sit near someone, or communicate with someone else, during the flight.
I understand, but isn't it annoying to be facing away from them? I still prefer reverse herringbone seats, even when traveling as a couple.
(The old Polaris honeymoon seats are ideal in this respect.)
Couples like to sit together