A few days ago, American Airlines announced some new long haul international flights that will be launching in 2024. This is fairly exciting, given just how lackluster American’s long haul network is. We knew this announcement was coming, as the airline teased it a day prior.
I wanted to provide an update to note that the schedules for these routes have now been published, and these flights are bookable.
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American Airlines’ summer 2024 transatlantic expansion
American Airlines has revealed that it will add five new summer seasonal transatlantic routes in 2024:
- As of May 6, 2024, American will fly daily from Philadelphia (PHL) to Nice (NCE) using Boeing 787-9s
- As of June 5, 2024, American will fly daily from Philadelphia (PHL) to Naples (NAP) using Boeing 787-8s
- As of June 5, 2024, American will fly daily from Dallas (DFW) to Barcelona (BCN) using Boeing 777-200s
- As of June 5, 2024, American will fly daily from Chicago (ORD) to Venice (VCE) using Boeing 787-8s
- As of June 6, 2024, American will fly daily from Philadelphia (PHL) to Copenhagen (CPH) using Boeing 787-9s
If you’re curious about the logic for these routes, you can see the below interview with Brian Znotins, American’s VP of Network Planning.
Below I’ll go over the exact details of each of these routes. As mentioned above, these flights are now bookable (keep in mind American’s schedule only opens 331 days in advance).
American’s Philadelphia to Nice route
As of May 6, 2024, American Airlines will launch daily summer seasonal service from Philadelphia to Nice. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
AA746 Philadelphia to Nice departing 9:00PM arriving 11:00AM (+1 day)
AA747 Nice to Philadelphia departing 1:00PM arriving 4:35PM
The 4,085-mile flight is blocked at 8hr eastbound and 9hr35min westbound. American will use a Boeing 787-9 for this route. This represents a new destination for American, and this will be American’s only route to Nice.
American’s Philadelphia to Naples route
As of June 5, 2024, American Airlines will launch daily summer seasonal service from Philadelphia to Naples. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
AA780 Philadelphia to Naples departing 7:05PM arriving 10:00AM (+1 day)
AA781 Naples to Philadelphia departing 12:35PM arriving 4:45PM
The 4,495-mile flight is blocked at 8hr55min eastbound and 10hr10min westbound. American will use a Boeing 787-8 for this route. This represents a new destination for American, and this will be American’s only route to Naples.
American’s Dallas to Barcelona route
As of June 5, 2024, American Airlines will launch daily summer seasonal service from Dallas to Barcelona. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
AA192 Dallas to Barcelona departing 6:50PM arriving 11:15AM (+1 day)
AA193 Barcelona to Dallas departing 1:10PM arriving 5:00PM
The 5,195-mile flight is blocked at 9hr25min eastbound and 10hr50min westbound. American will use a Boeing 777-200 for this route. This represents an existing destination for American, and the airline also flies to Barcelona from Chicago, Miami, New York, and Philadelphia.
American’s Chicago to Venice route
As of June 5, 2024, American Airlines will launch daily summer seasonal service from Chicago to Venice. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
AA42 Chicago to Venice departing 8:20PM arriving 12:20PM (+1 day)
AA43 Venice to Chicago departing 2:50PM arriving 6:30PM
The 4,669-mile flight is blocked at 9hr eastbound and 10hr40min westbound. American will use a Boeing 787-8 for this route. This represents a route resumption for American, as American previously operated this route in 2019. Furthermore, American also flies to Venice out of Philadelphia.
American’s Philadelphia to Copenhagen route
As of June 6, 2024, American Airlines will launch daily summer seasonal service from Philadelphia to Copenhagen. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
AA744 Philadelphia to Copenhagen departing 9:10PM arriving 11:10AM (+1 day)
AA745 Copenhagen to Philadelphia departing 2:00PM arriving 4:40PM
The 3,948-mile flight is blocked at 8hr eastbound and 8hr40min westbound. American will use a Boeing 787-9 for this route. This represents a new destination for American, and this will be American’s only route to Copenhagen.
My take on American Airlines’ new routes
I’m happy to see American add somewhat interesting new international routes. With the exception of Latin America, American is by far the weakest of the “big three” US carriers when it comes to long haul international flying. The airline is so heavily focused on its domestic network, and the airline also currently has a shortage of long haul aircraft.
I constantly watch in amazement as United announces flights to all kinds of interesting destinations, while American adds very little. I’d say these new routes are by no means groundbreaking, though they’re better than nothing, and seem like safe bets.
American isn’t exactly doing anything unique here, and is really just catching up with competitors. Delta and United both fly seasonally to Nice, United flies seasonally to Naples, and Delta flies seasonally to Copenhagen. Something tells me we’re now going to see Delta add service to Naples, and see United add service to Copenhagen.
Bigger picture, American’s strategy just seems all over the place. While Philadelphia has long been a transatlantic gateway for American, the airline was recently focusing on New York. However, with the JetBlue Northeast Alliance having ended, the airline is now reversing course there.
Bottom line
American Airlines has revealed the details of its transatlantic expansion for the summer of 2024. The airline will add new routes from Philadelphia to Copenhagen, Naples, and Nice, which I’d consider to be pretty cool. American will also add service to Barcelona out of another gateway (Dallas), and will resume flights from Chicago to Venice. These new flights are now bookable.
What do you make of American’s new transatlantic flights?
Back in the 1990s and 2000s, AA had a wide array of European destinations from Chicago, including Glasgow, Stockholm, Frankfurt, Munich, and Zurich.
So, it bugs me that almost every new European destination is out of Philadelphia.
Meanwhile, United keeps adding European flights out of ORD, and there is a steady increase in flights to Europe from European carriers.
One can only hope that when the new Terminal 2 opens, for Star and Oneworld carriers,...
Back in the 1990s and 2000s, AA had a wide array of European destinations from Chicago, including Glasgow, Stockholm, Frankfurt, Munich, and Zurich.
So, it bugs me that almost every new European destination is out of Philadelphia.
Meanwhile, United keeps adding European flights out of ORD, and there is a steady increase in flights to Europe from European carriers.
One can only hope that when the new Terminal 2 opens, for Star and Oneworld carriers, AA will see fit to add more flights.
But, considering Chicago's track record with construction projects, whether at ORD or elsewhere, that won't happen any time soon.
Direct flights between NAP & PHL are bookable starting on June 7th 2024, pending government approval, not the June 5th date initially stated.
Expecting half of them to be cancelled before starting and the orher half within a year of the new service.
These are seasonal, summer flights for 2024… so they end within 4-5 months anyway. Will they be back in 2025? Who knows.
The flight times for PHL seem like a mess. Just these three flights alone all land within 10 mins of each other, and towards the later part of the afternoon. Going to be lots of long immigration lines, waits for bags, and tight connections.
The three flights land with 25 minutes of each other, not 10. Regardless, immigration at PHL can be interminably slow (unless you have GE), waits for luggage are always horrible (but better than MIA), and tight connections are the norm across AA hubs (CLT being much worse than PHL).
Routes loaded early.
Mmm......very surprised edinburgh (edi) isn't there amercan flew Philly >edinburgh said the route would be reintroduced once there new dreamliners arrived which they have...route used to be B757 and it was busy ...american actually said the route would be back ..edinburgh very busy with american tourist presently 4 united routes coming in and 3 delta ..possibly now 2025..
I don't think that will come back until the XLRs amaretto being delivered. Not a priority ATM, and bigger planes can be used elsewhere more profitably.
Do they ever think about going to South Africa
They can think about it as much as they'd like, but they can't actually GO there until either [1] the bilateral is renegotiated (plausible) or [2] Delta or United give up their rights (fat chance).
I think you should consider AA's partners. For example who would fly AA on the same route that Qatar flies if both options are available unless AA is disproportionately cheaper. On the other hand consider the OneWorld partners. If AA flew to markets that feeds into OneWorld connectivity this would be one thing. United and Delta do pretty well with that.
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8 more replies“I think you should consider AA's partners. For example who would fly AA on the same route […]”?
And what other airline flies from the U.S. to Nice, Naples, or Venice? And PHL-CPH? No one. Iberia flies DFW-BCN, I believe - but IB is not a whole lot better (if at all) than AA.
Do some research OCT. basically everything you wrote is wrong
@Max - what partner of AA flies direct to Nice, Naples, or Venice? Instead of flying AA, who would you fly?
@Max - who flies PHL-CPH? Most everything I wrote is correct. What partner of AA flies to Nice, Naples, or Venice - from the U.S.? None. The original post asked who would fly AA instead of a partner?
Not what you wrote.
Other US airlines fly to Nice, Naples and Venice. Hell, aa flies to Venice from other places.
But sure. No one else flies PHL-CPH if you need a win.
And Iberia certainly doesn’t fly to Barcelona from dfw, they fly to Madrid, their hub.
@Max - the original comment was comparing AA to its partners. I could care less about a win. I was responding to the original post. Bye.
So what if IB flies DFW-MAD instead of BCN. The original poster asked who would fly AA over a partner. My response was that IB is not a whole lot better, if at all. That was the point.
Yeah… again. Everything you wrote was wrong
Lots of US airlines fly to those places and Iberia certainly doesn’t fly dfw-bcn
Read what you wrote.
Have to agree with MAX on this one. I get the original comment, but you clearly said "what other US airline". Not "partners". Also, MAD and BCL are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and on the other side of the country. Definitely a weird few statements to "die on the hill" for OCT.....
Doubt that United will add to Copenhagen with SAS massive presence and SAS already feeding to United by flying to New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco
And IAD…the forgotten UA hub.
Cranky Flyer reported in the past that with the exception of the JFk-LHR route, AA lost money on its long haul international network. Could be the reason that AA has focused instead on its domestic network.
In terms of profitability, Southwest has done fine with only flying domestically or near abroad. Flying to Nice or Prague generates some excitment, but not sure how much it adds to profitability, especially outside of June/July/August.
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1 more replyBrian: “ Flying to Nice or Prague generates some excitment, but not sure how much it adds to profitability, especially outside of June/July/August.”
And these new routes are SUMMER routes. Did you read the post?
"In terms of profitability," these are summer routes for the airframes, which are otherwise used for countercyclical routes like SYD and AKL. As soon as mid-September hits, they're sent to heavy maintenance or redeployed in the Southern Hemisphere.
No more plans for Asian expansion?
Its funny reading the comments of the others about the availabilty or lack thereof of award space on these new routes.
You know, the airlines really are for-profit business. And they make that money of charging actual money for the product (transportation) that they provide from one point to another.
Just saying... LOL
People want to fly in J during peak summer season, without paying for it
Surprised at the lack of return of CLT-BCN
I uses to fly American more frequently when there were direct flights from Pittsburgh. However when it ceased to be a hub and everything jumped to Philly; it ceased to be worth the effot.
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1 more replyYou’ve been holding on to this grudge with US Airways for decades. Wow
Bring back Allegheny! LOL
I'm pleasantly surprised by Naples. Discovered the city for my first time in the last 2 years and it's fantastic...the FOOD, the local culture and laneways...and as a gateway/proximity to more famous places like the Amalfi Coast and Vesuvius (though they're both crazy touristy)...plus, as someone commented, being a major cruise port
Am I the only one here who is missing those iconic route maps that Lucky adds to his posts? I love seeing the lines from point to point on the map.
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2 more repliesDitto
Go to gcmap.com - that's where he's been generating those, and you can play with the mapping tool yourself as well.
Look what has been taken away without me even noticing. C’mon Lucky, bring them back!
Would of been a bit creative to fly miami to nice instead with the large French population and easy one stop access to Latin America. Especially since they pulled the Mia - Paris nonstop. Just to show you more overpaid executives that have no creativity.
Can we get a unique New York route? Europe, South America, Asia, Africa… anywhere? It’d be great if AA miles were worth hoarding for something other than a partner redemption.
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1 more replyI think if the destination was that "unique" it would mean the route is not serviced for a reason....that's not how network planning works.
They mean something niche but profitable like NY to Ponta Delgada that only United services or Delta with JFK to Accra
Darn I was expecting GVA. Agree with the comment that they miss the 757 but would rather say they miss the 321XLRs. Probably more destinations were considered using this plane and this is what they thought could work with the spare dreamliners they could find.
I'm curious if GVA will get TAT service from AA when they receive 321XLRs. Both United and Delta serve the route on antiquated metal (767s) but they do so...
Darn I was expecting GVA. Agree with the comment that they miss the 757 but would rather say they miss the 321XLRs. Probably more destinations were considered using this plane and this is what they thought could work with the spare dreamliners they could find.
I'm curious if GVA will get TAT service from AA when they receive 321XLRs. Both United and Delta serve the route on antiquated metal (767s) but they do so to tap premium heavy diplomatic traffic (to/from DC and NYC).
Only United has decent further connectivity out of EWR. I'm curious, when they do launch the route (now that Delta has broken the Star Alliance monopoly in this market they will want a share) if they'll launch from JFK for direct traffic or favor connecting traffic through PHL to compete with European carriers (with interesting tourism options during ski and summer season)
Very good news for my business travel needs, especially Nice which will save the commute back to CDG from the south of France.
Is it any coincidence that all these cities are cruise ship friendly?
Would you expect award space to be immediately available once the routes are open?
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3 more repliesProbably for 450,000 miles oneway in business class, yes :)
It’s an aa route announcement, dolphin, not delta. ;)
Sure, but who's naive enough to believe that essentially every Western longhaul airline won't be "Delta" sooner or later, in that regard?
They were just first to inflate their redemptions so ridiculously. They won't be the last.
I guess facts speak for themselves but enjoy your speculation
It will be interesting to see if AA can make CPH work long term.Other than that all these are very predictable
Don't get me wrong, this is awesome that AA is actually adding desirable international destinations, and I'm a Oneworld traveler, but... if they're going to charge 350-400k miles one way, or I can fly BA with a London connection on BA for 57.5k and a few hundred dollars, why would I fly AA? Prices on most AA metal flights to Europe are ridiculous right now.
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7 more repliesI completely agree Captain Ron and it makes it very frustrating when trying to book an award ticket!!
> it very frustrating when trying to book an award ticket!
You don't seem to understand. For the airlines, that is a feature, not a bug. They try very, very hard to make award tickets stunningly expensive (a million miles for that business class trip) or as miserable as they can make them (insane zigzag connections with multiple looooong stopovers in places you do not want to go, resulting in trips of 30-40 hours en route). Expect more of this.
With the fuel surcharges on BA tickets, you're better off saving the miles and buying a cash ticket honestly (perhaps on a cheaper airline like TP).
I haven’t had much luck finding good transatlantic cash fares on TP lately
Agreed, AA wants us all to spend on CC'S and do all of this partner stuff. Yet when we even attempt to redeem its insane. An EXP would need 4-5 YEARS of miles to earn 1 Trans-Atlantic trip in Business Class. No Thanks!
@BenjaminGuttery - stop being so dramatic. I’m not saying it is easy, but good value can be had at times. I just booked 2 PHL-LHR for 75K in J in January, and I’m returning to JFK in F for 90k. Granted, I could be flexible with my dates.
@Leigh - plenty of 57.5 to be found on BA for PHL-LHR. Perhaps not June 2024 for 4 people, but plenty. Use the full-month search option. Other hubs to LHR as well.
I've seen 60K return from CA to Europe redemption in economy but the fees are steep at $589. What were your fees @OCTinPHL
I've never seen BA with a 57.5 business redemption...or at least not in years.
There is also a cabin called Economy Class...just sayin'
Why American Airlines isn't flying to any at all in Africa ?????????????????
Because the only AA-dominant hub that has any real demand to a single gateway in Africa is Miami to Jo'burg, but AA cannot add service there without either a bilateral adjustment (maybe someday) or DL/UA pulling out and ceding the market (fat chance).
Wouldn't be shocked to someday see PHL get Morocco, but wouldn't hold breath.
DFW has limited and scattered demand throughout northern Africa, but such a fragmented demand is more effectively served by...
Because the only AA-dominant hub that has any real demand to a single gateway in Africa is Miami to Jo'burg, but AA cannot add service there without either a bilateral adjustment (maybe someday) or DL/UA pulling out and ceding the market (fat chance).
Wouldn't be shocked to someday see PHL get Morocco, but wouldn't hold breath.
DFW has limited and scattered demand throughout northern Africa, but such a fragmented demand is more effectively served by EK+QR+TK through their hubs, not to mention the Euro carriers at DFW.
CLT to Sub-Saharan Africa would be a joke, but a funny one to watch unfold. PHX isn't even worth mentioning in that regard.
FYI, AA flew DFW>BCN around 2005-2008
no, they did not. AA BCNDFW is an entirely new line in the carriers’ history.
AA has previously flown the following long haul from DFW (which are no longer served): MAN, ZRH, BRU, GIG, HKG, PEK, KIX, MUC, KEF, LIH, LIM, ORY, LGW, and TLV (never launched).
I used to fly AA quite a bit but given their lack of international network outside of Latin America, I shifted my allegiance to DL. Good to see them adding more international destinations, though wish they'd look at Asia more as a Chicago-based flyer. That said, I'm still not sure I'd fly them over JL, DL, KE, BR, or EY when going abroad. I'm stuck with them when I want a direct flight to southeastern...
I used to fly AA quite a bit but given their lack of international network outside of Latin America, I shifted my allegiance to DL. Good to see them adding more international destinations, though wish they'd look at Asia more as a Chicago-based flyer. That said, I'm still not sure I'd fly them over JL, DL, KE, BR, or EY when going abroad. I'm stuck with them when I want a direct flight to southeastern North Carolina for family, but otherwise, AA still underwhelms. Anyone fly AA recently, longhaul, with impressions to share?
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1 more replyI personally find AA's long-haul "flagship" business product substantially more comfortable, modern, and consistent than DL's on the DL aircraft I have flown (A339, A333, B767). All their planes (with the exception of the Concept D 787-8s, which are pretty meh) have comfortable, sufficiently spacious business seats, and most gateways (with the notable exception of PHL) have flagship lounges, which I find fairly pleasant. The issue I have with AA, as you said, is the...
I personally find AA's long-haul "flagship" business product substantially more comfortable, modern, and consistent than DL's on the DL aircraft I have flown (A339, A333, B767). All their planes (with the exception of the Concept D 787-8s, which are pretty meh) have comfortable, sufficiently spacious business seats, and most gateways (with the notable exception of PHL) have flagship lounges, which I find fairly pleasant. The issue I have with AA, as you said, is the network. Especially in Asia, they are weak and I end up flying partners frequently.
Thanks for this, W1ll.
I flew "Flagship" on a 777 LAX-HKG back in 2017 and did really enjoyed it - more than DL One on the planes you mention, for sure - those planes are pretty narrow for the seats they use; DL One on the A350 is quite nice, though for some it might feel low to the ground (at 6'3" tall, I am one of those people). The service on DL, however,...
Thanks for this, W1ll.
I flew "Flagship" on a 777 LAX-HKG back in 2017 and did really enjoyed it - more than DL One on the planes you mention, for sure - those planes are pretty narrow for the seats they use; DL One on the A350 is quite nice, though for some it might feel low to the ground (at 6'3" tall, I am one of those people). The service on DL, however, still feels way better than AA to me, which may be why I have stuck with them. Agreed, too, on the 787 - flew that NRT-ORD back in 2018 and said "never again" to it. I remember the Flagship lounge in LAX also being very nice.
These flights make lots of sense with the one interesting add of Copenhagen. Would have though American would have waited for the 321xlr to add that route.
Also, let’s talk about how American is actually building up charlotte with solid international flights including Dublin and Madrid!!
What happens on inaugural flights to Nice , Naples , and Copenhagen? Do they always have a ribbon cutting ceremony ? Water salute ? Or sometimes it’s just another flight no big deal. Who cares
Nice routes but nothing really groundbreaking, (no surprise given it’s AA though). The one I’m a bit surprised by is Copenhagen…not sure how much traffic coming from the US is terminating there (SAS is Star so no connecting traffic), or how many Danes would choose AA to go to the States over SAS.
I’m surprised they didn’t bring back Prague or Dubrovnik though. Does anyone know how these flights were performing pre Covid? I...
Nice routes but nothing really groundbreaking, (no surprise given it’s AA though). The one I’m a bit surprised by is Copenhagen…not sure how much traffic coming from the US is terminating there (SAS is Star so no connecting traffic), or how many Danes would choose AA to go to the States over SAS.
I’m surprised they didn’t bring back Prague or Dubrovnik though. Does anyone know how these flights were performing pre Covid? I thought they were pretty successful, but I could be wrong.
Oh and they’re really going all in on Barcelona!
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1 more replyBaltic cruise contracts for Copenhagen?
True, good point. I’m obviously not a cruiser. LOL
Really expected a new(/resumed) Prague route, having cities such as Venice/Naples/Nice seems a bit disappointing
I feel like American is missing the B757 right about now....
Excited about Copenhagen. I’m an AA flyer Based in Philly and like to visit Scandinavia. I wish the flight was to Helsinki to have better finnair connections, but I’ll take this. Copenhagen is a launch point for a lot of further north points, like Greenland or faroe islands
All of these cities have a common denominator. They are major cruise ports.
Venice banned most cruise ships during COVID, so now the major lines use “nearby” cities as their “Venice” ports. Trisete and Chioggia seem to be popular choices. I’m currently typing this on a ship in what this line calls “Venice (Ravenna)”. It’s been an interesting day to say the least!
Agreed w most but United doesn't need to fly to CPH - they have SAS.
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3 more repliesNot accurate. Though they’re in an alliance, UA and SK do not revenue share with SK- it does with Lh. So ua way prefers to have their pax fly them across the ocean than have them fly SK. Try to book a ua code on a nonstop ord-cph flight. You won’t find one. You’ll find us offering you a flight to Frankfurt with a connection to Lufthansa. UA does care. If they think the resources...
Not accurate. Though they’re in an alliance, UA and SK do not revenue share with SK- it does with Lh. So ua way prefers to have their pax fly them across the ocean than have them fly SK. Try to book a ua code on a nonstop ord-cph flight. You won’t find one. You’ll find us offering you a flight to Frankfurt with a connection to Lufthansa. UA does care. If they think the resources are worth it they’ll put on a nonstop.
If not, they’ll fly you to Frankfurt or Munich then connect you.
I've been saying for a long time that no, United doesn't care. That is not in United's DNA. You can see it in the way that FAs have historically treated passengers, the Dr. Dao incident, the reneging on lifetime club membership terms, and the super-tight 8-across 777 business-class configuration.
No, United doesn't care.
How United Flight attendants treat passengers what? The Dr.Yao incident happened on a regional aircraft. How stupid are you?
Correct, however you can still book with miles on the direct flight. I'm guessing it is way more lucrative for United to connect via Lufthansa than to add a direct flight to CPH with mediocre yields (SAS sells such cheap discounted economy fares these days) for connecting traffic.
They'll let SAS execute their low yield / lower cost strategy and stick to their established strategy.
Whatever became of the PHL Flagship lounge?
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1 more replyIt should be opening soon. ;)
FWIW, an AC bartender in PHL told me it's going to open.
Based out of PHL but rarely fly AA out of PHL. UA is way better even when it’s bit more to get to EWR
AA needs to make itself exciting firstfor any of these route to be exciting.
As I read this announcement, once thing that comes to mind for me is that Delta needs the new planes very soon. From JFK, Delta flights to Copenhagen and Venice are on the 763, which are not competitive with these AA 777 and 787.
Overall, decent adds. Though it does show a shift away from JFK focus for AA. Still I would consider redeeming from PHL if the price was right.
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3 more repliesAs an economy flyer, I much prefer the seating layouts on the 763 vs. the 777 and 787.
Nothing beats getting the aisle-window seats vs. taking my chances on a 3-4-3 layout.
The 767 was the most passenger friendly plane to ever fly in economy, and I hate to seem them disappear. The window/aisle seats were perfect for couples, even on long haul flights. My wife and I had many pleasurable fights in economy on Air New Zealand 767's across the Pacific back in the day. The 787 and 777 as currently configured are absolutely horrendous in economy (add in the A350 too)
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The 767 was the most passenger friendly plane to ever fly in economy, and I hate to seem them disappear. The window/aisle seats were perfect for couples, even on long haul flights. My wife and I had many pleasurable fights in economy on Air New Zealand 767's across the Pacific back in the day. The 787 and 777 as currently configured are absolutely horrendous in economy (add in the A350 too)
I have also started trying to plan any domestic flying on the A220 or Embraer 175 if possible. I have come to absolutely detest the 3x3 economy seating on the 737's and A320's.
First off, Delta has new planes, and more on the way- that’s easy to find out before commenting. And they’re deployed on their longest, most premium routes. What Anthony doesn’t understand is cost of ownership. Those 763’s are bought and paid for, they’re not required to make much to make a route profitable and cover its payments- unlike the 787’s AA is using.
Airlines love older planes to start new or leisure focused routes,...
First off, Delta has new planes, and more on the way- that’s easy to find out before commenting. And they’re deployed on their longest, most premium routes. What Anthony doesn’t understand is cost of ownership. Those 763’s are bought and paid for, they’re not required to make much to make a route profitable and cover its payments- unlike the 787’s AA is using.
Airlines love older planes to start new or leisure focused routes, because there’s little risk involved. Remember when AA did Dubrovnik on the 763, and was going to do Casablanca on an ancient 757? Low risk aircraft. United also still flies it’s old 757’s transatlantic. So AA better make sure those Dreamliners are FULL, and with high fares at that, to make these boutique destinations work. Time will tell.
the 763, which are not competitive with these AA 777 and 787
Why do people constantly make ridiculous statements like this?
The only way they'd be "not competitive" is if there was a performance issue that made them incapable of consistently covering the distance.
Dude, 99% of passengers have no idea what type of aircraft that they're on; and of the few that do, "aircraft type" ranks at the bottom of the list of...
the 763, which are not competitive with these AA 777 and 787
Why do people constantly make ridiculous statements like this?
The only way they'd be "not competitive" is if there was a performance issue that made them incapable of consistently covering the distance.
Dude, 99% of passengers have no idea what type of aircraft that they're on; and of the few that do, "aircraft type" ranks at the bottom of the list of purchase choice factors-- compared to price, schedule, operator, etc.
Yes please to United flying to Copenhagen. Preferably from Dulles because (a) there's capacity there, unlike Newark and (b) it's my home airport for long-haul purposes :)
@Ben - AA flies PHL-BCN as well.
It is an interesting series of additions. What makes you jealous of UA? Weird sentiment to feel for a corporation.
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Eric Guest
August 17, 2023, 10:25 am
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2 more repliesProbably because UA has a superior long-haul business class product? I'd agree with Ben's preference to fly United for long-haul routes.
It’s just an odd sensation- jealous of a corporation? He can fly United if he wants. Nothing is stopping him. If he doesn’t like AA then there are plenty of options on foreign airlines at Miami. I think AA J has comfortable enough seats. It’s just a very weird thing to say/ weird emotion to have about a soulless multinational corporation
It isn't really a difficult nor unusual concept....
He's not "jealous of a corporation," he just has a brand which he prefers, and wishes his preferred operator (AA) would offer some of the same options as another (UA).
slight correction: i think that PHL to CPH will be on a -9, not a -8, per the AA PR:
https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2023/More-for-2024-American-Airlines-adds-new-routes-and-destinations-to-see-the-world-next-summer-NET-RTS-08/default.aspx
The press release makes it look like some of the new routes are on 789s (i.e., CPH)!
@ Eric @ Rohan -- Thank you, fixed!