Southwest Plans To Have Nine Boarding Groups, End “Cattle Call”

Southwest Plans To Have Nine Boarding Groups, End “Cattle Call”

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We know that just about everything at Southwest Airlines is changing. In a bid to improve profitability, initially the airline was just going to introduce assigned and extra legroom seating.

But in the meantime, they’re just ripping off the band-aid, and have decided to be like everyone else. This includes charging for checked bags, introducing basic economy, adding restrictions on flight credits, and devaluing Rapid Rewards points, among other things.

With the airline moving from its open seating policy to its assigned seating policy, we also know that the boarding process will change, and Southwest will no longer have its unique “cattle call” boarding, as it’s often jokingly referred to. We now have some more details about what this will look like.

How Southwest plans to overhaul boarding process

Justin Jones, Southwest’s EVP of Operations, was on this week’s Airlines Confidential podcast, hosted by Scott McCartney (which is excellent, and worth listening to). During the podcast, he was asked about how Southwest plans to change its boarding process as it moves to assigned seating.

Even though Southwest hasn’t made a formal announcement about this yet, Jones answered that question in detail:

  • Southwest plans to introduce nine(!!!) different boarding groups, which is about as many boarding groups as you’ll find on any airline
  • Southwest executives believe that breaking up boarding into so many groups will help keep boarding orderly, so that smaller chunks of passengers can board at a time
  • While the exact breakdown of the boarding groups hasn’t been announced, the idea is that elite members, those in priority seats, and those who pay extra for priority boarding, will board first, and then the plane will generally board from back to front
  • Southwest will stop having people line up to board early (as is currently the case), both due to the number of boarding groups, and to create a more consistent and industry standard experience, since many airports have shared gate spaces

I don’t think there’s anything terribly surprising about these plans, perhaps other than the sheer volume of boarding groups. Personally, I think so many boarding groups does more harm than good, because people will crowd the gate no matter what, and this will create a bottleneck of people who aren’t yet eligible to board.

Southwest is introducing assigned seating

Southwest thinks assigned seating will reduce turn times

Southwest of course has a huge focus on efficiency and quick turn times, and the airline is actively trying to reduce turn times, in order to essentially grow its schedule without actually needing to have more planes.

So, how will the switch from the old boarding policy to the new boarding policy impact turn times? According to Jones, every scenario that the airline has run shows a reduction in boarding time of five to six minutes. In particular, Jones highlights two points:

  • Southwest is notorious for having a lot of pre-boarders in wheelchairs, and the airline believes the number of pre-boards will go down, when there’s no longer an incentive in terms of being able to pick your seat
  • Under the current system, some passengers board and walk to the back of the plane in hopes of finding a window or aisle seat, only to find there are none, and then walk “upstream” to try to sit further up

Jones admits that he’s concerned about the impact that Southwest’s new checked bag policy will have on turn times, since once Southwest charges for checked bags, odds are that there will be a lot more gate checked bags, which will complicate turns.

Still, I can’t help but point out how funny some quotes are from senior airline executives. Jones seems like an honest guy who is sharing his real opinion, and I think he’s probably right about assigned seating being more efficient.

But what’s funny is that for years, Southwest executives have insisted that a key benefit of open seating is that it makes turns quicker. I can’t count the number of times we’ve heard Southwest folks claim that. Now, suddenly, it’s the opposite — assigning seats will speed up the boarding process by five to six minutes.

It’s hardly the only area where Southwest has done an about-face. In September 2024, Southwest executives insisted that eliminating free checked bags wasn’t even under consideration. They claimed to have done the math, stating that they’d gain around $1-1.5 billion from charging for bags, but would lose $1.8 billion of market share.

Unsurprisingly, the airline has backtracked on that, with Southwest CEO (and at this point, Elliott puppet) Bob Jordan claiming “in contrast to our previous analysis, actual customer booking behavior through our new booking channels such as metasearch, did not show that we are getting the same benefit from our bundled offering with free bags, which has led us to update the assumptions.”

It’s funny how so many of these folks can make completely conflicting claims with such confidence, only to then claim they’ve come to a completely different conclusion, once it suits their narrative.

Southwest will overhaul its boarding process

Bottom line

When Southwest Airlines moves to assigned seating, the airline will also completely overhaul its boarding process. The airline plans to have nine different boarding groups, and no longer have passengers line up in advance.

The head of operations at the airline claims that this will speed up boarding by five to six minutes, quite a contrast to past claims by Southwest executives, who suggested the open seating policy contributed to faster boarding.

What do you make of Southwest’s boarding process updates?

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  1. Marlene Guest

    What made them unique and my go to, makes them just another airline. I use to fly exclusively with Southwest, now they will just become an option.

  2. Susan M Campbell Guest

    Well best ticket price will win now because SW is like all the rest.

  3. Joyce & Marty Quintanilla, Guest

    Why fix it if isn't broke??? I know the idea of not charging for check bags has been positive for more passengers. Please don't change the policy as you're only hurting customers and probably losing $$ with this crazy idea. This is the reason I fly SW.

  4. Paula DeBoer Guest

    Shopping for a new airline. If I have to pay for checked bags and can't choose where to sit when I get on the plane, I might as well go to any airline. Plus, now my rewards points don't count for anything? Shame on you Southwest. We've been flying with you for 20 years, but not anymore......

    1. Joyce & Marty Quintanilla, Guest

      I agree with Paula DeBoer, you'll loose many customers as I as one.

  5. Jeffery kriske Guest

    I won't Fly Southwest anymore because they suck especially now that they're not letting you have free check in bags

  6. David Guest

    This is really the "beginning of the end" for SW. I predict these moves will not be profitable and they will lose market share. The executives will take golden parachutes and leave the company (they are incentivized to destroy the company). Then SW will get acquired. The question is how long will it take...2 years? 4 years?

    Does anyone remember "Wall Street" movie and BlueStar Airlines?

  7. Robert W Guest

    I have found the line-up boarding on Southwest to be VASTLY MORE EFFICIENT than any other airline. People are polite, nice, get in order, and zip down the jetbridge - ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

    On AA and everyone else, groups 7, 8, 9 crowd the boarding area (mostly because these are infrequent fliers and this is their instinct) making it unpleasant to push past. Then within your group people crowd and it's just...

    I have found the line-up boarding on Southwest to be VASTLY MORE EFFICIENT than any other airline. People are polite, nice, get in order, and zip down the jetbridge - ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

    On AA and everyone else, groups 7, 8, 9 crowd the boarding area (mostly because these are infrequent fliers and this is their instinct) making it unpleasant to push past. Then within your group people crowd and it's just very unorganized. Somehow the groups seem very uneven with some groups creating a very long line through the boarding area.

    Southwest has the ABSOLUTELY BEST boarding method and it's a tax on me as a business passenger to have to put up with this crap. I'm A-list preferred (this year, certainly not in the future) so I'm sure I'll be group 1 or 2. But this effects me because it will lead to INEFFICIENCY and MORE DELAYS and adds to the overall bad mood many people have when flying.

    1. Rob Guest

      Came here to say the same thing. I'm not an elite, but the boarding process on Southwest just seems far more orderly and to take less time than on competitors. For example, when you're getting on a Delta flight in Atlanta and roughly 2/3 of the plane goes in whatever group consists of Delta elite members, it becomes a free for all as they all try to cram into line for the gate. THAT is...

      Came here to say the same thing. I'm not an elite, but the boarding process on Southwest just seems far more orderly and to take less time than on competitors. For example, when you're getting on a Delta flight in Atlanta and roughly 2/3 of the plane goes in whatever group consists of Delta elite members, it becomes a free for all as they all try to cram into line for the gate. THAT is a cattle call. On Southwest, I at least have the certainty of knowing when I get on, so there is absolutely no incentive to crowd the gate. I think they probably could have kept this system in place even with assigned seating and I am not looking forward to its implementation. In my anecdotal experience, Southwest boards consistently faster than competitors, at least in part due to this system (the rest is probably attributable to free checked bags, which reduced overhead crowding and gate-checking luggage). Seems like everyone else boards 737s at least 35 minutes before departure.

  8. Tracey Guest

    Southwest will be bankrupt within the next year or so with this change. Mark my words! Open seating and free bags set them apart from other airlines. I don't know where they got that these changes were what's best. Smh It's not thee most comfortable airline, it's definitely not the cheapest. But to be able to pick my seat and have 2 free bags made it all worth it. Also I know some people tried...

    Southwest will be bankrupt within the next year or so with this change. Mark my words! Open seating and free bags set them apart from other airlines. I don't know where they got that these changes were what's best. Smh It's not thee most comfortable airline, it's definitely not the cheapest. But to be able to pick my seat and have 2 free bags made it all worth it. Also I know some people tried to scam and be in a wheelchair to board first or get onboard with family members; but that was still a real privilege to have that. These changes are not going to be for the best and people will go to other airlines if they're going to have to pay for their bags and their seats

  9. Cary Guest

    9 boarding groups! That’s a cattle call. The old SW method is the only civil boarding process in the whole industry.

    1. Tracey Guest

      Totally agree! Crazy! Smh

  10. Dave Guest

    End the "cattle call?" Southwest is the opposite of cattle call today. Everyone lines up in order and calmly gets on. The big 3 are the cattle calls, where half the plane is in group 2 either by status or credit card, all jostling to get on first. Even with assigned seats.

    And the two reasons Jones said it will help boarding times are nonsense. Where I fly with them I don't see the...

    End the "cattle call?" Southwest is the opposite of cattle call today. Everyone lines up in order and calmly gets on. The big 3 are the cattle calls, where half the plane is in group 2 either by status or credit card, all jostling to get on first. Even with assigned seats.

    And the two reasons Jones said it will help boarding times are nonsense. Where I fly with them I don't see the wheelchair problem - there are maybe 2 or 3.

    I have flown hundreds of SW flights and have NEVER seen anyone trying to swim upstream at boarding. That will happen WAY more with assigned seats where the bin at your seat is full so you have to go to the back to stow and then back upstream to your seat. SW doesn't have that problem today, people with bags just keep walking until they find a bin with space. Plus when you charge for bags, more bags go carryon. What a moron.

    The next to go will be the Companion Pass. And me with it.

    1. Tracey Guest

      So true! Their boarding process actually runs quite smoothly with people just going to their seats. They don't take a lot of time. They get in line orderly and they like always. There's never been any problem. I don't know what kind of narrative they're trying to act like it is being to justify them making these changes but no one asked for this and they can sit there and say all day that this...

      So true! Their boarding process actually runs quite smoothly with people just going to their seats. They don't take a lot of time. They get in line orderly and they like always. There's never been any problem. I don't know what kind of narrative they're trying to act like it is being to justify them making these changes but no one asked for this and they can sit there and say all day that this is what their customers wanted. When? What survey was taken that was even asked of us? They're just trying to be greedy and cash hungry and the problem of it is what set them apart is now going to be so common and they're going to see no one is going to be jumping through hoops to fly on their airline.. it was never a cattle call.

  11. Holly Guest

    So what does this do to the disabled,or those who need special considerations in seating? How will they be accommodated now?

  12. Dave Guest

    My wife and I have flown SW for many years to Mexico and other parts of the country. I'm all for the assigned seating, especially when half a dozen or more passengers show up and conveniently need a wheel chair and bump everyone else to get priority seating and when they get to their destination they all of a sudden don't need that wheelchair (Miracle Flights). So now they'll have to pay more to get priority seating and not screw anyone else.

  13. Karen Guest

    I have been a faithful Southwest client. I am 73 years old and pay extra to board early. I stayed faithful because of the two bags for free and early boarding. I fly from Las Vegas to Philadelphia often and put up with the 3+ hours layover each way because of the perks. Now I will be looking for an airline that has nonstop flights, because I will be paying about the same amount without needing to hang out in a crowded stinky airport.

  14. jotlaptop Member

    As with online apps, Southwest shows the enshittification process; no longer any Unique Selling Proposition, just another airline.

  15. Rose Guest

    Don't like any of the changes! I've been a loyal a list and a list prefers customer for over a decade. Not sure I'm going to like this!

  16. Judy Guest

    The biggest pronlem SW has is the carry on luggage. It takes a great deal of time both coming in and going out of the plane. What I see coming in are A LOT of things that do not fit carry on sizes. Many folks who need wheelchairs on the way back wait for them forever and resort to having to try to walk slowly on their own.

  17. frrp Diamond

    Theyre gonna be in for a surprise when they find that everyone just crowds the gate waiting to be the first ones there when their group is called rather than queuing

    1. Dave Guest

      That will most likely happen. That's what security is for, if people get out of control.

  18. Linda Smith Guest

    My granddaughter & I only fly Southwest. I cannot walk so I have to be in a wheelchair.
    SW helps me on plane to my seat & helps me to a wheelchair when getting off plane. SW is wonderful. So I am wondering how that will affect me in the future w a wheelchair. When will I board, where will I sit??

    1. Dave Guest

      You will have to pay for seating. Nothing will be free anymore. And that's the way it should be.

  19. Patrick Guest

    Jetway Jesus! 30 wheelchairs board and upon disembarkation most are miraculously cured and walk right off the plane quite capably into the terminal! This happens much more on Southwest than any other airline.

    1. Icarus Guest

      Air India — or any flight to or from India. I’ve never seen so many wheelchairs

  20. roger m anderson Guest

    JAA (Just Another Airline) now. The fare structure is totally complicated. The lost free baggage is of course the biggie. And assigned seating for groups is going to suck, my opinion. I guess this will be the new JAA until a merger when all the execs take their money and run. Remember poor Continental, the Proud Bird with the Golden Tail? Proud until Robert Six sold out. And then their was TWA, and so the story goes.

  21. Kay Guest

    For years, I exclusively flew ( yes, past tense) SW multiple times a year. I have one last trip April of this year then adios SW. A 2 1/2 hour flight from Tampa to NYC should NOT take between 5 or 12 hours due to no nonstop flights. Nothing good for SW is going to come out of all of these changes.

  22. John Guest

    I will miss the numbered system. Its biggest advantage was that it was orderly. You knew where you stood and when you'd get on the plane. With 9 groups everyone is going to line up just like the rest of the airlines and gate lice will now be a thing again. I can remember the days of getting A and then getting to the gate early and lining up before there was a number. The pendulum swung, in some ways.

  23. Joe Bagadonuts Guest

    And then there were three. If they mess with same day confirmed changes, transparency in booking a flight with points and my Companion Pass, it would push me to Delta where I can fly Austin to NYC nonstop.

    1. Matt Guest

      Can't agree more. It is seeming more and more that companion pass is all that's left to keep me around. But now with variable points redemptions even that has lower value now. All the other things about Southwest are becoming less tolerable: gates at the furthest points in airports; no baggage delivery guarantee/compensation; with assigned seating no longer any A-list early check-in perk; prices that currently typically match competitors; outdated and uncomfortable plane interiors on...

      Can't agree more. It is seeming more and more that companion pass is all that's left to keep me around. But now with variable points redemptions even that has lower value now. All the other things about Southwest are becoming less tolerable: gates at the furthest points in airports; no baggage delivery guarantee/compensation; with assigned seating no longer any A-list early check-in perk; prices that currently typically match competitors; outdated and uncomfortable plane interiors on the older jets; fewer nonstops compared to competitors; reduced mileage earning; the list goes on and on. Becoming like everyone else means they'll struggle like everyone else. But they've dug themselves into their own, manageable for the most part to this point, uniqueness hole that puts them far behind all this new competition. RIP Southwest, I think you're going to lose more business than you think and you're headed dinner than later to be more like Spirit than the big 3. But then maybe a Spirit merger is the end goal of all this anyway...

  24. snic Diamond

    I actually really like the current Southwest boarding process - it's quite civilized and orderly. Everyone yowls about the disabled people who board first and then discover a miraculous cure in the sky, but these tend to be a very small number and someone is always going to abuse the system.

    I used to always check Southwest first for domestic tickets because I appreciated that Southwest wasn't like other airlines with their attempts to monetize...

    I actually really like the current Southwest boarding process - it's quite civilized and orderly. Everyone yowls about the disabled people who board first and then discover a miraculous cure in the sky, but these tend to be a very small number and someone is always going to abuse the system.

    I used to always check Southwest first for domestic tickets because I appreciated that Southwest wasn't like other airlines with their attempts to monetize everything. That showed respect for their customers and it yielded a pleasant experience that's quite different from the constant put-down you feel from other airlines because you haven't spent enough.

    But all that is in the past tense now. Southwest is now no different from the others, and probably even less pleasant given the tiny overhead bins and the need to connect in order to reach almost anywhere.

  25. George Romey Guest

    Southwest will do what other airlines are doing. Monetizing the boarding process. The result? A total cluster of people jamming the boarding lanes well before their group is going to be called.

  26. Adrian Guest

    I really don't know what kind of Koolaid these Southwest Executives are drinking.
    First, Southwest has a bunch of classic 737s with overhead bins that are smaller than the major 3 and Alaska's 737s. Boarding will take at least twice as long now.
    Unless F/As are actively helping out with bags, they are going to have to increase turn time to 50 to 60 minutes.

    I personally will not book any Southwest flights after May 28. The learning curve will be painful.

    1. Snake knife Guest

      Have never heard it called a " cattle call" a,b,c easy. Will be booking before May 28 so one last vacation using southwest.

  27. Arps Diamond

    Southwest will survive as long as they keep one thing.

    Passengers that have a modicum of basic manners.

    Southwest despite its brand image, and even 20 years ago when it was legitimately cheap, never attracted the hordes of low class, ill mannered people who are onboard every Frontier flight nowadays.

    I will not fly Frontier any longer. Although 99% of Frontier passengers are just fine, Frontier flights each carry over 200 pax. That means there’s...

    Southwest will survive as long as they keep one thing.

    Passengers that have a modicum of basic manners.

    Southwest despite its brand image, and even 20 years ago when it was legitimately cheap, never attracted the hordes of low class, ill mannered people who are onboard every Frontier flight nowadays.

    I will not fly Frontier any longer. Although 99% of Frontier passengers are just fine, Frontier flights each carry over 200 pax. That means there’s an expectation on each flight of 2 problematic pax. Believe me, those 2 pax will find a way to find each other and cause a scene. That is why I will not fly Frontier any longer.

    When I say problematic, I don’t mean they’re not going to make partner at a law firm of Skadden caliber. I mean they wouldn’t get hired to be the janitor at Skadden, due to their manners. And by the way the janitors at One Manhattan West are personable and would never cause the kind of scene which every Frontier flight has greater than 50-50 odds of having.

    1. Julie Guest

      “ will not fly Frontier any longer”

      For such a titan of business, I’m amazed you ever flew them ;)

      You continue to prove what a bag of BS you are with every post

      How’s the bot farm today?

  28. Ed Guest

    You can be more profitable by starting to charge for checked bags AND reduce boarding time: just be reasonable.
    Let's say charge $5 per checked bag. I imagine most people will pay that amount and not try to drag their oversized luggage on-board.

  29. Pete Guest

    Nine boarding groups? FFS.

    1. Jack Guest

      Just like United. Guaranteed chaos and gate lice.

  30. Eric Schmidt Guest

    I would think you'd be able to tell the answer to whether bags make a difference in boarding time by looking at Spirit or Frontier, where all bags, above or below the deck, cost money and people are incentivized to minimize them?

  31. Eric Schmidt Guest

    "...in contrast to our previous analysis, actual customer booking behavior through our new booking channels such as metasearch..."

    What is metasearch?

    1. WaywardAlpaca Gold

      Search engines such as Google Flights, KAYAK, etc. While they sometimes display baggage information, it’s not as prominent as the price.

      I guess feel that they’re being disadvantaged since they don’t match the price of other airlines that charges for carry-on and checked bags.

      Though it’s funny how their executives are now making data from metasearch sites a focus of discussion, when just over a year ago they refuse to be even displayed on them.

  32. AAflyer Guest

    They have a chance to do things better/differently but they are going to operate like they haven't learned anything from the AA/AS/DL/UA they are trying to copy. How about 3 groups: (1) priority (elite/card/premium seats) (2) main (3) basic. Any further breaking down of group 1 these days is only inefficient ego-stroking.

  33. MaxPower Diamond

    Isn't Wn already 9 boarding groups though phrased differently?

    Trying to get this one right
    1. A1-A30
    2. A31-A60
    3. A list Preferred
    4 Military? (I forget if they're before A or after A)
    5. Families and those needing time...
    6 B1-B30
    7. B31-B60
    8. C1-C30
    9 C30+ on the (738 variants)

    1. Matt Guest

      You're close but:

      1-preboarders, that have prbd on their boarding pass (required to get a paper boarding pass at the airport)
      2-A1-15 business select
      3-A16-30
      4-A31-60
      5-Any A-list/preferred that didn't get A group
      6-Military, in uniform with travel orders
      7-Families (max of 2 adults no matter how many kids)
      8-B1-30
      9-B31-60
      10-C? (I've never waited to see what's after C1)

  34. Eskimo Guest

    Now boarding group 1.
    Passenger who needs special assistance from Jetway Jesus.

  35. ImmortalSynn Guest

    Only legacy-Southwest shoe left to drop, is dependence on the 737. Be interesting to see if that (finally) happens.

    Both Airbus and Embraer have got to be seeing all this, and on the phone with them.

  36. Paper Boarding Pass Guest

    GOOD:
    - boarding by assigned groups
    - minimize the Jesus Jetway crowd
    - elimination of the "reserved" seats
    - chance to actually pick my seat (not having to play musical chairs)
    - not having to check in @ 23 hrs & 59 minutes & 59 seconds before departure just to land at the back end of group "A"

    BAD:
    - gate lice
    - boarding group jumpers (need a...

    GOOD:
    - boarding by assigned groups
    - minimize the Jesus Jetway crowd
    - elimination of the "reserved" seats
    - chance to actually pick my seat (not having to play musical chairs)
    - not having to check in @ 23 hrs & 59 minutes & 59 seconds before departure just to land at the back end of group "A"

    BAD:
    - gate lice
    - boarding group jumpers (need a sound like the "Price is Right" when a contestant selects the wrong price)
    - still some Jesus Jetway (need to make announcement that only one person to accompany one wheel chair)
    - fights over overhead bin space (just as bad as reserved seats)

    Southwest fails to mention that the size of the B737 has morphed compared to when the airline broke out of Texas with deregulation. Today, the MAX8 holds 30 to 40 more PAX compared to the 200 series. The boarding situation was getting out of control using an out of date approach.

    Long live Nine boarding groups!!

    1. Dave W. Guest

      No the poster is right.

  37. Redacted Guest

    It would be nice if their system would throw up an error message if someone tries to board with the wrong group, but I highly doubt Southwest will implement something like that. Their technology leaves a lot to be desired.

    In summary, this is not a wonderful change, but the current system is pretty terrible. My partner and I pay for A1-15 and then do a mad dash for row 11 or 15 (-700 or...

    It would be nice if their system would throw up an error message if someone tries to board with the wrong group, but I highly doubt Southwest will implement something like that. Their technology leaves a lot to be desired.

    In summary, this is not a wonderful change, but the current system is pretty terrible. My partner and I pay for A1-15 and then do a mad dash for row 11 or 15 (-700 or -800, respectively), but it's still more stressful than needed and we dislike being seated so far back.

    1. ML Guest

      Southwest will regret these changes.

  38. Timtamtrak Diamond

    We all talk a lot about the proverbial “race to the bottom” among the big US airlines.

    If it was a time trial, Southwest would have it handily in the bag. They’ve done in a year what took the legacy airlines 20.

  39. rrapynot Guest

    They are literally taking every shitty part of the big 3 without any of the good parts of the big 3.

    1. Dave Guest

      There's good parts to the big 3? If you're not in First class, its all worse than SW.

    2. Paula DeBoer Guest

      Shopping for a new airline. If I have to pay for checked bags and can't choose where to sit when I get on the plane, I might as well go to any airline. Plus, now my rewards points don't count for anything? Shame on you Southwest. We've been flying with you for 20 years, but not anymore......

  40. bmr12 Guest

    No way turn times decrease. All they have to do is look at all of their legacy competitors with assigned seating and paid baggage and see the facts.

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MaxPower Diamond

Isn't Wn already 9 boarding groups though phrased differently? Trying to get this one right 1. A1-A30 2. A31-A60 3. A list Preferred 4 Military? (I forget if they're before A or after A) 5. Families and those needing time... 6 B1-B30 7. B31-B60 8. C1-C30 9 C30+ on the (738 variants)

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bmr12 Guest

No way turn times decrease. All they have to do is look at all of their legacy competitors with assigned seating and paid baggage and see the facts.

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rrapynot Guest

They are literally taking every shitty part of the big 3 without any of the good parts of the big 3.

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