Lufthansa Plans “Real” Business Class Seats On Some Airbus A320s

Lufthansa Plans “Real” Business Class Seats On Some Airbus A320s

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While nothing has been formally announced, it sounds like Lufthansa intends to introduce proper business class seats on some of its narrow body aircraft, rather than just the typical economy seats with a blocked middle (thanks to Chris and Klaus for flagging this)…

Lufthansa could add recliner seats in A320 business class

Handelsblatt has a story on how Lufthansa Group CEO Carsten Spohr is suggesting that the airline may soon get all of its Boeing 787 Allegris business class seats certified. That’s of course great news, though there’s not actually any firm announcement there, just that he’s expecting good news soon.

Here’s what I find most interesting, though — Spohr is suggesting that the airline may soon introduce recliner business class seats on some of its Airbus A320-family aircraft. For context, all Lufthansa narrow body planes currently feature the typical intra-Europe cabins, where business class only consists of economy seats with blocked adjacent seats.

A few months back, Lufthansa low cost subsidiary Eurowings introduced real recliner seats on select A320s, with these planes flying between Germany and Dubai. This is a quirky layout — the planes have eight recliner business class seats (two rows of seats, in a 2-2 configuration), then they have the typical intra-Europe business class seats (several rows of economy seats with blocked middles), and then they have economy. It’s essentially a two-tiered business class cabin.

Eurowings has real business class seats on some A320neos

When Eurowings added this concept, the airline noted that this will “provide other airlines in the Lufthansa Group with important insights for the future configuration of new aircraft fleets.” It sounds like something might actually come of this, as Spohr has suggested that these trials are going well:

  • Spohr has told employees that “we will do the same with Lufthansa Classic as we did with Eurowings,” and “I think we will start with two rows of seats”
  • Interestingly, ITA Airways has A321neos that are super comfortable, with reverse herringbone seats in business class; however, those don’t seem to be doing well, with Spohr stating that “the routes that ITA is currently flying with the business class seat are losing money,” and “we are currently working with ITA management to see how we can optimize these routes”
ITA Airways has an amazing A321neo business class product

If this happens, don’t expect these seats on short flights

While Spohr is suggesting that it’s more or less a sure bet that some A320s will be getting recliner seats in business class, I think it’s important to emphasize that this is highly unlikely to be a fleetwide change.

I imagine the intent with such a product would be to increasingly make Lufthansa’s narrow body planes more competitive on some medium haul routes, to destinations like Amman (AMM), Cairo (CAI), Istanbul (IST), Tel Aviv (TLV), etc.

Competitively, there’s no real desire to improve intra-Europe business class, since virtually all major airlines are in the same league with what they’re offering. There’s no reason to rock the boat and raise the bar, and the beauty of intra-Europe business class (for airlines) is how flexible it is, as airlines can adjust the size of the cabin with each flight.

What I find unusual with Lufthansa’s planned approach is that it sounds like the airline wants to have two types of business class products on the A320s, just as is the case on Eurowings. Does that suggest that Lufthansa would basically only sell the recliner seats as an upcharge over standard business class?

That’s challenging competitively, since that might not be appealing to a business traveler who books a connecting itinerary on the company’s dime, only to be asked to pay out of pocket to upgrade to a more comfortable seat. So it’ll be interesting to see how that’s all handled.

Anything better than this sounds great to me!

Bottom line

Lufthansa Group CEO Carsten Spohr suggests that the airline will be introducing real recliner business class seats on select Airbus A320s. The plan is for some planes to first get two rows of business class seats, which would be a total of eight seats.

The idea would be that these planes would be flown on some medium haul routes, where competitive dynamics would support a product like this. While I love the idea of Lufthansa introducing recliners on A320s, my concern is this two-tiered business class concept, whereby the recliner seats would likely be an upcharge over the standard business class, which is just a strange way to go about things.

So we’ll mark this as “developing” for now, but I look forward to learning more.

What do you make of Lufthansa’s plans to upgrade its A320 business class?


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  1. Carl Member

    Personally I find extra legroom economy (like UA Economy Plus) to be more comfortable than LH-style Euro business class. I'm tall with long legs and like to use my laptop on board. LH biz class is uncomfortable.

    I don't see why U.S. style 3-class narrowbody products don't make the most sense in Europe, too, whatever you call the individual cabins. Recliners at the highest price point. Extra legroom economy in the middle. And cramped...

    Personally I find extra legroom economy (like UA Economy Plus) to be more comfortable than LH-style Euro business class. I'm tall with long legs and like to use my laptop on board. LH biz class is uncomfortable.

    I don't see why U.S. style 3-class narrowbody products don't make the most sense in Europe, too, whatever you call the individual cabins. Recliners at the highest price point. Extra legroom economy in the middle. And cramped economy for the price sensitive. Whether you price them as separate cabins or upcharges.

  2. Florian Guest

    It´s about time. I am fairly comfortable with the innereurope hard product, but Cairo is not within Europe.

    1. 1990 Guest

      No, it is most-certainly not, especially at customs.... *cough*

    2. AlanZ Guest

      For Miles & More. It is.

  3. MaxPower Diamond

    you really can just see delta looking at this thinking...

    "Wow... so we could sell delta 'comfort?' as first class with a blocked middle then charge EVERYONE even more for the recliner upgrade and say we're just responding to customer demand. So long as we have TVs at each seat, no one will even care about us leading the US industry to yet another product low"

    1. 1990 Guest

      LOL. They'd better not. No one, not DL, UA, AA, etc., should be copying Europe/LATAM's blocked-middle. It's trash. Recliners for premium, at minimum. Lie-flat for 5+ hours, redeyes. Please.

  4. CPHflyer Member

    So usual Lufty style we will se the first plan with these seat sometime in 2034 - and full phased before the end of a decade of your choosing.

  5. GFL Member

    The Business Cabin on some of those medium-haul routes can be quite massive. I recently flew FRA-CAI and Business Class had 44 seats. Almost all seats were taken with many passengers connecting from the US. This means that only a fraction of C-pax will be able to sit in those proper recliners if they only introduce 2 rows of it.

  6. Carsten Babarsten Guest

    This will take 20 years and by then no one will have recliner seats anymore besides LH Group

  7. This comes to mind Guest

    Not really a big deal to me. With one exception, I have always been in F/J on intra-European flights. Only once was it US-standard 2-2 F (all were narrowbodies) and that was a TW 727 BRU-SVO. The 1x1-1x1 over a 2-2 is quite fine on the routes I take (<90 mins.) I am scheduled on an AF 220 that is 1x-1x1. I suspect being on the port side on that might be better than a...

    Not really a big deal to me. With one exception, I have always been in F/J on intra-European flights. Only once was it US-standard 2-2 F (all were narrowbodies) and that was a TW 727 BRU-SVO. The 1x1-1x1 over a 2-2 is quite fine on the routes I take (<90 mins.) I am scheduled on an AF 220 that is 1x-1x1. I suspect being on the port side on that might be better than a US domestic 220 in 2-2. Me at window + no one in aisle in a 2-3 vs. stranger at window + me at aisle in a 2-2 sounds better even with the loss of a small amount of seat width. Plus, the armrests are movable outside b/h row.

  8. 1990 Guest

    About freaking time. European carriers need to ditch the 3-3 middle-blocked calling it ‘business’ class intra-Europe. Even worse, when they fly to North Africa or Middle East with narrow-body and that’s the best they got. Time to follow US, CA, AU and have recliners at minimum for premium. If it’s 5+ hours, especially redeyes, really should be lie-flat.

    1. John Guest

      You must be new here. Every man and his dog knows the glacial speed with which Spohr and Lufty move...It's one thing for Lufty to make announcements. It's quite another matter when it comes to actual delivery..

    2. Visionist Guest

      The only thing Lufthansa is quick at is spiriting the CEO's wife to judicial safety after she runs over & kills a babysitter in Sardegna

    3. Samo Diamond

      On long routes of 4+ hours or so I agree. On short routes it makes zero sense.

    4. AlanZ Guest

      You sound very logical. As for me, the longest I fly on the 320/321 is about two hours, during the day. The current seating arrangement suits us fine. Coupled with the the great meal/beverage service( including goose in December, 1990, we are happy. Both of size that the current configuration works for us.

      But I do fully appreciate that flights over 3 hours, and at nite, should have reclining seats. That is why you can...

      You sound very logical. As for me, the longest I fly on the 320/321 is about two hours, during the day. The current seating arrangement suits us fine. Coupled with the the great meal/beverage service( including goose in December, 1990, we are happy. Both of size that the current configuration works for us.

      But I do fully appreciate that flights over 3 hours, and at nite, should have reclining seats. That is why you can often find TK flights with recliners.

      LH has a gazillion flights, intra-Germany. Makes no sense. Once flew Austrian 787 from Vienna to Frankfurt. Tad over an hour. Was familiarization flight for crew going to fly the plane to U.S. The amenities/service made no sense. But I did get one of the Austrian cute little clothespin's to hold up my napkin.

    5. 1990 Guest

      Alan, you had me at 'goose'...

      I do have a love-hate relationship about TK. When it's their newer a350 or 787, I'm very pleased; when it's their 777 or 330 with lie-flat I'm okay; when it's swapped for the older 330 with broken recliners, for 6-8 hour flight, even though it was marketed as lie-flat, that's when I'm livid.

      I'm yet to fly Austrian, actually, but, when I finally do, I'll be looking out for the clothespin.

    6. AlanZ Guest

      They have the best white wines( I had a choice of six), the best coffee of any airline, and great pastries. Well, it is Austrian. And the weinerschnitzel was great.

  9. hbilbao Diamond

    Can't wait for 7 different types of recliner seats!

    1. John Guest

      Ha ha...well said. And the key term here is "wait".

    2. Nasir Guest

      Then those will enter service after 7 years from now. And yes, Lufthansa will receive a 6 star rating from SkyTrax for that.

    3. DontAskMyAge Member

      1: Bulkhead with max legroom
      2: Bulkhead with reduced legroom (some aircraft one side of seat have a lower pitch than the other)
      3: Regular Seat With max legroom
      4: Regular Seat with reduced legroom
      5: Bulkhead middle seat business
      6: Standard middle seat business
      7: Toilet Row Seat

  10. Speedbird Guest

    Why not just sell it as First Class, they used to do three class shorthaul with A300s and A310s

  11. Samo Diamond

    I think the idea may be that they pretty much always sell two rows of business class so if they need to use a plane for both longhaul and shorthaul for proper utilisation, they're no losing much by only having two rows.

    ITA's example also proves the narrative about offering huge seat on short route being some sort of a competitive benefit incorrect.

  12. Chucky Guest

    With all the money being thrown at developing different airline seats (flat beds etc.) and concepts they sometimes showcase, isn't there any room in the marketplace for an adjustable short haul business class seat? Something that could maybe also be used for the premium economy market to make those cabins adaptable to route demand as well?

  13. Throwawayname Guest

    This doesn't come across as a particularly clever idea. Nobody is going to be happy paying a fortune to fly long haul with a connection to/from CAI/IST and being faced with choosing between an economy seat and paying even more for a recliner. Those who know their behavioural economics will probably be able to confirm that this is likely to make pax less happy than being told 'we only offer one type of seats on narrowbodies'.

    1. Barbarella Guest

      I wonder, would the recliners sell as business class on a TLV-FRA-JFK itinerary and the blocked middle seats as Premium Economy?

      But on a TLV-FRA-MAN ? How would that go ?

  14. Andy Guest

    Have you heard about the Frankfurt airport tour? Apparently, they take you on a bus through the tarmac, get you close to airplanes, etc... I have not tried it, but sounds cool. Might be interesting to try.

    1. Betty Guest

      Even more interesting is Hamburg with their Airport Model included. That's incredible. But yes, FRA has several different tours available.

      https://www.hamburg-airport.de/de/orientieren-erleben/airport-erleben/modellschau

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Carsten Babarsten Guest

This will take 20 years and by then no one will have recliner seats anymore besides LH Group

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hbilbao Diamond

Can't wait for 7 different types of recliner seats!

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MaxPower Diamond

you really can just see delta looking at this thinking... "Wow... so we could sell delta 'comfort?' as first class with a blocked middle then charge EVERYONE even more for the recliner upgrade and say we're just responding to customer demand. So long as we have TVs at each seat, no one will even care about us leading the US industry to yet another product low"

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