In recent years, summer demand for travel between the United States and Europe has been through the roof, so we’ve seen US airlines add as much capacity there as possible. Every year, we see airlines tweak their European route network a bit, based on both capacity and demand, and announce new services.
We’re now seeing US airlines announce their plans for next summer. American recently announced its route additions for the summer of 2025, and a couple of days ago, Delta announced the routes it’ll be adding next summer.
While I first covered this on Friday, I wanted to provide an update, as these flights are now on sale. This means the schedules for the flights have been published, so I’ve updated this post to add all of those. There are some cool additions here, so let’s go over the details (as I previously wrote about, Delta is dropping its New York to Munich route next summer)…
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Delta adding seven new Europe routes, one new destination
Delta has announced plans to add seven new seasonal routes to Europe next summer, which will contribute to the airline having its largest transatlantic schedule ever.
Six of the routes are to destinations already served from other hubs, while one route is to an all-new destination. Specifically, we can expect the following seasonal flights to launch next summer:
- New York (JFK) to Catania, Italy (CTA) — this will be daily service with a Boeing 767-300ER, and it’s a new destination, as Delta is the first US airline to fly there
- Atlanta (ATL) to Brussels, Belgium (BRU) — this will be 3x weekly service with a Boeing 767-300ER, and it complements Delta’s seasonal service out of New York
- Atlanta (ATL) to Naples, Italy (NAP) — this will be 3x weekly service with an Airbus A330-200, and it complements Delta’s seasonal service out of New York
- Boston (BOS) to Barcelona, Spain (BCN) — this will be 3x weekly service with a Boeing 767-300ER, and it complements Delta’s year-round service from Atlanta and New York
- Boston (BOS) to Milan, Italy (MXP) — this will be 4x weekly service with a Boeing 767-300ER, and it complements Delta’s year-round service from Atlanta and New York
- Detroit (DTW) to Dublin, Ireland (DUB) — this will be 4x weekly service with an Airbus A330-200, and it complements Delta’s year-round service from Atlanta and New York, and seasonal service from Boston and Minneapolis
- Minneapolis (MSP) to Rome, Italy (FCO) — this will be 4x weekly service with an Airbus A330-300, and it complements Delta’s year-round service from Atlanta and New York, and seasonal service from Boston and Detroit
As you can see, Delta is heavily focused on Italy here, with four of the seven new routes being to the country. I don’t think that’s too surprising, given how hot it has been with American tourists.
These are some cool route additions. The Catania service is especially fun. Historically Delta has followed United when it comes to adding destinations in Europe, but in this case, Delta is leading the way.
One thing I notice is that with the exception of the Catania service, all the other routes are less than daily. I just find that to be interesting, because often US airlines scale their transatlantic networks so that daily service works in most markets.
Delta’s New York to Catania route
As of May 22, 2025, Delta will launch daily summer seasonal service from New York to Catania. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
DL244 New York to Catania departing 5:25PM arriving 8:35AM (+1 day)
DL245 Catania to New York departing 10:35AM arriving 2:45PM
The 4,564-mile flight is blocked at 9hr10min eastbound and 10hr10min westbound. Delta will use a Boeing 767-300ER for this route.
Delta’s Atlanta to Brussels route
As of June 10, 2025, Delta will launch 3x weekly summer seasonal service from Atlanta to Brussels. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
DL140 Atlanta to Brussels departing 5:55PM arriving 8:40AM (+1 day)
DL141 Brussels to Atlanta departing 10:45AM arriving 2:50PM
The 4,426-mile flight is blocked at 8hr45min eastbound and 10hr5min westbound. Delta will use a Boeing 767-300ER for this route.The 4,426-mile flight is blocked at 8hr45min eastbound and 10hr5min westbound. Delta will use a Boeing 767-300ER for this route.
Delta’s Atlanta to Naples route
As of May 23, 2025, Delta will launch 4x weekly summer seasonal service from Atlanta to Naples. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
DL278 Atlanta to Naples departing 3:50PM arriving 7:30AM (+1 day)
DL279 Naples to Atlanta departing 9:30AM arriving 3:00PM
The 5,159-mile flight is blocked at 9hr40min eastbound and 11hr30min westbound. Delta will use an Airbus A330-200 for this route.
Delta’s Boston to Barcelona route
As of May 22, 2025, Delta will launch 3x weekly summer seasonal service from Boston to Barcelona. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
DL250 Boston to Barcelona departing 5:50PM arriving 7:15AM (+1 day)
DL251 Barcelona to Boston departing 9:30AM arriving 11:55AM
The 3,650-mile flight is blocked at 7hr25min eastbound and 8hr25min westbound. Delta will use a Boeing 767-300ER for this route.
Delta’s Boston to Milan route
As of May 23, 2025, Delta will launch 4x weekly summer seasonal service from Boston to Milan. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
DL186 Boston to Milan departing 5:20PM arriving 7:05AM (+1 day)
DL187 Milan to Boston departing 9:20AM arriving 11:55AM
The 3,810-mile flight is blocked at 7hr45min eastbound and 8hr35min westbound. Delta will use a Boeing 767-300ER for this route.
Delta’s Detroit to Dublin route
As of May 7, 2025, Delta will launch 4x weekly summer seasonal service from Detroit to Dublin. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
DL292 Detroit to Dublin departing 9:15PM arriving 9:30AM (+1 day)
DL293 Dublin to Detroit departing 11:30AM arriving 2:30PM
The 3,488-mile flight is blocked at 7hr15min eastbound and 8hr westbound. Delta will use an Airbus A330-200 for this route.
Delta’s Minneapolis to Rome route
As of May 23, 2025, Delta will launch 4x weekly summer seasonal service from Minneapolis to Rome. The flight will operate with the following schedule:
DL298 Minneapolis to Rome departing 7:25PM arriving 12:00PM (+1 day)
DL299 Rome to Minneapolis departing 12:30PM arriving 4:15PM
The 4,902-mile flight is blocked at 9hr35min eastbound and 10hr45 westbound. Delta will use an Airbus A330-300 for this route.
Delta boosting five existing European routes
In addition to adding seven new routes, Delta will also be increasing frequencies in the summer of 2025, in five existing markets. Specifically, Delta will offer the following increased flights:
- Atlanta (ATL) to Athens, Greece (ATH) will be increased to 11x weekly service
- Atlanta (ATL) to Barcelona, Spain (BCN) will be increased to 10x weekly service
- Atlanta (ATL) to Rome, Italy (FCO) will be increased to 17x weekly service
- Atlanta (ATL) to Zurich, Switzerland (ZRH) will be increased to daily service
- Detroit (DTW) to Munich, Germany (MUC) will be increased to daily service
I don’t think there are any surprises here. In particular, the focus on Atlanta makes sense, given just how much connectivity Delta has through its largest hub.
Bottom line
Delta has announced its plans across the Atlantic for next summer. The airline will launch seven new routes, with six routes being to existing destinations, and one route being to a new destination (Catania). On top of that, the airline will increase service in five existing markets, primarily out of its Atlanta hub.
The “big three” US carriers have pretty mature Europe route networks at this point, and without a huge number of new planes being delivered, there’s only so much they can grow. Delta’s route additions are definitely more interesting than American’s. Now I’m curious to see what United comes up with (though United is in a bad position with new aircraft deliveries).
What do you make of Delta’s route additions for the summer of 2025?
These are all nice destinations, but not of much benefit for us West Coast residents. I rather have a long flight to Europe first followed by a shorter hop with Europe than two longish flights connecting in the US.
Why does this have 100 comments in 6 hours??
Half the comments are from one jack ass.
Now that AA and DL have both announced their summer 2025 international expansions, a couple themes are clear.
Southern Europe is seeing more and more demand. Americans continue to pay big money to go to Europe.
The big northern and central European hubs are seeing minimal growth.
Even though there is partner swapping going on, the US carrier part of schedules don't reflect differences yet.
UA has yet to announce its summer...
Now that AA and DL have both announced their summer 2025 international expansions, a couple themes are clear.
Southern Europe is seeing more and more demand. Americans continue to pay big money to go to Europe.
The big northern and central European hubs are seeing minimal growth.
Even though there is partner swapping going on, the US carrier part of schedules don't reflect differences yet.
UA has yet to announce its summer 2025 schedule but they have a fairly small amount of aircraft coming so most of their global growth will come as service to other destinations are reduced or cancelled.
AA has already announced its summer 2025 transpacific schedule which just involves upgauging.
DL has yet to announce its summer 2025 schedules but indications are for further growth including from SEA and to new or re-added destinations in Asia.
No one asked.
@Bob, but he is a good reminder of how bad obsession can become over entities that don't care back about you one bit.
It's amusing and sad at the same time.
What is sad is that there are people who are incapable on understanding and applying that, on an open internet conversation, you don’t control the conversation. Say your piece, let others do the same, and quit trying to shame others whose message or presence you don’t like.
And you clearly aren’t smart enough to figure out that if you don’t want to hear from someone, then quit focusing attention on them.
I don’t pretend to control the conversation, tim
Ever.
And you clearly aren’t smart enough to understand that you’re a laughing stock
You can say what you want and you definitely do. Over and over and over and over again. Same lies. Same distortions. Same nonsensical ways of making delta look good
You make delta look genius for firing you, congrats
you don't pretend, Max.
You are hellbent on controlling the conversation.
The issue is that you don't like the FACTS that I present. Including how well or poorly any airline does.
You can't stand that the facts show that Delta is still the leader in the US airline industry.
You want to eliminate any negative comment about your beloved airline and suppress anything positive said about your competitors.
I call balls and strikes...
you don't pretend, Max.
You are hellbent on controlling the conversation.
The issue is that you don't like the FACTS that I present. Including how well or poorly any airline does.
You can't stand that the facts show that Delta is still the leader in the US airline industry.
You want to eliminate any negative comment about your beloved airline and suppress anything positive said about your competitors.
I call balls and strikes about them all.
You still can't explain why - in your own words - I do so much to promote Delta and yet I was fired by them.
Your assertion makes no sense - but you have proven over and over and over again that you aren't smart or rational.
None of which changes that Delta continues to grow because it is getting Airbus airplanes while AA and UA have been waiting for Boeing to get its stuff together for years.
And Delta hasn't announced its Pacific schedule. AA is upgauging a few routes from the 788 to 789. That is all it will do.
UA will only be able to add routes by cancelling others - or in the case of some cities, not being able to fly them any more.
You can't stand to admit that one of DL's greatest strokes of genius was in buying Airbus widebodies and they WILL take advantage of AA and UA's position of having their backs against the wall.
"You want to eliminate any negative comment about your beloved airline and suppress anything positive said about your competitors."
lmao. And what is my beloved airline? Are you talking about yourself? Stop being such an absolute joke.
It's truly like you think throwing back things people say to you back to others somehow is a good insult.
"You can't stand to admit that one of DL's greatest strokes of genius was in buying...
"You want to eliminate any negative comment about your beloved airline and suppress anything positive said about your competitors."
lmao. And what is my beloved airline? Are you talking about yourself? Stop being such an absolute joke.
It's truly like you think throwing back things people say to you back to others somehow is a good insult.
"You can't stand to admit that one of DL's greatest strokes of genius was in buying Airbus widebodies and they WILL take advantage of AA and UA's position of having their backs against the wall."
You're such a weirdo lol. Who has ever said anything about Delta or them buying A350s except you? It's a good plane and I've said that but the way you think it's the only plane and makes DL better than everyone else is just ridiculous. Stop being so stupid and making stuff up. You just make yourself look dumber and more obtuse to your surroundings than you already are.
"You still can't explain why - in your own words - I do so much to promote Delta and yet I was fired by them."
I've never attempted to understand your strange mind. No one could possibly understand why you're so insane. But your time on a.net is very well documented by you and your former coworkers who didn't like you either, except Brad. Lying about it doesn't help anything.
Enjoy your day. You can't even put logical thoughts together.
And to add extra context @MaxPower, airliners.net or a.net is filled with Tim Dunn wannabes.
The vast majority of posters are Delta Airline shills/hacks. The moderators even delete anything that make DAL look bad.
Which makes his banning even more impressive.
yes, we get it.
Anyone that says anything YOU don't like is shilling for someone else.
You simply don't want a free exchange of ideas.
You want to shame anyone whose opinions or facts you don't like.
And, since you bring up a.net, you have been called out multiple times for saying things that other people think is "all wet"
Feel free to play at the kiddie table. There is good reason why...
yes, we get it.
Anyone that says anything YOU don't like is shilling for someone else.
You simply don't want a free exchange of ideas.
You want to shame anyone whose opinions or facts you don't like.
And, since you bring up a.net, you have been called out multiple times for saying things that other people think is "all wet"
Feel free to play at the kiddie table. There is good reason why you should stay there and some of the rest of us don't ever want to return.
and you two still aren't smart enough to realize that if you don't want to hear from someone, quit talking about them.
You two are truly the two dumbest rocks in the ocean.
"And, since you bring up a.net, you have been called out multiple times for saying things that other people think is "all wet"
Feel free to play at the kiddie table. There is good reason why you should stay there and some of the rest of us don't ever want to return."
On the one hand, Tim reads everything on a.net to the degree he can try to say he knows what others think of...
"And, since you bring up a.net, you have been called out multiple times for saying things that other people think is "all wet"
Feel free to play at the kiddie table. There is good reason why you should stay there and some of the rest of us don't ever want to return."
On the one hand, Tim reads everything on a.net to the degree he can try to say he knows what others think of a220, on the other "some of us don't want to return."
Tim, how you even think of these things to say... lol
And you can say whatever you want. Again... you do. Over and over... but you don't get to make up fake things, lie about them, and not get called out for flat out lies and misrepresentations. Say all you want but there's a reason a.net banned you and Delta fired you. You lie and make S**t up.
But we do agree on one thing, Tim. A.net is full of shills for just about any airline you want there to be.
Tim, what happened to you showing the world your ID to prove you're the real "tim Dunn"? You've been so eager to prove your name is really Tim dunn. prove it. I'm sure Ben will do an article on it since you're such a prolific reader of his and most people find your brain a fascinating place.
Not that you have an ID that says Tim Dunn on it, but it is a weird talking...
Tim, what happened to you showing the world your ID to prove you're the real "tim Dunn"? You've been so eager to prove your name is really Tim dunn. prove it. I'm sure Ben will do an article on it since you're such a prolific reader of his and most people find your brain a fascinating place.
Not that you have an ID that says Tim Dunn on it, but it is a weird talking point of yours somehow thinking my name it "Max Power". Just a secret between us. It isn't and I've never said it is.
But McLovin sure would be proud of me if I pulled out a Hawaiian drivers license with MaxPower on it...
ahh @Maxpower I was about to ask you about that. So he does still read it! Such inconsistencies in his story...
Funny how you declined to mention that the things I've been "called out for" were... wait for it... your ideas! Such a convenient fact to leave out, yeah?
And I haven't insulted you in ages.
I'm more than happy to have a proper discussion with you any day, on anything, and we have...
ahh @Maxpower I was about to ask you about that. So he does still read it! Such inconsistencies in his story...
Funny how you declined to mention that the things I've been "called out for" were... wait for it... your ideas! Such a convenient fact to leave out, yeah?
And I haven't insulted you in ages.
I'm more than happy to have a proper discussion with you any day, on anything, and we have previously. In fact, I quite look forward to it, the next time it occurs.
But I'm not the one who somehow created this massive internet personality in a small industry. Quite the feat really and for that, I must commend you.
A220,
this is the root of the issue right here:
"But I'm not the one who somehow created this massive internet personality in a small industry. Quite the feat really and for that, I must commend you."
while you are a whole lot more rational than some, there are people like Max that can't stand - are really jealous - that I have managed to "create a massive internet personality"
I...
A220,
this is the root of the issue right here:
"But I'm not the one who somehow created this massive internet personality in a small industry. Quite the feat really and for that, I must commend you."
while you are a whole lot more rational than some, there are people like Max that can't stand - are really jealous - that I have managed to "create a massive internet personality"
I participate in a few sites and I am active in the ones I do.
I call balls and strikes and do not hold Delta in a higher regard than they should be
But the fact is that Delta simply runs a better business and a better airline than its competitors so the list of strikes is a whole lot shorter than for other airlines.
I focus on the big picture, not the anecdotes that some thrive on.
and, no, Max, YOU are the one that people want to see your ID.
As usual, you distort everything that you don't accept including that MaxPower is a clearly made-up name.
I am one of the relatively few people in aviation social media that uses my own name.
and, yes, 220, we have had civil discussions and believe we can again
Some people, however, are simply committed to shaming anyone that they don't like out of existence on the internet and I refuse to bow to their wishes.
All anyone needs to do is say their piece and let others do the same
but since there are a few that post anonymously, they think that "winning" is whipping the crowd onto their side instead of addressing the issues.
you're such a loser, Tim. I've always been very honest that MaxPower isn't my name. You seem to forget your own replies to others about Tim being your fake name.
And you've also used MANY other fake names since.
Most of these flights are a bit useless for the average traveler. Only the new Catania flight is 7 days a week. I'm not going to plan my vacation over an airlines schedule, it should be the other way around. They are trying to expand their schedule without having the planes to do it. No thanks.
schedules have been loaded and aeroroutes provides a summary for those that use that site.
The most notable aircraft changes are the increase in the use of the 330-900 over the Atlantic. Delta is receiving 7 this year - all in the 2nd half of this year so unusable for the summer 2024 season and likely a few more in early 2025.
There are also a number of upgrades from 767s to 330s with the...
schedules have been loaded and aeroroutes provides a summary for those that use that site.
The most notable aircraft changes are the increase in the use of the 330-900 over the Atlantic. Delta is receiving 7 this year - all in the 2nd half of this year so unusable for the summer 2024 season and likely a few more in early 2025.
There are also a number of upgrades from 767s to 330s with the most notable being JFK-BER which goes to the 333.
That capacity increase offsets about half of the capacity to Germany lost in the cancellation of 4X week ATL-STR.
The ex-Latam 359s appear to not be scheduled after mid summer 2025.
The new 35H (whether new aircraft or reconfigured ex-Latam aircraft) appears in more and more markets including ATL-SCL for the northern summer.
As a frequent ‘pond hopper’ between LHR and countless destinations in the US, I can think of nothing which would induce me to fly Delta.
Sorry Delta fans but the airline is judged to be too low down the SkyTrax world rankings for my liking.
Even by his standard-less commenting, the sophistry is simply breathtaking:
Even by his standard-less commenting, the sophistry is simply breathtaking:
Sophistry
soph·ist·ry (ˈsäfəstrē,ˈsōfəstrē)
noun
the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
there is nothing deceptive about the statements that were made.
You just can't stand to accept that the lofty greatness that you and Ben want to hold out for Polaris simply doesn't exist for significant portions of their fleet.
Hypocrisy is the word you are looking for - and it is those that find a speck in someone else's log while ignoring the log in their own
"Delta has long been the largest airline between the US and Europe; only if you include UA's 757 narrowbody flights does UA become larger".
Sophistry, It's, like, let's just exclude those inconvenient UA 757 flights so that I can yet again declare DL's universal supremacy. Quite pathetic, really.
"Delta has long been the largest airline between the US and Europe; only if you include UA's 757 narrowbody flights does UA become larger".
Sophistry, It's, like, let's just exclude those inconvenient UA 757 flights so that I can yet again declare DL's universal supremacy. Quite pathetic, really.
You are clearly delusional because I do not recall ever "conspiring" with Ben to claim "the lofty greatness of Polaris" or any other airline cabin.
No, sophistry, with its succinct definition that I provided, was exactly the word I was looking for.
I am done here. The soapbox is yours. Knock yourself out.
Okay, I've just gotta say, DCS and Tim Dunn debating in the comments is just... *chef's kiss*.
Sorry to disappoint you, Ben, but as much as you would like to see a "cosmic event" here, there is no "debate" speak of, as least not in the mind of anyone with an ounce of gray matter between the ears.
You can do better.
G'day.
nobody said you and Ben were conspiring about anything.
The fact is that UA is flying some ancient metal and has aircraft that are far worse based on the standard that Ben himself set for what he says makes an acceptable aircraft. The UA 757 absolutely falls into that category.
Every US AND foreign airline has aircraft that do not meet the standards of their highest product. After how many years, EK is finally getting...
nobody said you and Ben were conspiring about anything.
The fact is that UA is flying some ancient metal and has aircraft that are far worse based on the standard that Ben himself set for what he says makes an acceptable aircraft. The UA 757 absolutely falls into that category.
Every US AND foreign airline has aircraft that do not meet the standards of their highest product. After how many years, EK is finally getting around to putting direct aisle access into its massive 777W fleet.
The notion that ANY airline has a completely consistent product is either ignorance of the highest order about the global airline industry or the typical self-appointed cherrypicking of what matters.
Strictly speaking Catania is Sicily.lol
Interesting, no focus on SAS hubs. We could have got eg ATL-OSL or ATL-ARN.
Wonder how many mafiosi will be on each JFK-CTA flight. ;)
White Lotus effect re: launching a Catania route? Taormina is just 35 miles down the coast
Who on earth (other than Tim Dunn for free on an ex-employee coach ticket) would fly that airline to Europe or anywhere else in the world when you have so many other choices that offer a much better experience and value?
sounds like someone squeezing sour grapes
You can easily tell by traffic statistics in public financial reports how many revenue passengers fly each of the big 3 - and it is millions of passengers per year.
Half or more of the capacity between the US and Europe is carried by US airlines. Delta has long been the largest airline between the US and Europe; only if you include UA's 757 narrowbody flights does UA become...
sounds like someone squeezing sour grapes
You can easily tell by traffic statistics in public financial reports how many revenue passengers fly each of the big 3 - and it is millions of passengers per year.
Half or more of the capacity between the US and Europe is carried by US airlines. Delta has long been the largest airline between the US and Europe; only if you include UA's 757 narrowbody flights does UA become larger.
So, what exactly what was your point when it is clear that DL does carry a significant portion of the passengers flying between the US and Europe and according to data which each of the airlines filed with the DOT, made more money - by far - flying the Atlantic than any other US airline.
Clearly your jilted view of the world is not representative of how millions of Americans and Europeans spend their money
“Delta has long been the largest airline between the US and Europe; only if you include UA's 757 narrowbody flights does UA become larger.”
Sorry what?? So if you exclude some flights that the largest airline flies Delta is larger??? What kind of logic is this?
Delta is only large US to Europe because its partners’ (AFKL) transatlantic networks are weaker than United’s (LHG) and American’s (IAG) partners.
These are all leisure destinations and...
“Delta has long been the largest airline between the US and Europe; only if you include UA's 757 narrowbody flights does UA become larger.”
Sorry what?? So if you exclude some flights that the largest airline flies Delta is larger??? What kind of logic is this?
Delta is only large US to Europe because its partners’ (AFKL) transatlantic networks are weaker than United’s (LHG) and American’s (IAG) partners.
These are all leisure destinations and mostly heavy cruise destinations. They are likely being subsidised / guaranteed revenue by the cruise lines. Also why they are only a few days a week…coincides with cruise departures.
Delta is likely larger US to Europe
American and Delta both decided flying 757s is not good economically or from a passenger experience. America and United are going to try again with A321XLRs while delta says its intercontinental service will all be on wide bodies.
Feel free to provide data showing that Delta’s partners are weaker than United’s or American’s. Delta has joint venture partners at 3 of the top 4 European airports something no one else can say
@ Tim Dunn -- "Delta has long been the largest airline between the US and Europe; only if you include UA's 757 narrowbody flights does UA become..."
I'm with Matt, and this might be your best quote ever. Delta is the biggest, but only if you exclude certain aircraft. Yowzers.
I mean, by that logic, American is the biggest airline across the Atlantic, if you exclude 767s and A330s.
No. American flies widebodies. Just like Delta.
Funny how you of ALL people think that the 757 is an acceptable transatlantic aircraft while you rag incessantly on Delta’s 767s.
You do realize that United’s 757s don’t have direct aisle business class and just 2 people in every row get an aisle compared to 4 on a wide body? How is that an acceptable international aircraft?
TD, please visit the following website: https://www.worldairlineawards.com/worlds-top-100-airlines-2024/
On there you will clearly see 20 reasons not to fly Delta across the pond.
100%. Why would I fly them at the same redemption rates over Air France? And virgin is usually cheaper than both and WHAT a better experience they are. Newer, nicer and more with it attendance, MUCH better lounges.
FYI - you have Minneapolis listed as MPS instead of MSP
Worth noting that this announcement is also the first official Delta press release on having a Delta One lounge in Seattle.
Their original Delta One lounge announcement did not include it in the list: https://news.delta.com/look-ahead-delta-debut-premium-lounges-and-more-2024
It’s easy to create an account if you aren’t Tim’s stooge
laughable from someone that can't be bothered to register your own account - so are no more "valid" than he or she is
Laughable from a fake named guy banned from off how many names?
Also
Thanks for emphasizing my point that you replied forgetting you were logged in as yourself vs your fake name
What an idiot
Is yolo your newfound guy to back you up when you once again have no friends?
as usual for the low-intelligence readers of this blog, you attack anyone that doesn't agree with you.
His statement is accurate. YOU AND ONLY YOU are the one that can't accept that Delta continues to grow at Seattle and ALL FOUR of the coastal hubs will have Delta One lounges. Not bad for an airline that already had the most airline lounge space by square foot of any airline in the world and now is...
as usual for the low-intelligence readers of this blog, you attack anyone that doesn't agree with you.
His statement is accurate. YOU AND ONLY YOU are the one that can't accept that Delta continues to grow at Seattle and ALL FOUR of the coastal hubs will have Delta One lounges. Not bad for an airline that already had the most airline lounge space by square foot of any airline in the world and now is nearly through adding D1 lounges in 4 hubs in less than a year.
It really is the little stuff that people say that shows how unhinged you are.
Wait, so yoloswag420 and Tim are the same person?
And you call other people idiots?
Some people really do have TDS.
If you even look at any of the comments below or any other article, you can pretty clearly tell that's not the case.
I'm not sure if the locals in Barcelona, Milan and Rome will be as excited to see plane loads of premium serviced Americans invading next summer. Those places already see fierce not-so-premium protests against mass tourism and I think things may get a tad out of hand if nothing changes - or even worsens.
The Sicily flight is a nice curiosity though. I'm sure someone had an epiphany and just convinced everyone else with...
I'm not sure if the locals in Barcelona, Milan and Rome will be as excited to see plane loads of premium serviced Americans invading next summer. Those places already see fierce not-so-premium protests against mass tourism and I think things may get a tad out of hand if nothing changes - or even worsens.
The Sicily flight is a nice curiosity though. I'm sure someone had an epiphany and just convinced everyone else with premium arguments to add it as a destination. Either that, or they just hung a premium map of Southern Europe on a premium whiteboard in the premium office and threw a premium dart at it and just decided to go where it landed.
You know, I just ranted about this to a fellow American who also travels all the time internationally.
I have never seen these horrific American tourists everyone decries.
Maybe it was a thing in the 70s and 80s. But I've been going abroad every year since 1992 and me and my friends have always been respectful, open-minded and well-behaved in other countries. And I've never seen rowdy Americans like you'll see domestically in...
You know, I just ranted about this to a fellow American who also travels all the time internationally.
I have never seen these horrific American tourists everyone decries.
Maybe it was a thing in the 70s and 80s. But I've been going abroad every year since 1992 and me and my friends have always been respectful, open-minded and well-behaved in other countries. And I've never seen rowdy Americans like you'll see domestically in Nashville, on Bourbon St, or in the East Village on a Friday night.
But I've seen some of the most psychotic, anti-social behavior in my entire life from Aussie and English men all over the world. As well as bizarre, obsessive, intrusive selfie-taking from young Asian women. Or DYKWIA tantrums from South Asian men. In hotels, at tourist sites, on public transport. In cities on multiple continents.
Gotta stick up for Americans. We might be the dumbest country on Earth but we travel well.
I think it also has a tie with the economy of people are that are loud, not well behaved people. You’ll see those nasty Americans in America because it’s cheap to go to Nashville but can’t really afford a whole week in Europe (some don’t really care to go outside of the US). On the other hand, you’ll see nasty English people in Europe because it’s basically a cheap domestic destination for them.
Completely...
I think it also has a tie with the economy of people are that are loud, not well behaved people. You’ll see those nasty Americans in America because it’s cheap to go to Nashville but can’t really afford a whole week in Europe (some don’t really care to go outside of the US). On the other hand, you’ll see nasty English people in Europe because it’s basically a cheap domestic destination for them.
Completely agree though, I love going to Europe every year at least once and haven’t ever really encountered situations where Americans are making a mess or a fuss.
You must not see many Americans when you travel...
Always on here with a bossy opinion about everything. Nothing to back it up.
Isn't your whole thing anecdotal evidence to support your opinion?
What should I use, Julia? Data on the boorishness of Americans? Moron.
I love all the Americans saying there is no bad American behaviour.
Granted it isn’t the loutish, drunken behaviour of the English.
I think it is more attitudinal. I have seen many cringe-worthy scenes. Treating people condescendingly and like they are dumb…just an air of America superiority. Thinking that money can buy them out of any situation. Loudness. Taking over places and arranging all the furniture not recognising that other people are using...
I love all the Americans saying there is no bad American behaviour.
Granted it isn’t the loutish, drunken behaviour of the English.
I think it is more attitudinal. I have seen many cringe-worthy scenes. Treating people condescendingly and like they are dumb…just an air of America superiority. Thinking that money can buy them out of any situation. Loudness. Taking over places and arranging all the furniture not recognising that other people are using facilities too. Expecting that everyone follows their cultural customs. Deriding foreign customs as being stupid and it’s better back in the USA. Cruise passengers!
Granted not everyone is like it. But cultures are often judged by their worst ambassadors
So some Americans moved some chairs on a cruise you were on. Got it. I’ll remember that the next time I see English blokes slapping women on the ass in the street in Amsterdam.
Thankfully, the Germans out-American the Americans across most of europe
I'm just here for the Tummy Dinn comments. This schedule is YAWN.....
Allllrighty then, as some people apparently didn't understood the references and instantly went in defense mode:
'premium serviced' of course refers to the running joke to describe Delta as such. If you look carefully, you may find a peculiar person around here who somehow tries to use propaganda tactics to make us understand that only Delta is a premium service airline. As Goebbels already told “If you tell a lie big enough and keep...
Allllrighty then, as some people apparently didn't understood the references and instantly went in defense mode:
'premium serviced' of course refers to the running joke to describe Delta as such. If you look carefully, you may find a peculiar person around here who somehow tries to use propaganda tactics to make us understand that only Delta is a premium service airline. As Goebbels already told “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - nuff said about that.
'Americans' of course refers to the place where the Delta fliers come from. As the same commenter loves to point out, Delta is an American airline, and as transiting via the US is an atrocious experience, you may assume that well over 99.9% of all the passengers are Americans.
I have in no way said anything ugly about Americans. The only thing I pointed out is that the locals in a few of those cities have had enough of tourism - any tourism from any place in the world, and things already got quite grim this summer. So, in my opinion and as a logical conclusion, adding tens of thousands of extra tourists doesn't really help in improving the situation. Now if people take that personally, then I think they'd best just stay at home and away from the internet.
But it was fun to see a neutral comment escalate so quickly. :)
Someone will be so physically overwhelmed with ecstasy by this 'premium' announcement that they'll need to change their underwear several times today..
“As you can see, Delta is heavily focused on Italy here, with four of the seven new routes being to the country. I don’t think that’s too surprising, given how hot it has been with American tourists.”
Yes, quite literally so with some of the hottest temperatures, wild fires and droughts…
Oh wow. I recently flew from CTA to London and that airport is a HOT MESS. The lounge (which is the only lounge) was tiny, seated 30 and even that was too many. Interested to see how this goes. One upside is they have some really good food outlets in the main part of the terminal, but once you go through passport control there is one tiny outlet and nowhere near enough space for the pax.
The question is, how many of these routes will last beyond their initial season like we just saw with JFK-MUC...
Too bad DL can't take advantage of SK being part of ST for now. ARN could be a good potential route from some of DL's hubs in the US.
Literally just joined ST a couple of weeks ago, maybe some things are in the works
"Literally just joined ST a couple of weeks ago, maybe some things are in the works"
And yet, they announced all these flights to non-ST hubs, and some hubs which won't be ST anymore in a few years.
you do realize there have been a list of new SK routes and changed equipment which have just announced?
Until DL and SK have antitrust authority and are part of the AF/KL/VS JV, the benefits will be connecting traffic onto each others network on a codeshare basis.
as aircraft are finalized, it will be interesting if DL upgrades its flights to CPH and ARN - there is a possibility that ATI can be received by...
you do realize there have been a list of new SK routes and changed equipment which have just announced?
Until DL and SK have antitrust authority and are part of the AF/KL/VS JV, the benefits will be connecting traffic onto each others network on a codeshare basis.
as aircraft are finalized, it will be interesting if DL upgrades its flights to CPH and ARN - there is a possibility that ATI can be received by the summer.
and SK itself has made it clear that CPH is where they will focus the majority of their longhaul flying. Part of the reason for SK's underperformance is that they didn't have the network size at CPH because they tried to be too many things to too many people - in this case too many government owners.
"the benefits will be connecting traffic onto each others network on a codeshare basis"
None of which has anything to do with my comment about more flights to ARN. But keep yapping you useless word salads if it makes you feel better.
I'm sure AF/KL will get SK in the TATL JV and then some new routes from CPH will be announced. I'm not sure about ARN though, as CPH will be the main long haul hub for SK and, due to the current geopolitical tensions, ARN got a bit lost in a tiny corner of Europe. No long haul for OSL, of course, as that's been a running joke at SK for decades.
With Delta announcing Catania, I wonder whether UA will want to serve the other side of the island and add EWR-PMO, which was announced before covid but never flown.
I wish Delta would do something more substantial from Boston. Their Boston network is piss poor.
feel free to list the number of transatlantic destinations by US airline hub and see where BOS fits into this ranking.
Let us know how many other US carrier hubs have 10 more or transatlantic routes.
and, despite all of the ragging on the 767, DL only flies 767s on 8 hour or longer flights across the Atlantic or to Ireland and east - in considerable contrast to UA which is still using 757s...
feel free to list the number of transatlantic destinations by US airline hub and see where BOS fits into this ranking.
Let us know how many other US carrier hubs have 10 more or transatlantic routes.
and, despite all of the ragging on the 767, DL only flies 767s on 8 hour or longer flights across the Atlantic or to Ireland and east - in considerable contrast to UA which is still using 757s which don't even have direct aisle access in business class.
and even if AA and UA manage to get the XLR going across the Atlantic in 2026, ask any passenger in coach or even premium economy - the majority of passengers if they would rather be in a narrowbody or widebody and I can assure you hands down that the majority of passengers would prefer a widebody - even the 767.
The 767-300 opens new routes esp. heavily leisure routes for DL.
Given how much Americans are willing to pay to go to Europe, DL has a solid growth schedule for the Atlantic for 2025 and solidifies its position as the largest US airline to Europe
Cool new routes by Delta but this might be one of the few times ever when the Level A330 on BCN-BOS is the better product vs the competition. DL 763 screams a big "no thank you"
From what I’ve heard, economy is hell on LEVEL planes. Very little space for your legs and have heard this from short people, only complaints about their service so don’t think it might be better at all. Can’t say much about their first class offerings though (if they have any).
I couldn’t agree more, Danny
Which makes delta’s economy even more abysmal
Does anyone WANT to fly it?
feel free to list the number of routes that UA uses the 757 to fly to Europe then and then let us know what version of "no" those aircraft elicit.
Even this year, DL flew more seat miles across the Atlantic on its widebodies than United did. The UA 757s pushed UA over the top in total size - but at considerably less comfort for everyone on those planes.
Let us know where the crew rest facilities are on the 757 or will be even on the XLR for AA or UA.
As a fa, tell me where the crew facilities are on the 76
Delta has bunks on their 767 fleet for crew.
It’s funny that Tim’s version of great European service comparison is now the UA 752
It’s funny that you think talking about the United 752 is relevant when I brought up the level a330
I guess you agree delta can’t compete with the level a330. We agree for once
Tim even admits the Level a330 is superior to the dl 763
Tim
You don’t disappoint
Don’t quit your day job, Tim
Hard to get excited when it's all 763s.
No SEA or LAX additions as well. Is Delta's on the West Coast really that weak? Even UA can offer multiple Europe destinations from SFO and they aren't just JV hubs.
But in the end, the 767s do the job, because of their durability and their ability to be a best fit for a lot of these transatlantic cities outside of the big ones (London, Paris, Amsterdam, Rome, etc.). Not to mention their superior comfort, especially in Economy, with the better legroom and seat pitch.
Jay gets it.
and the TPAC additions are coming.
DL has 5 hubs in the Eastern US that have 5 or more transatlantic destinations each on their own metal. They don't need to fly to their west coast hubs from Europe esp. since most of their JV partners supplement DL's own service.
Out of the 6 new routes and 1 new destination announced, only JFK-CTA is going daily. Out of the 5 frequency additions, all are 3-4x weekly increase with none being a daily addition. This is in spite the induction of new widebodies and in line with what Delta previously announced that corporate managed travel for the airline is still lagging 2019 levels.
What’s surprising is that the recent SAS takeover by AF/KLM has convinced...
Out of the 6 new routes and 1 new destination announced, only JFK-CTA is going daily. Out of the 5 frequency additions, all are 3-4x weekly increase with none being a daily addition. This is in spite the induction of new widebodies and in line with what Delta previously announced that corporate managed travel for the airline is still lagging 2019 levels.
What’s surprising is that the recent SAS takeover by AF/KLM has convinced Delta to fly 0 additional routes to any JV hubs in this announcement despite the airline insisting that margins are twice as high than non JV hub flying. 5 of the 12 additions are targeting Italy which seems more of reactive growth to the ITA merger rather than accretive growth. Delta lags other legacies in southern Europe and a huge part of that is the lack of a southern European partner which LH Group and IAG have but AF-KLM has lost. So 8 of the 12 additions being in southern Europe is an obvious measure to stay relevant in a growing market where it’s struggling to maintain footing.
2024 is a disappointing year for Delta, and these conservative route announcements probably mean more of the same for 2025.
SK is not part of the JV. Until it is, and that requires an application to the DOT and a deliberation, Copenhagen and Stockholm are markets where Delta and SK cannot engage in most/ any of the typical JV activities, such as revenue sharing, schedule coordination, etc.
One could argue DL not adding flights is a strategic move to avoid attracting regulatory scrutiny for their JV application. On the flip side, SKs recent additions were CPH-SEA/ATL and OSL-JFK. Guess a semi weekly addition to CPH, ARN, or OSL on a 763 is too much plane for DL.
@lucky don’t mean to nitpick but DL also flies to Rome and Dublin from Boston you forgot to mention it under the Dublin and Rome section in your article.
I get that it is by far DL's largest hub and a lot of traffic does get routed through there, but I can't help thinking that for everyone not in the southeast, routing through ATL to Europe just adds time, compared to DTW or MSP for which anywhere west or directly south doesn't involve much backtracking or JFK/BOS for which that is true for nearly all of the US.
BINGO. American carriers please listen up. As someone from lax, I will never go through one of your shitty hubs to fly an inferior aircraft with a layover. Start adding nonstops from the west to Athens, bcn, etc and maybe I’ll consider flying you. I’m not stoping over in Atlanta or jfk
Airlines' response:
"No.
We're not putting two aircraft on a single leisure route other than London, solely to satisfy your personal pettiness, as quite frankly, you don't pay us enough to be worth it."
London is a leisure route??
West Coast to European leisure destinations are tough because they don’t have the connecting traffic from majority of the country like East Coast does.
And at the moment they know you have no other choice from LAX to ATH but to connect on East Coast or Europe.
The question is why would anyone want to take a connection within the USA and have to deal with the rechecking luggage rigmarole. Unless you are flying from/to a small US airport and/or are restricted in your choice of carrier (e.g. because you can only use upgrade vouchers on a specific airline), it makes more sense to connect in Europe.
A LAX to Athens route would do VERY well with a 787 seasonally in summer. SO many people travel to Greece here for vacation and it would be nice to have a nonstop. With that said I will fly Air France virgin or klm ANY DAY over delta and a stop in atl or jfk with their overfilled and dirty lounges
*a330. yes I know delta doesn't fly the 787
Delta can't even sustain London from LAX, good luck with Athens.
I don't think anyone cares if you fly to europe nonstop from LAX then connect there.
But Being blunt, your inter-Europe flight will be a LOT worse than your domestic US flight to a US3 hub to Athens though. But Enjoy the new KLM 28" seat pitch on Amsterdam to Athens lol.
You're whining without realizing which continent has the better domestic product from a hub to connect
Pretty impressive list considering that this is only part of DL's 2025 growth.
As I have said for months, DL has the widebody aircraft coming that will allow it to grow more than AA or UA. 14 new A330-900s and A350s coming this year (most of which are in the 2nd half so not available for growth in the summer) plus 11 more next year - some of which will be available by the...
Pretty impressive list considering that this is only part of DL's 2025 growth.
As I have said for months, DL has the widebody aircraft coming that will allow it to grow more than AA or UA. 14 new A330-900s and A350s coming this year (most of which are in the 2nd half so not available for growth in the summer) plus 11 more next year - some of which will be available by the summer.
DL is doubling down on growing its hubs and spreading the top destinations across as many of them as possible. DL simply has more hubs that can support extensive transatlantic service than any US airline.
DL has long been the largest carrier from the US to Southern Europe and this list of new flights ensures that will not change. Southern Europe has benefitted enormously by the amount of tourism from the US while some parts of Europe such as Germany have been in recession or are just barely above flatline.
MSP is doing well with yet another destination while the clear focus on new destinations for BOS shows that it is becoming an even bigger part of DL's network.
ATL is not only the largest transatlantic hub in the US outside of the NE but also the most global with more service to more of the world than any other hub.
Doing less than daily service allows DL to focus on the best days of the week for travel and to grow the market later.
The most notable takeaway with the increases in service from ATL to BCN, FCO and ATH is that those routes have had the high capacity ex-Latam A350s and those aircraft are very likely headed in for mods in the next few weeks. They were the biggest aircraft on DL's fleet in terms of seats so adding further capacity increases the number of business class and Premium Select seats while keeping economy seats fairly constant.
2025 will be yet another industry-leading year for DL.
9 paragraphs on Delta!!! wow, tim. slow friday?
Though you conveniently left out the wide body retirements next year offsetting some of the new wide bodies. But still net growth
Enjoy your special day. I hope it makes you less of a curmudgeon than usual
Delta is not retiring anywhere close to 24 767s in the next 2 years, Max.
You can't accept that DL has enormously more growth capacity than AA, UA or B6 so you harp on the 767s which you then acknowledge are being retired
Do you wake up in the night sore from how bad you twist logic?
It’s like you either can’t read or just choose to be stupid and read what isn’t written there
I’m not sure which it is
Yes not just for DL but AA annd UA too, Americans are flocking to Europe like crazy, there’s a reason US airlines are expanding service to Europe and European airlines are expanding service to the US. Also the type of Americans that are taking holidays to Europe is becoming more diverse…..I’m seeing more upwardly mobile African/Black Americans and college kids. The Greek islands are becoming huge magnets for groups of African American female groups taking...
Yes not just for DL but AA annd UA too, Americans are flocking to Europe like crazy, there’s a reason US airlines are expanding service to Europe and European airlines are expanding service to the US. Also the type of Americans that are taking holidays to Europe is becoming more diverse…..I’m seeing more upwardly mobile African/Black Americans and college kids. The Greek islands are becoming huge magnets for groups of African American female groups taking ‘girls trips’ and cities with lots of history e.g Athens, Istanbul, Budapest are popular with college kids and resort destinations are becoming increasingly popular with Asian American families. The US-Europe has always been a huge and dynamic market but the changes it’s going through in recent times and especially since Covid has become an interesting and fun one to watch.
This is fantastic news! Now I can fly the world's premier carrier when I go visit all those Roman bathhouses.
ATL-BRU and BRU-ATL used to be a daily service for Delta together with JFK-BRU until the ATL service was suspended a couple of years ago. Glad to see it back; let's hope it will increase back to daily soon. Never understood why it was gone anyway.
It was suspended due to the pandemic, but yes surprised it took so long to come back. Atlanta-Brussels was one of Deltas longest serving and best performing transatlantic routes, lots of high-yielding traffic up front (lots of manufacturing and trade ties between Belgium and the state of Georgia and south-eastern US as a whole), in fact the old SN (sabena) was the first foreign airline to serve ATL back in the late 70’s and flew...
It was suspended due to the pandemic, but yes surprised it took so long to come back. Atlanta-Brussels was one of Deltas longest serving and best performing transatlantic routes, lots of high-yielding traffic up front (lots of manufacturing and trade ties between Belgium and the state of Georgia and south-eastern US as a whole), in fact the old SN (sabena) was the first foreign airline to serve ATL back in the late 70’s and flew it until just before they went under in 2001. Not sure when Delta started serving the route but I’m sure it was sometime in the 90’s so ATL-BRU was 2x daily when SN was serving the route, also when Delta started refurbing the 767’s with the current product ATL along with JFK-BRU was one of the first routes to receive it so obviously before the pandemic a high yield route and destination for them. So let’s see if the traffic the route served before the pandemic is still there as if it is I wouldn’t be surprised to see it expand beyond 3x week and get better equipment (764 with their ‘DL one lite suite’).
When I travel between Brussels & the US I usually take the train to CDG (just over an hour from central Brussels) instead of flying from BRU. With the massive service DL & AF offer at CDG, they don’t need so many flights at BRU to serve the market.
So essentially Delta just swaped New York with Detroit in Munich, without increasing or decreasing service from MUC.
What planes are going to be used in this routes A350's and A330's ?
DL bulking up Italy even more, as ITA will be exiting SkyTeam (not that they are strong partners, but the ties are there).
CTA is great add. Will be especially useful for those who want to start somewhere else in Italy, fly to CTA for a few days of sun/beach, and then fly home directly.
100%. not a destination super on the radar but sounds nice