Delta Air Lines has just become the first US airline to report its quarterly financial results for Q1 2025. This is obviously something with a lot of implications, since Delta often sets the tone for what we can expect from the rest of the industry. The company’s results are… roughly what you’d expect, given everything going on, but could definitely be worse.
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Delta Q1 2025 financial results meet lowered expectations
In early January 2025, Delta CEO Ed Bastian stated that he expected 2025 to be the company’s most profitable year ever. However, the vibes quickly changed. Two months later, in March, Delta significantly slashed its guidance for Q1 2025, warning of sinking consumer confidence. That was before markets totally crashed as a result of tariffs.
With Delta now reporting its Q1 2025 results, how did the airline do? The bottom line is that pre-tax income was $382 million, just marginally higher than last year’s pre-tax income of $380 million.
For Q1 2025, Delta reported operating revenue of $13 billion, 3.3% higher than it was last year, and operating income of $591 million (a 4.6% margin).
For what it’s worth, Delta initially expected a 6-8% margin for the quarter, and the updated guidance several weeks back was for a 4-5% margin. Meanwhile Delta initially expected revenue growth of 7-9%, but updated that guidance to 3-4%. So the actual results were in line with those updated expectations, which were admittedly very disappointing to investors at the time.
I don’t think that should be a surprise, since the updated guidance came just a few weeks before the end of the quarter, and during the busy spring break travel period.
Here’s how Delta CEO Ed Bastian describes these results:
“While the first quarter unfolded differently than initially expected, we delivered solid profitability that was flat to prior year and is expected to lead the industry. I would like to thank our people for their outstanding performance and hard work during the quarter.”
“With broad economic uncertainty around global trade, growth has largely stalled. In this slower-growth environment, we are protecting margins and cash flow by focusing on what we can control. This includes reducing planned capacity growth in the second half of the year to flat over last year while actively managing costs and capital expenditures.”

Delta CEO criticizes Trump tariffs for causing uncertainty
Delta has provided its guidance for Q2 2025, and it’s quite a range. The airline expects year over year revenue growth to be anywhere from down 2% to up 2%, with an operating margin of 11-14%. Keep in mind that the second quarter is typically strong for airlines, as it’s also when we see the start of the transatlantic summer rush. With the current uncertainty, Delta’s focus is on controlling capacity in order to maintain margins.
However, the airline is stating that it’s too early to issue an updated guidance for the entire year, given the level of uncertainty. As Bastian describes this:
“We expect June quarter profitability of $1.5 to $2 billion. Given the lack of economic clarity, it is premature at this time to provide an updated full-year outlook. Given our position of strength, our bias toward action and the decline in fuel prices, Delta remains well positioned to deliver solid profitability and free cash flow for the year. I expect that our financial results will continue to lead the industry and validate our strategy to create differentiation and greater financial durability.”
In an interview with CNBC, Bastian has called Trump’s tariff policy “the wrong approach.” In the same interview, Bastian indicated that “in the last six weeks, we’ve seen a corresponding reduction in broad consumer confidence and corporate confidence,” and that while January was “quite good,” things “really started to slow down” in mid-February.

Bottom line
Given that it sort of feels like the world economy is tanking, Delta’s financial results are about as good as we could’ve expected. Admittedly many investors were shocked several weeks back, when Delta updated its guidance to warn of a significant reduction in revenue and margins for the quarter, compared to previous forecasts. But that’s exactly what Delta delivered.
At the same time, the outlook remains relatively strong, or at least it could seem worse, given all that’s going on. It’s anyone’s guess how everything is about to play out. Delta futures are trading up slightly, so I think that sums up the vibe of these results.
What do you make of Delta’s Q1 2025 results, and outlook?
Politically tainted excuse, like some of the comments for this posting.
Criticizing the president and criticizing his policies are not the same. Delta’s CEO comments were not anti Trump, but only in disagreement with some of his policies.
Shame on you for your subliminal anti Trump posts. You are only endulgung liberals and anti Americans, while alienating everyone else. Sad, the left only believes in conflict. You are probably a MSNBC potato couch.
They are quite literally the same. If you are criticising ‘his’ policies that ‘he’ created and ‘he’ is in charge of then you are criticizing ‘him’.
Timmy D now temporarily banned. THANK you Ben!
I’m late to the party and just starting to go through all the comments.
Is he really banned? Will the comments section be an area that is calmer and more open to rational discussion, all with posts under 1,000 words? I hope so! lol
Screw the investors. Passengers and the crew make the airlines. Stop crying over unspilt milk. This is all ludicrous. Btw, the markets didn’t crash. Delta needs to put on their rose colored and reality glasses to appreciate the positive side, there is a profit. There is a profit plus it’s only Q1. SMH. Delta needs to worry more about making their service much more customer service oriented AND their wifi product better like United and Hawaiian…
Will DO really be the only US airline left, that i can fly in the future?! :-o
The only company in the air, that has cc the guts to speak freely, not such a puss*licker company as most others?
RESPECT!
If the US population does not watch out, soon your freedom of speech will be at high risk, SEEMS like, NOBODY has learned from the past :-( Oh wow! ?
I’ve been reading this comment section long enough to notice a pattern — and I’m just going to say the quiet part out loud: Tim Dunn is usually right, and half of you lose your damn minds every time he is.
The second he posts anything with actual data, context, or industry logic, there’s an immediate swarm of the usual suspects — calling him names, screaming “alter ego!” like it’s Scooby-Doo, and trying to shout...
I’ve been reading this comment section long enough to notice a pattern — and I’m just going to say the quiet part out loud: Tim Dunn is usually right, and half of you lose your damn minds every time he is.
The second he posts anything with actual data, context, or industry logic, there’s an immediate swarm of the usual suspects — calling him names, screaming “alter ego!” like it’s Scooby-Doo, and trying to shout down reality. It’s almost impressive how allergic some of you are to informed analysis. You don’t want facts — you want a support group for coping with Delta’s continued success.
I’m not Tim. I don’t know Tim. But I do know that if he weren’t hitting nerves, you wouldn’t be dedicating half the thread to deranged IP address theories and middle school-level insults. You don’t argue his points — you just try to discredit the person making them. That says everything.
So yes, Delta landed more engine overhaul work. Yes, they’re still outmaneuvering the industry. Yes, their financials are strong while others are making excuses. And yes, someone pointing that out — be it me, Tim, or anyone else — isn’t the enemy. Your denial is.
If your worldview depends on Delta failing for your preferred airline to succeed, maybe it’s time to rethink your worldview. Or at the very least, get over the fact that Tim Dunn keeps being right while you keep posting "gotchas" that never land.
Hahaha you cannot make this up, "Nick W" says "Tim Dunn is usually right".
"Nick W" is really just telling the world he's Tim Dunn on another computer. You can pretend you're not him or you're equally as delusional as him. Every accusation is a confession with this clown "Nick W".
"Nick W" says "I'm not Tim, I just think he's always right and Delta is the best airline, and I'll type out a five paragraph word salad to defend him".
Clown-world behavior. Either you are him or as delusional as him.
I hardly think so 'yoloswag420'
talk about a clown
oooh. And just like Aero before him, the day after Tim's rants about "registered members", Nick all of a sudden has a new profile with a super handsome fake profile photo. ;)
Tim, did you start drinking early today?
Nick,
Try not to do 1,000 word replies to Tim perfectly formatted after 3 minutes.
You lose credibility unless you're an AI generated response (aka. just like your profile photo lol)
This does just get sadder and sadder, Tim
"nick W": Tim is a genius
yolo swag: 452pm: "tim is Nick W"
5.00pm: "NickW 'New member'" "I'm not Tim"
You really can't make this stuff up lol
Tim, this is so ridiculous even for you.
About the only thing going for you is how anyone could actually be this stupid even attaching an AI photo of a Russian straight out of "rambo 2" as their profile photo. How MAGA are you, Tim?
Unfortunately for you plane jane, I am in fact of german descent.
Amen
This is the biggest self-report I've seen in ages, "aero" and "NickW" creating back to back fake registered accounts because people have finally caught on to their antics.
"NickW" is just another TD alt account that has no credibility and cannot be taken seriously.
in the revenue dept., DL just announced that it will do additional engine overhauls for UPS.
and Pratt and Whitney announced that DL Tech Ops is one of two companies that have agreed to expand overhaul capacity to get aircraft with faulty GTF engines back in service.
DL has contracts to overhaul nearly all new generation engine families in the US carrier fleet except for the GEnx engine on the 787.
I am sure...
in the revenue dept., DL just announced that it will do additional engine overhauls for UPS.
and Pratt and Whitney announced that DL Tech Ops is one of two companies that have agreed to expand overhaul capacity to get aircraft with faulty GTF engines back in service.
DL has contracts to overhaul nearly all new generation engine families in the US carrier fleet except for the GEnx engine on the 787.
I am sure we will hear how from other airline fanbrats how unfair it is that Delta gets revenue and profits from engine overhauls which will only grow over the next couple of years - DL says it expects $5 billion in revenue and a billion more in profits in 5 years from MRO work, mostly new generation engine work.
you did it!!!! we're above 100!
You don't disappoint. Neither do your fake accounts.
so who is using your user name right now?
You still aren't smart enough to register your name.
You clearly aren't interested in having any sort of accountability by using either your real name or providing a verifiable email address.
I am always willing to discuss relevant topics which is of no interest to you and a few others because you are incapable of understanding anything other than attacking other people.
If Ben...
so who is using your user name right now?
You still aren't smart enough to register your name.
You clearly aren't interested in having any sort of accountability by using either your real name or providing a verifiable email address.
I am always willing to discuss relevant topics which is of no interest to you and a few others because you are incapable of understanding anything other than attacking other people.
If Ben wins, I am happy.
and the stock market has added back a couple trillion dollars of wealth over the past 90 minutes - all of which took place after Delta's earnings call.
is this really your new tack?
Unable to defend your own stupid claims but now attacking whether users are registered or not?
I said when it wasn't me yesterday.
I have no idea who that was. And like I said. I don't care. Frankly, you don't either. I say that... you registered two today to attempt credibility.
I know who your fake accounts are though. It isn't tough to figure out, Tim.
The...
is this really your new tack?
Unable to defend your own stupid claims but now attacking whether users are registered or not?
I said when it wasn't me yesterday.
I have no idea who that was. And like I said. I don't care. Frankly, you don't either. I say that... you registered two today to attempt credibility.
I know who your fake accounts are though. It isn't tough to figure out, Tim.
The only liar is your claiming you don't have any.
But this is an entertaining new low. A guy that has, at least 3 other fake user names, 2 registered, and now seems incapable of replying to "guest" users after using them for years.
Let's ask this age old question again, Tim.
Is Tim Dunn your real name? You've claimed to have met Gary Leff under that name?
What's your name? Is Tim Dunn your real name? I have SOOOO many links I could post of you saying it is (and laughing at anyone that thinks it is) but we all know it is not.
"and the stock market has added back a couple trillion dollars of wealth over the past 90 minutes - all of which took place after Delta's earnings call."
And you claiming the stock market under the guise of Delta. You do not disappoint.
on a separate note, you really think any of us care that DL gets a new engine overhaul deal from UPS?
They both fly the 767 that should've been retired (in Delta's case), long ago.
And yeah. They don't have the 787 contract because Delta doesn't fly it. You don't even seem to know much about what Delta has and does not have. Delta "CAN" overhaul a lot of engines. They don't overhaul...
on a separate note, you really think any of us care that DL gets a new engine overhaul deal from UPS?
They both fly the 767 that should've been retired (in Delta's case), long ago.
And yeah. They don't have the 787 contract because Delta doesn't fly it. You don't even seem to know much about what Delta has and does not have. Delta "CAN" overhaul a lot of engines. They don't overhaul most of them in the world despite having a great engine overhaul program. Tim, This is why you're ridiculed. Anyone that knows the market can quickly realize how little you know about what you spout.
Great for Delta, just weird that you're actually this simplistic to think people care about Delta in terms of grown business or not.
Everyone just thinks you and your multiple fake accounts are annoying. And you seem to think you have some sense of cleverness about it all that is amusing but stupid.
But, it's also why you were banned by airliners.net for your multiple accounts. Track records matter, Tim.
Oh, Plane Jane, always arriving at the gate of a conversation with all the grace of a gear-up landing.
You really thought you did something here, didn’t you? Spinning out your little anti-Delta tirade like you’re briefing a room full of execs, when in reality, it’s just you, a keyboard, and an overestimation of your industry IQ. You don’t care about the Delta-UPS engine deal? That’s fine. But pretending no one does just because you...
Oh, Plane Jane, always arriving at the gate of a conversation with all the grace of a gear-up landing.
You really thought you did something here, didn’t you? Spinning out your little anti-Delta tirade like you’re briefing a room full of execs, when in reality, it’s just you, a keyboard, and an overestimation of your industry IQ. You don’t care about the Delta-UPS engine deal? That’s fine. But pretending no one does just because you don’t? That’s not insight—it’s delusion with a keyboard shortcut.
And ah yes, the 767 talking point again—classic. It’s like your version of “hello.” We get it. You’ve decided that if a plane isn’t the latest widebody from Boeing or Airbus, it’s worthless. Never mind that Delta’s maintenance strategy—unlike your opinions—is actually profitable. But thank you for your unsolicited TED Talk on fleet management. I’m sure Ed Bastian is furiously taking notes.
Your “they don’t fly the 787” revelation? Wow. Stunning. Earth-shattering. It's right up there with “water is wet” and “the sky is blue.” Delta doesn’t fly the 787 because they chose not to, not because they weren’t invited to the party. But hey, thanks for clarifying that for the three people left who weren’t already aware.
And then we get to the emotional core of your post—your obsession with Tim. This isn’t a debate for you, it’s a vendetta. The engine deal wasn’t what triggered you—it was the fact that Tim exists and dares to post in a forum you don’t control. You accuse him of using multiple accounts while posting under the digital equivalent of a witness protection alias: Guest. Irony called. It wants its punchline back.
Let’s be honest: no one’s ridiculing Tim because he supports Delta. They’re ridiculing you, Jane, for coming back every few weeks like a bad in-flight meal, spewing the same reheated takes and pretending it's gourmet commentary.
So yes, track records matter. That’s exactly why Delta’s building multi-million dollar deals while you’re busy rage-posting in a guest account. The difference between Tim and you? He’s annoying and informed. You’re just... here.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
@Extraordinary1 enters the building
Right after Tim uses the word "extraordinary" and somehow the new user agrees with everything Tim says.
Tim, when I said you should find new alter egos since your current ones are exposed, I meant to make it a challenge when you use fake usernames.
here's one for you.
You and an extraordinary pain in the backside and add absolutely nothing to the conversation.
Is your life really that empty that you spend how after hour waiting for me to post so you can then proceed to trash me?
What a pAAthetic person you are.
yes. Your naming me as "Pain Jane" made that clear. ;)
Who knows what you're trying to "sAAy", but it's amusing. Everyone thinks you're a delta schtick. It's like you grasp at straws hoping someone LOVES AA or United then are disappointed when they aren't.
but noble attempt to pass along your own critiques since no one finds you credible about your beloved Delta. You know you actually make people NOT want to fly Delta,...
yes. Your naming me as "Pain Jane" made that clear. ;)
Who knows what you're trying to "sAAy", but it's amusing. Everyone thinks you're a delta schtick. It's like you grasp at straws hoping someone LOVES AA or United then are disappointed when they aren't.
but noble attempt to pass along your own critiques since no one finds you credible about your beloved Delta. You know you actually make people NOT want to fly Delta, right?
"Is your life really that empty that you spend how after hour waiting for me to post so you can then proceed to trash me?"
You mean, replying to you? The guy that clicked "refresh" for an hour to reply to me 3 minutes after I wrote something? Time stamps don't lie Tim/Aero/Nick/Extraordinary1
OMAAT traffic was down 29% in March but Ben still attracts enough traffic for 3 people to post on his site in 5 minutes from all over the world.
Congratulations on not using the word "idiot" in a post. We are making progress.
If you think anyone makes a travel decision based on comments anyone makes, you clearly had one too many martinis for lunch
"OMAAT traffic was down 29% in March but Ben still attracts enough traffic for 3 people to post on his site in 5 minutes from all over the world."
I love that you monitor this in your free time.
Keep Calling me "pain Jane". It's funny and it amuses me, Tim. Your jokes are pretty lame.
Also,
I sort of love how you admit that you just made him up by being mad that you got exposed.
We're close to 100 comments!
Tim and his legion of alter egos rarely disappoint!
Can't you see I'm trying here.
Ben needs his $$$$$.
Delta's results are excellent - maybe not PERFECT - but excellent. I'm thinking that most CEOs would be critical of government policies they feel interfere with their ability to produce the results they want. That's not a personal attack - as some want to make it appear to be. Not to mention the fact that there's also the First Amendment right to "... petition the government for a redress of grievances" that Mr. Bastian is properly exercising.
extraordinarily well said.
and Trump's latest move to work this out over time is exactly what the market wanted.
EVERY company's leaders have a right to speak about what it thinks is good for their company.
Trump heard the concerns of tens of thousands of business leaders and is taking a more measured approach.
Trillions of dollars of stock market wealth and the potential for enormous inflation other than for Chinese produced goods has been...
extraordinarily well said.
and Trump's latest move to work this out over time is exactly what the market wanted.
EVERY company's leaders have a right to speak about what it thinks is good for their company.
Trump heard the concerns of tens of thousands of business leaders and is taking a more measured approach.
Trillions of dollars of stock market wealth and the potential for enormous inflation other than for Chinese produced goods has been allayed.
Understanding that reality is not MAGA or any label but simple reality
and stock markets are soaring based on news that Trump is putting a 90 day pause on reciprocal tariffs except for on China.
Most US airlines are up by double digit percentages with DAL and UAL leading the industry with near 19% gains.
Boeing is up 12%
Trump is responding to the markets.
Summer for airlines might be saved after all.
You know Tim.
If you actually predict the market before the news hits the public.
It might make you look less like a fool.
This whole comment section chronologically is just proof how fool of fluff you are.
I'm not interested in prognosticating nor do I try.
I do understand basic business principles which you clearly don't do.
If you remotely follow news or business, there were all kinds of alerts that went off with the news of Trump's pause on tariffs at the exact same time that you were writing your usual drivel.
You can't stand that others understand what is going on so you attack them.
JUST
WALK
AWAY
Well rather than wasting time to flex my alerts on a travel blog.
I actually made transactions BEFORE mocking you here Tim.
And many here would agree that you don't understand business principles. But you're good at fluff useless most of the time, and that we all agree.
So this just walk away thing the new living rent free catch phrase?
Tim, you know less about politics and economics than you do about airlines. Trump was not responding to the stock market alone. He was responding to the meltdown in the bond marke, the anger of even his most ardent MAGA supporters, a GOP Senate finally calling out his recklessness, and approval ratings that were in the toilet.
But I do feel sorry for you, Tim. It must be hard when you are a sychofant...
Tim, you know less about politics and economics than you do about airlines. Trump was not responding to the stock market alone. He was responding to the meltdown in the bond marke, the anger of even his most ardent MAGA supporters, a GOP Senate finally calling out his recklessness, and approval ratings that were in the toilet.
But I do feel sorry for you, Tim. It must be hard when you are a sychofant to Ed Bastian who criticizes another man who you are a sychofant to--Donald Trump.
There is one big difference between your two heroes--Ed actually makes rational decisions and has a grasp of reality while Donald is clueless--he surrounds himself with advisers that would fit in to the Star Wars bar scene, allows his co-president Elon Musk to destroy large swarths of the federal government, and, in the week where trillions of dollars were lost (destroying 401ks and IRAs of people who fly in the back of the plane), he plays golf and claims he won yet another championship.
Indeed, Tim, you must have had that tingling sensation when Trump, responding to the millions of men and women who saw their lifesavings in danger, told them to stop being Panicans (a fictitious party of weak and stupid people that Trump created).
You can replace MAGA with Delta and magically turn Trump into Tim Dunn.
Same magic works when you replace tariff with premium.
you simply highlight that you are incapable of critically thinking so call people names and put labels on them which you and you alone designed.
See above.
do you bother to look at any news outside of airline social media?
Many of us only call you names Tim.
That's because you're the fluffiest hypocrite on this site.
One moment you critizise MAGA now you applaud him.
You are incapable of understanding that business people do what is in their best interest and highlight what works - which is Delta for the airline industry.
You and most other people here cannot understand issues so you throw labels and names hoping that the rest of the sheep will find you humorous while all you do is prove it is YOU that are clueless even as you throw that label as others.
JUST
WALK
AWAY
Tim Dunn is an insufferable cuck.
Why is he getting involved in politics criticizing Trump, it is highly unprofessional behaviour. It is incredibly arrogant and disrespectful, for an airline to get so political. Shame I used to like Delta, I am boycotting them until he apologizes or the board sack this liberal snob.
CEOs like predictability. Trump is the exact opposite of that.
Please, what Ed said was the truth and not political at all. Jumping wildly to the conclusion that he needs to apologize shows your ignorance and likely your political bias. Democracy only thrives when both ordinary citizens as well as CEOs can call out actions they feel the president has made hurting their business or personal finances.
The politics of grievance. Senator Mitch McConnell said that many MAGA supporters see themselves as good & question why they're not successful. Someone must be cheating them out of success rather than admit their own shortcomings. Government spending as a percentage of GDP has steadily declined & government employment as a percentage of population is HALF of what it was a generation ago. Estimates of government fraud are roughly 1.5 percent.
disregarding all but the last sentence, do you have any idea how much 1.5% of government spending is?
It is far more than the profits of the entire industry.
and the economic uncertainty isn't about DOGE or government job cuts.
It is about trade.
and for all of the people here that are desperate to find fault with DL's CEO for sucking up to Trump and now having to backtrack, it will be...
disregarding all but the last sentence, do you have any idea how much 1.5% of government spending is?
It is far more than the profits of the entire industry.
and the economic uncertainty isn't about DOGE or government job cuts.
It is about trade.
and for all of the people here that are desperate to find fault with DL's CEO for sucking up to Trump and now having to backtrack, it will be manufacturing companies that will be most hurt.
Apple has been replaced by Microsoft as the largest company in the world by market volume. Manufacturing companies will be extraordinarily hard hit.
Airlines are simply the first victims of economic uncertainty but Americans that live off of the service sector and can either curb their purchases of foreign goods or pay higher prices will do fine.
It is companies that heavily rely on imported goods that will suffer the most.
Companies like Delta that can navigate yet another set of economic challenges will come out on top
@Tim Dunn have you heard of domino effect? In 2008 ONLY financial companies were hit and yet the WHOLE economy collapsed. It is not about tariffs. It is about the uncertainty and complete lack of basic understanding of economy that is the issue. Tariffs are just the symptom and not the root cause.
This administration is completely clueless on economics 101 and the everyday Americans will pay for it. So, please just shut the hell...
@Tim Dunn have you heard of domino effect? In 2008 ONLY financial companies were hit and yet the WHOLE economy collapsed. It is not about tariffs. It is about the uncertainty and complete lack of basic understanding of economy that is the issue. Tariffs are just the symptom and not the root cause.
This administration is completely clueless on economics 101 and the everyday Americans will pay for it. So, please just shut the hell up. Focus on Delta, at least you make some sense there.
Typical Tim Dunn (if that's his real name) - comparing apples to hammers.
But management will never blame themselves for tons of unprofitable flying that they try to offset with credit card and loyalty program income. So cry me a river.
And by the way all trading partners are willing to come to the table except China and even China will need to make amends.
Delta even blamed CrowdStrike, the vendor of their choice, for how they mishandled stranded passengers longer than other airlines.
While the CEO was having fun and Champagne in Paris.
and AS and UA blamed Boeing for the MAX 9 groundings.
and Delta STILL made more money in the 3rd quarter when the CRWD meltdown occurred than any other airline including UA whose execs touted how well they prepare for every inevitability = but still cancelled half the number of flights due to CRWD as DL did.
Your idiocy sinks to new levels. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY
step back from your incessant crAAp throwing long...
and AS and UA blamed Boeing for the MAX 9 groundings.
and Delta STILL made more money in the 3rd quarter when the CRWD meltdown occurred than any other airline including UA whose execs touted how well they prepare for every inevitability = but still cancelled half the number of flights due to CRWD as DL did.
Your idiocy sinks to new levels. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY
step back from your incessant crAAp throwing long enough to think through the implications of what you write.
no, it is patently false that China is the only country that is not coming to the table.
and it is precisely because China isn't coming to the table that the world is on such pins and needles. The global economy was built on China being the manufacturing center for the world and Trump, right or wrong, says it is time for that to end.
China's entire economy is built around manufacturing for the...
no, it is patently false that China is the only country that is not coming to the table.
and it is precisely because China isn't coming to the table that the world is on such pins and needles. The global economy was built on China being the manufacturing center for the world and Trump, right or wrong, says it is time for that to end.
China's entire economy is built around manufacturing for the world and no other place(s) can take that slack up.
The world simply cannot replace the manufacturing capacity that China has had in even 4 years.
Consumer goods prices will go up.
Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan - the US' largest Asian trading partners are negotiating and will come up w/ agreements. They need US defense and they need their manufacturing to continue. There is plenty that the US can supply them including hydrocarbon energy.
Europe and Canada will figure out that they will be hurt more than the US.
as for your charge of unprofitable flying, you love to put a big circle around credit card revenue as if DL is doing something that no one else isn't also doing.
DL, as usual, has simply perfected the same strategies that other carriers also use - but don't do as well.
The DOT has yet to release 4th quarter financials for the US airline industry but AA did not make money flying the Atlantic or Pacific in the first 3 months of 2024. Latin is the only region where they consistently show profits - far higher than domestic in all but the 2nd quarter of 2024.
AND LET'T NOT FORGET THAT UNITED HAD A ONE BILLION LABOR COST ADVANTAGE IN 2024. NEARLY EVERY UNITED NON-PILOT UNIONIZED EMPLOYEE WILL BE WORKING UNDER AMENDABLE CONTRACTS BY THIS SUMMER.
UA made less than half of what DL made on international flying despite having a far larger international route system.
UA operates its international network as a vanity project.
it is American that CONSISTENTLY operates large portions of its network at a loss while United makes far less than Delta even with a massive labor cost advantage.
do try and get the basic facts right, George
Well I do in fact have my facts right. Now I know why most of this forum puts you down. You are telling me airlines make a ton of money on flying? Really? And by the way tariffs didn't hit to the very end of the first quarter. No go away and let the adults talk.
Finally George, congratulations.
Tim has been doing this for ages on other forums too.
If you read only 1 of his comments only few would see his fluff immediately.
But with several comments anyone can spot his fluff.
Now he's calling names on anyone who tries to expose ChatGPTim and his alter ego.
Soon he'll be assemble the alter ego team Timvengers. Led by Nick W.ury and the organization D.E.L.T.A.
Iron Dunn
Thundergod Thim
Finally George, congratulations.
Tim has been doing this for ages on other forums too.
If you read only 1 of his comments only few would see his fluff immediately.
But with several comments anyone can spot his fluff.
Now he's calling names on anyone who tries to expose ChatGPTim and his alter ego.
Soon he'll be assemble the alter ego team Timvengers. Led by Nick W.ury and the organization D.E.L.T.A.
Iron Dunn
Thundergod Thim
The incredible Dunnk
AnteroB13a Man
Captain Ameritim.
The only certainty is that 12 months from now, when the full scope of the damage inflicted by Trump and supporters like Ed Bastian becomes apparent and undeniable, there will be a small, vulnerable, and totally uninvolved group that will be blamed. There has to be a group that Trump and his sycophants can point to and blame for horrible choices, it's just a matter of who that will be. No one who is causing...
The only certainty is that 12 months from now, when the full scope of the damage inflicted by Trump and supporters like Ed Bastian becomes apparent and undeniable, there will be a small, vulnerable, and totally uninvolved group that will be blamed. There has to be a group that Trump and his sycophants can point to and blame for horrible choices, it's just a matter of who that will be. No one who is causing or enabling this damage will accept even a hint of accountability. Ed is doing what all of Trumps supporters and donors will be doing throughout 2025, adjusting his story to obscure his bad choices and piss poor judgement. As has been said many times, eventually no one will admit to having supported any of this.
Noted investment personality Jim Cramer, a staunch supporter of Trump, is vocally opposed to what Trump is doing and has said he feels as if he has been played a sucker. Swing voters must feel the same. He's frozen already approved for Carolina hurricane relief. WTF? He won't cut disabled veterans benefits -- guess what. He won't cut Social Security -- guess what. He won't cut emergency food programs -- guess what.
unlike "another Steve" above you, you understand that a whole lot of people supported Trump until he rolled out his policies.
There isn't a soul in Washington outside of Trump's inner circle that had any idea how big his tariffs would be until they were released.
There isn't a CEO that will say this is good for the economy.
It simply highlights how many low intelligence people participate in social media when they work...
unlike "another Steve" above you, you understand that a whole lot of people supported Trump until he rolled out his policies.
There isn't a soul in Washington outside of Trump's inner circle that had any idea how big his tariffs would be until they were released.
There isn't a CEO that will say this is good for the economy.
It simply highlights how many low intelligence people participate in social media when they work overtime trying to throw dirt at one of the first CEOs to report its financials.
@Timm Dunn
>There isn't a soul in Washington outside of Trump's inner circle that had any idea how big his tariffs would be until they were released.
We literally saw him put massive tariffs on base materials and finished products from China in his first term. Trump was saying during his campaign for 2024 that he wanted to institute steep tariffs to raise revenue a-la McKinley, and was railing against "trade deficits" even though...
@Timm Dunn
>There isn't a soul in Washington outside of Trump's inner circle that had any idea how big his tariffs would be until they were released.
We literally saw him put massive tariffs on base materials and finished products from China in his first term. Trump was saying during his campaign for 2024 that he wanted to institute steep tariffs to raise revenue a-la McKinley, and was railing against "trade deficits" even though he clearly had no idea what the term meant. A vast majority of economists said straight up that his tariff plan would not raise revenue and would not bring back manufacturing, all it would do is raise prices for Americans. All of this was KNOWN prior to election day. Anybody who says they didn't see this coming was being willfully blind. Half the country called this correctly, the other half was deluding themselves that a man who famously hates being told "no" would make the mistake of surrounding himself with people who would tell him "no" this time.
The percentages were stated throughout the campaign Tim. That’s why people said it was a bad idea at the time.
Read on Bloomberg:
"Air France cutting fares to keep TATL budget seats full"
Good news for some of us if true …. thank you for the heads-up RB.
This is the fresh air that Ed wanted, now let's see what Ed can do when the American free market economy is turned loose from Sleepy Joe's woke socialist agenda. No excuses now Ed, you got everything you asked for, let's see those results!
But, tariffs are not consistent with a free market economy. Major Trump supporters and prominent conservatives have roundly criticized the tariffs. Bill Ackman, Jim Cramer, Jamie Dimon, Koch Family. Conservative economists uniformly oppose the tariffs.
Smart people I am sure. I am just a simple person trying to understand why, if they oppose tariffs, they would have advocated for a person who made blanket 20% tariffs a key element of their economic platform throughout the campaign. 4-D chess probably, brilliant minds at work.
The leopards will never eat "my" face.
Just a reminder to everyone...
> Delta CEO says Trump administration's approach to regulation could be 'breath of fresh air'
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/delta-ceo-trump-regulation.html
DL may take the opportunity to retire some of its older fleet rather than parking them in the desert for months.
DL used more than half of its 2024 new deliveries to retire aircraft including 763s, 757s and A320s. They already guided that 2025 will be similar.
The Geared Turbofan engine issues are being resolved - and DL, as expected, appears to be returning aircraft to service faster than other carriers since DL has the maintenance overall licenses from Pratt and Whitney for the GTF. Just as with airlines like NK and B6 that have proportionately...
DL used more than half of its 2024 new deliveries to retire aircraft including 763s, 757s and A320s. They already guided that 2025 will be similar.
The Geared Turbofan engine issues are being resolved - and DL, as expected, appears to be returning aircraft to service faster than other carriers since DL has the maintenance overall licenses from Pratt and Whitney for the GTF. Just as with airlines like NK and B6 that have proportionately much larger percentages of their fleets grounded due to the GTF issues, DL effectively will be gaining more capacity as those aircraft are returned to service.
and given that all of DL's scheduled 2025 deliveries are coming from Airbus, they will likely not take delivery of those aircraft until the tariff issue is resolved.
but let's be clear that the 787 also has high percentages of content from European suppliers so not even that airplane is "safe" - and the impact to Boeing could be larger than to Airbus given that the 787 is assembled in the US meaning that every 787 will see higher costs whether Boeing passes them along or not.
That aside DL still fly the B717 and 30 year old 757’s I understand it’s totally perception but for a lot of flyers DL does have a reputation for not flying the most modern or youngest fleet along with United which is at the bottom of the list.
Personally, I see the tariffs as a much-needed correction, not a crisis. Delta’s Q1 performance didn’t collapse — it held steady — because the company was forced to confront its own overconfident growth projections. I actually think that’s a win.
To me, the tariffs are doing what the market wouldn’t: pushing companies to get leaner, more disciplined, and less addicted to endless expansion. I don’t buy the hand-wringing about “uncertainty” — I see it as...
Personally, I see the tariffs as a much-needed correction, not a crisis. Delta’s Q1 performance didn’t collapse — it held steady — because the company was forced to confront its own overconfident growth projections. I actually think that’s a win.
To me, the tariffs are doing what the market wouldn’t: pushing companies to get leaner, more disciplined, and less addicted to endless expansion. I don’t buy the hand-wringing about “uncertainty” — I see it as overdue accountability. Delta still pulled $382 million in pre-tax profit and is projecting up to $2 billion next quarter. That’s not weakness. That’s resilience.
The best resilience on the planet is Tim Dunn keeping up the charade of fake usernames.
Brava!
you keep beating that drum when it was you that complained that someone was using your user name just last night.
You clearly have no purpose here other than to trash people that speak the truth that you can't stand to admit is real.
Nobody is using the Tim Dunn name falsely. You're using fake usernames over and over. The issue yesterday was someone else using the "Plane Jane" name that was not me. And I hope they had fun with it, but it wasn't the "OG" if you will
You don't really seem to understand the concept of an "alter ego" vs someone else using the Plane Jane name that wasn't me. This really isn't difficult but you...
Nobody is using the Tim Dunn name falsely. You're using fake usernames over and over. The issue yesterday was someone else using the "Plane Jane" name that was not me. And I hope they had fun with it, but it wasn't the "OG" if you will
You don't really seem to understand the concept of an "alter ego" vs someone else using the Plane Jane name that wasn't me. This really isn't difficult but you sure do struggle with the concept.
Just last night you drunkenly replied to someone as Tim Dunn forgetting that person replied to Nick w. ;) If you want to be taken seriously, don't post when you're drinking. You make very clumsy mistakes while thinking you're clever.
do you not think that Ben isn't capable of comparing IP addresses and figuring out who is using fake user names?
You want to label everyone that dares think and disagrees with you as fake.
It is YOU whose user name was used by someone else because you aren't smart enough to actually register your user name with OMAAT. Of course you don't want to have the accountability for your own user name but you...
do you not think that Ben isn't capable of comparing IP addresses and figuring out who is using fake user names?
You want to label everyone that dares think and disagrees with you as fake.
It is YOU whose user name was used by someone else because you aren't smart enough to actually register your user name with OMAAT. Of course you don't want to have the accountability for your own user name but you love to throw accusations at others.
YOU are a complete fraud and everyone on the plAAnet except you can see it.
Do give it up Plain Jane, you play the same old record and to what end? Clearly you have nothing better to say and your whining on is so pathetically boring darlink.
Aero, there are two people on this website that come up with weird nicknames for other users. One is Tim Dunn. The other is you. Tim, you telegraph your own fake usernames. And you usually both get far more rude with them around 8-10pm eastern time when Tim is drinking and you should be asleep. There is not a coincidence here.
Keep up the fake names, but you aren't fooling anyone.
As a brit,...
Aero, there are two people on this website that come up with weird nicknames for other users. One is Tim Dunn. The other is you. Tim, you telegraph your own fake usernames. And you usually both get far more rude with them around 8-10pm eastern time when Tim is drinking and you should be asleep. There is not a coincidence here.
Keep up the fake names, but you aren't fooling anyone.
As a brit, you somehow care so much about Delta while also registering your name overnight RIGHT when tim dunn was drunkenly rambling about it.
Coincidence? not really. Nor is your fake british terminology real for anyone that has ever worked with Brits, much less your use of "darlink"
There's only one other person that brags about Delta's financials this much and his name is Tim Dunn. Anyone else see the resemblance?
"Nick W" really thinks he's providing some strategic analysis by typing some dollar signs next to numbers. All that drivel doesn't go much deeper than a hole on a golf course.
Trifecta of alter ego.
yolo
while you often have really good things to say, it is a crying shame that you join the mental midget crowd on here - including Frozen Brain and the Painful woman - because you can't accept that two people can see the same thing, esp. if it is factual.
I support and know facts and those facts include that Delta is by far the most financially successful US airline right now - and...
yolo
while you often have really good things to say, it is a crying shame that you join the mental midget crowd on here - including Frozen Brain and the Painful woman - because you can't accept that two people can see the same thing, esp. if it is factual.
I support and know facts and those facts include that Delta is by far the most financially successful US airline right now - and one of the most successful on the planet.
The fact that you are more interested in throwing dirt instead of affirming that reality shows how small you really are.
by the time earnings season is over, there will be far more carnage than the fairly mild reductions in capacity that DL is announcing.
omg. Tim! Not you and "aero" AGAIN being the only ones that use the same childish nicknames to reply to other users when you're called out? Could you at least find different personalities for your alter egos?
"Nick W"
You see it wrong.
Tell me I am stupid without telling me I am stupid.
Nick W - Hold my beer.
So sad that one of the two airlines that spends the highest percent on republican platforms is hurt by republican promises.
you either don't spend much time in business outside of airlines or you would know that there is widespread criticism of the tariff policies.
DL just happens to be one of the earliest companies to report not just among airlines but among American corporations overall.
There will be lots of criticism of the tariff moves including by companies like Apple given that Trump says Apple can build Iphones in the US
A bit late for that Timmy. Perhaps they should have thought about that when donating to and supporting Trump's re-election. You know, when he was saying he planned to implement sweeping tariffs and was railing on about the US getting ripped off. It was obvious then he didn't understand what a trade deficit was, and the writing was on the wall for all to read. It couldn't have been clearer. You even had a full...
A bit late for that Timmy. Perhaps they should have thought about that when donating to and supporting Trump's re-election. You know, when he was saying he planned to implement sweeping tariffs and was railing on about the US getting ripped off. It was obvious then he didn't understand what a trade deficit was, and the writing was on the wall for all to read. It couldn't have been clearer. You even had a full term of this insanity 2017-21 as a preview, and he explicitly said this time around he would only hire people who wouldn't say no to him.
But you and everybody else who voted for him said "surely the leopard won't eat MY face". You people created this monster, now you're trying to tell me that Bastian and Cook having a hissy fit will make him reconsider? News flash, Trump does not care what they think and he'll continue doing what he wants. Have fun trying to put him back in his cage.
The companies criticizing the tariffs now were told by Trump throughout 2024 that tarriffs would be a cornerstone of Trumps economy. Lacking basic capacity for reasoning. Long way to go, settle in and enjoy the prosperity.
Like most businesses, they contribute to both to keep doors open.
Info from Opensecrects.org of PAC contributions to party committees by Delta:
2024
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $45,000
National Republican Congressional Cmte $30,000
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $30,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $30,000
2022
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $30,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $30,000
National Republican Congressional Cmte $30,000
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $30,000
2020
...
Like most businesses, they contribute to both to keep doors open.
Info from Opensecrects.org of PAC contributions to party committees by Delta:
2024
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $45,000
National Republican Congressional Cmte $30,000
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $30,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $30,000
2022
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $30,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $30,000
National Republican Congressional Cmte $30,000
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $30,000
2020
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $30,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $30,000
National Republican Congressional Cmte $30,000
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $30,000
2018
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $30,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $30,000
National Republican Congressional Cmte $30,000
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $30,000
@Don
Shhhh!!!
Brainwashed people don't like propaganda being exposed.
It makes them look like a hypocrite.
@Don and @Eskimo, Delta's PAC, PER OPENSECRETS.ORG, has consistently donated 50% more to Republican candidates than to Democrat ones since 2012. Posting just the national party committee donations is blatant cherry picking.
https://www.opensecrets.org/party-totals-section
That's not "keeping doors open", that's a clear trend of bias towards one party. Perhaps it would be wiser for CEOs and the companies they run to take a more nuanced view of candidates than "deregulation good". Maybe then they would...
@Don and @Eskimo, Delta's PAC, PER OPENSECRETS.ORG, has consistently donated 50% more to Republican candidates than to Democrat ones since 2012. Posting just the national party committee donations is blatant cherry picking.
https://www.opensecrets.org/party-totals-section
That's not "keeping doors open", that's a clear trend of bias towards one party. Perhaps it would be wiser for CEOs and the companies they run to take a more nuanced view of candidates than "deregulation good". Maybe then they would have enough sense not to support a party who's entire 2024 platform was to crash the US economy. You didn't need a crystal ball to see this coming, Trump told us long before election day.
I hope this episode teaches a lot of businesspeople, CEOs, etc a lesson... Tax cuts and deregulation aren't an end all, be all. You know what else is important? Predictable and stable policy, the foresight to care for all corners of the economy (Main Street, Wall Street, everything), basic economic knowledge (tariffs are bad), not trying to recreate the past (factories aren't coming back in the scale), and knowledge about all sectors of the economy...
I hope this episode teaches a lot of businesspeople, CEOs, etc a lesson... Tax cuts and deregulation aren't an end all, be all. You know what else is important? Predictable and stable policy, the foresight to care for all corners of the economy (Main Street, Wall Street, everything), basic economic knowledge (tariffs are bad), not trying to recreate the past (factories aren't coming back in the scale), and knowledge about all sectors of the economy (including the service economy like airlines and hotels, which are being hurt). It's time for business people, Wall Street, etc to reengage with moderate Democrats so we can fight MAGA (and left wing) populists. What they want is terrible for the country.
Despite all of that, Delta's 2Q guidance looks good! People who have jobs and money will travel in the spring and summer. Just less than could have been if it weren't for all this nonsense.
Nice to see an intelligent comment here that exactly pinpoints the areas this country desperately needs to focus on.
I am much less sanguine though on the summer travel season. Given hotel numbers coming in for bookings, the collapse of Canadian travel, and the clear sign that foreigners are rightfully abandoning the U.S. we could see International completely tank this summer to historic (non-covid) lows.
Factories are coming back. America will make things again, and restore pride to ordinary working men. Increasingly, all we cater to now are liberal college graduates and tech bros, the economy needs to be mixed and not only built around the needs of feminists and nerds.
@Hank
The US saw it's greatest growth in jobs in general and in manufacturing jobs specifically under BIDEN. More jobs and more manufacturing jobs created 2021-2025 than under any other President in the last 40 years. We already make things here, companies were coming to the US to build things before Trump got re-elected, and manufacturing has and still does make up a significant portion of our economy. That portions of that has largely...
@Hank
The US saw it's greatest growth in jobs in general and in manufacturing jobs specifically under BIDEN. More jobs and more manufacturing jobs created 2021-2025 than under any other President in the last 40 years. We already make things here, companies were coming to the US to build things before Trump got re-elected, and manufacturing has and still does make up a significant portion of our economy. That portions of that has largely died, such as shipbuilding, is NOT something you can fix by tariffs. Unless your objective is to crash the US economy so badly that US labor costs becomes competitive with Vietnam.
Do you really think that even being generally low-educated, Trumpers will want to go work in factories? I think not and with so many immigrants being removed and others thinking of coming to the USA scared away, who would work in these factories? And what's wrong with feminists and nerds? Diversity is good for business.
Compared to last year at this time, transcon D1 seems to be experiencing a drop in demand also. Could partially be due to PS being offered as a product now, but the cabin has flown with empty seats a lot more frequently than i'm used to seeing.
But the DeltaOne lounge is so good, it's a game changer.
Delta IS the best positioned airline to weather whatever takes place. They can manage the environment through the summer - when it will probably stabilize.
Domestic yields were up but capacity growth can no longer be supported. Capacity will come out of the system, first with the domestic system.
A weak low leisure domestic system will hurt AA, WN and the rest of the LCC and ULCC sectors the most.
UA's high growth strategy...
Delta IS the best positioned airline to weather whatever takes place. They can manage the environment through the summer - when it will probably stabilize.
Domestic yields were up but capacity growth can no longer be supported. Capacity will come out of the system, first with the domestic system.
A weak low leisure domestic system will hurt AA, WN and the rest of the LCC and ULCC sectors the most.
UA's high growth strategy will not work in this environment which means they will be spending enormous amounts of money in order to replace old aircraft and to build airport terminals that they can't fully use for years, if ever.
Consolidation, if it comes, will focus on LESS capacity because that is what it will take in order to make sustained profits.
Delta stock is leading the industry up as the market opens while market indices are largely down. Wall Street likes what Delta is saying.
My how MAGA Tim has changed his tune in less than a month from the comments in the link below... Yes. The orange man did hurt summer revenues and yields despite you foolishly thinking Delta said anything about 2Q or 3Q. Delta is now actively saying your MAGA man is hurting them.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/delta-slashes-earnings-guidance/
as usual, you hurl labels when it is you, not me, that don't understand the basic facts.
Nowhere did I or have I defended stupid economic moves.
I have repeatedly said - including in the article - that DL has by far the best ability to deal with whatever economic crisis that is thrown at it.
AA is by far the most vulnerable carrier to even a dent in demand; it simply has no financial...
as usual, you hurl labels when it is you, not me, that don't understand the basic facts.
Nowhere did I or have I defended stupid economic moves.
I have repeatedly said - including in the article - that DL has by far the best ability to deal with whatever economic crisis that is thrown at it.
AA is by far the most vulnerable carrier to even a dent in demand; it simply has no financial cushion and is barely profitable on its entire system.
WN does have a plan to turn itself around whether it works or not.
AA continues to flounder and has no direction even as other airlines, mostly DL, continue to siphon revenue away from AA.
UA's high growth strategy is unsustainable and always was. A decrease in domestic demand hurts them the most as they spend billions of dollars to grow - which they cannot do.
It is noteworthy that UA was announcing even more longhaul international expansion next winter while DL added near international Latin and Caribbean flights.
there are data sources that foreign visitor demand is down the most from Germany followed by the UK and then France. UA and AA are far more exposed to the fall in demand than DL is.
But we know full well that you don't deal with facts so slander instead.
I don’t know how people still don’t get it — Delta is clearly the best positioned airline in this market, and it's not even a debate at this point. Anyone doubting that either hasn’t been paying attention or is stuck in some outdated view of the industry.
Delta isn’t out there flooding the market with cheap seats like the ULCCs or pretending domestic leisure demand will magically hold up forever like AA and WN. They’ve...
I don’t know how people still don’t get it — Delta is clearly the best positioned airline in this market, and it's not even a debate at this point. Anyone doubting that either hasn’t been paying attention or is stuck in some outdated view of the industry.
Delta isn’t out there flooding the market with cheap seats like the ULCCs or pretending domestic leisure demand will magically hold up forever like AA and WN. They’ve been disciplined, focused on profitability, premium traffic, and international strength — exactly what works in a tightening environment.
And don’t even get me started on United’s "growth at all costs" strategy. Spending billions on terminals and planes they won’t fully utilize for years? In this economy? Good luck with that...
Meanwhile, Delta’s stock is leading the sector while the market’s down. That’s not a fluke — it’s the market recognizing smart execution. If there’s any consolidation, it’ll be about reducing capacity, not chasing scale. And guess what? Delta’s already there. If you're still skeptical, you're either ignoring the data or hoping your airline catches up — spoiler alert: they won’t.
This is such a self-report from "Nick W" aka Tim. Literally using the same language to reply to yourself. Checks all the same boxes, talking about how "Delta is clearly the best positioned", Delta is most profitable, Delta's stock prices, and a nice insert bashing United.
Honestly, just use your main account instead of this burner, you'll seem less schizophrenic and sycophantic that way.
LOL what a role reversal.
"UA has aging aircraft while Delta is taking delivery of the newest and most efficient fleet among the big 3. " > In the new Trump economy where demand is down for the foreseeable future, UA simply has to retire fuel inefficient aircraft and delay/cancel deliveries, unlike Delta who will have overcapacity with all its new aircraft in a low demand environment.
"UA is reaching a fiscal cliff...
LOL what a role reversal.
"UA has aging aircraft while Delta is taking delivery of the newest and most efficient fleet among the big 3. " > In the new Trump economy where demand is down for the foreseeable future, UA simply has to retire fuel inefficient aircraft and delay/cancel deliveries, unlike Delta who will have overcapacity with all its new aircraft in a low demand environment.
"UA is reaching a fiscal cliff with its flight attendant contracts, while Delta's flight attendants are among the highest paid in the industry." >In the new Trump economy with a looming recession, economic contraction, and the potential for high unemployment, United is in a far stronger negotiating environment to argue for lower or stable wages, while Delta will be burdened with relatively higher costs and a staff conditioned to being paid excessively well compared to the rest of the domestic carriers.
LOL what a role reversal.
"UA has aging aircraft while Delta is taking delivery of the newest and most efficient fleet among the big 3. " > In the new Trump economy where demand is down for the foreseeable future, UA simply has to retire fuel inefficient aircraft and delay/cancel deliveries, unlike Delta who will have overcapacity with all its new aircraft in a low demand environment.
"UA is reaching a fiscal cliff...
LOL what a role reversal.
"UA has aging aircraft while Delta is taking delivery of the newest and most efficient fleet among the big 3. " > In the new Trump economy where demand is down for the foreseeable future, UA simply has to retire fuel inefficient aircraft and delay/cancel deliveries, unlike Delta who will have overcapacity with all its new aircraft in a low demand environment.
"UA is reaching a fiscal cliff with its flight attendant contracts, while Delta's flight attendants are among the highest paid in the industry." >In the new Trump economy with a looming recession, economic contraction, and the potential for high unemployment, United is in a far stronger negotiating environment to argue for lower or stable wages, while Delta will be burdened with relatively higher costs and a staff conditioned to being paid excessively well compared to the rest of the domestic carriers.
Enjoy your tax break Ed, I hope it was worth it.
Wow I am utterly shocked that Ed Bastians words came back to bite him. Absolutely shocked I tell you.
He's not very smart for a Chief Executive Officer, is he?
Proclaimeth the CEO: Why is the leopard eating my face?
Cheh
If he's going to criticize Trump, he'd better hope he doesn't need any favors from the feds for the next few years, given how vindictive Trump is.
there are people in his own administration that are criticizing Trump, including Musk. Given that Tesla sales are down far more than the decline in foreign visitors to the US, business leaders including Musk are smart enough to see that, even if Trump is right on tariffs, he is going about this all wrong and there will be huge collateral damage in the process.
Bastian, Kirby and every other CEO does and says what is...
there are people in his own administration that are criticizing Trump, including Musk. Given that Tesla sales are down far more than the decline in foreign visitors to the US, business leaders including Musk are smart enough to see that, even if Trump is right on tariffs, he is going about this all wrong and there will be huge collateral damage in the process.
Bastian, Kirby and every other CEO does and says what is in the best interest of their business.
The fact that a few mental midgets here think that execs care anything about politics beyond their businesses is embarrassingly sad.
The fact that you think Trump may be right on tariffs is even more embarrassingly sad.
Julia, yet another Plain (boring) Jane, type comment of no consequence. Why do you people never have anything to contribute?
Sad, sad numpties.
The fact that you think a $1.4 trillion dollar trade deficit with China is sustainable makes you look embarrassingly unaware.
@Extraordinary1
First off, companies were already decoupling from China as a result of COVID. Having your entire supply chain coming from one source made that chain incredibly fragile, and companies correctly judged that given how many "black swan events" appear to be happening it made sense to spend a bit more to put some eggs in additional baskets. China is also not nearly as cheap as it was when it re-entered the global economy...
@Extraordinary1
First off, companies were already decoupling from China as a result of COVID. Having your entire supply chain coming from one source made that chain incredibly fragile, and companies correctly judged that given how many "black swan events" appear to be happening it made sense to spend a bit more to put some eggs in additional baskets. China is also not nearly as cheap as it was when it re-entered the global economy several decades ago, and the China Cycle has given many companies pause.
Second, what on Earth do you think a trade deficit is? We make money primarily through services. Money can be exchanged for goods. So we spend money on Chinese-made goods. Iphones, Teslas, board games, the list goes on. That's not a bad thing, that's international trade working as intended. Think, do you have a trade deficit with your local Dominos because you're buying pizza from them but they aren't buying anything from you? Do you see how ridiculous that logic is?
Would we expect fares to come down? And if so, when? I've been looking at Delta One fares for the summer and for holiday 2025 and they're still crazy expensive. Does Delta want to keep fares high and risk not selling seats?
@ NSS -- The goal specifically is to reduce capacity in order to maintain yields. So we'll see what happens, but the goal is clearly to not reduce fares. And if fares do go down, I wouldn't expect them to be meaningfully reduced in Delta One on long haul flights.
From the east side of the pond it would appear that Delta are possibly the only U.S. airline capable of withstanding the Trump/Musk effects upon the world economy.
How amusing one of Tim’s fake accounts is now registered after Tim’s drunk rants about it last night
And then… a “Brit” fawning over delta just like Tim lol.
Tim, get a life. No actual Brit cares about delta like you do. Most Americans don’t either.
Him and "Nick W" are some of the worst.
yolo, has it not occurred to you that perhaps one is posting simply to wind up the pathetically boring Julia and Plain (boring) Jane types.
At least Plain (boring) Jane is right about one thing …. one cares not a fig about Delta, Trump or even Musk, life is far too short darlink.
@Plane Jane
At least Tim Dunn knows how to speak proper English, but AeroB13a doesn't.
Thank you Mason, that is rich considering that you only know the corrupt Websters version of my mother tongue …. thanks for the grin Sonny Jim.
@AeroB13a
That comment just added an evidence to my claim. Thanks.
What a conflicting day for everyone’s favorite maga boy and delta fanboy
this from someone that isn't smart enough to actually register their user name and then tells us that they didn't post half of what was said.
I know how. I just don't care.
It's a comment section not my personal reputation. If someone values my screen name enough to use it, good for them. It's a little weird to do that especially in my voice, but I certainly don't think I'm anything special. My name isn't even Andrew...
You "aka Aero" seemed to learn how to register overnight after your drunk rants about it and then responding as "Nick W"...
I know how. I just don't care.
It's a comment section not my personal reputation. If someone values my screen name enough to use it, good for them. It's a little weird to do that especially in my voice, but I certainly don't think I'm anything special. My name isn't even Andrew...
You "aka Aero" seemed to learn how to register overnight after your drunk rants about it and then responding as "Nick W" in voice forgetting you were logged in as Tim Dunn. ;) Put the drinks down, Tim. It was a Tuesday.
You truly make it too easy, Tim.
Plain Jane, your obsession with Tim Dunn and your accusations that he and I are one and the same person, must be causing you serious mental perturbations darlink.
However, I find that I must agree with you one count, that is like you I “Certainly don’t think” (you to be) “Anything special”, your words in quotation marks.
Please be assured that you have my full permission to approach Ben, you may like to...
Plain Jane, your obsession with Tim Dunn and your accusations that he and I are one and the same person, must be causing you serious mental perturbations darlink.
However, I find that I must agree with you one count, that is like you I “Certainly don’t think” (you to be) “Anything special”, your words in quotation marks.
Please be assured that you have my full permission to approach Ben, you may like to ask him to confirm that presently my posts are being sent for England …. that is the real, original one, not the New one!
Work on your spelling and syntax, "Aero" . You have horrible grammar and don't even know how to spell "Darlink"
It's very noticed how you and Tim reply to each other. Much less how, as mentioned above, you are the only two that resort to childish nicknames for other users to reply to them.
It's a shame that the Trump-supporting C-Suites across America won't suffer from this administration's actions to the same extent that hundreds of millions of people around the globe will, but they deserve every self-inflicted economic hit they take
what an ignorant comment. Executives ARE paid on stock performance - which has been trashed because of these tariffs. All of Trump's chaos IS costing corporate America.
The reason America is in the mess is because you can’t see the value of your stock award declining from $25 million to $18 million is not suffering to the same extent as someone living from pay check to pay check who is now going to face paying an extra 5% of their income on groceries that they can’t afford to pay.
How very sad that you still don’t see this…
Nice try, Tim :)
This is a completely ignorant comment, if you don't know what you're talking about you should remain silent. Just look at Tesla.
This the same Delta that a couple months ago was kissing Orange Putin and Elonia's ass?
Funny, it wasn;t too long ago that Bastain was singing the praises of this administration. So much for obeying in advance, and all that.
Wonder if Scott Kirby is rethinking his comments from last week?