Delta is adding new routes and new flights from Austin, just weeks after American announcing that it’s greatly decreasing service at the airport. However, I wouldn’t exactly call this expansion a game changer, or anything…
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Delta adds new routes & flights from Austin
As of April 22, 2024, Delta will be adding 11 new peak-day flights from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS). With this expansion, we’re seeing extra service on five routes, three of which are new, comprised of the following:
- Delta will add new routes to Austin from Midland-Odessa (MAF), McAllen (MFE), and Nashville (BNA); each route will operate 3x daily
- Delta will add an extra daily flight to both Cincinnati (CVG) and Raleigh-Durham (RDU); that means Cincinnati will operate 2x daily while Raleigh-Durham will operate 3x daily
All of the service on the new routes will be operated by Delta Connection regional jets featuring a first class expansion.
With this expansion, Delta will offer nearly 50 peak-day nonstop flights to 15 airports across the United States, including to every Delta hub, plus Las Vegas (LAS) and Orlando (MCO). Delta’s summer 2024 schedule in Austin will be 20% larger than the carrier’s summer 2023 schedule.
Perhaps most significantly, for the first time, Delta is positioning Austin as a key access point to facilitate connections to its entire network. Up until now, Delta has exclusively approached Austin as a point-to-point market, while now the airline will be selling flights with Austin as a connecting point (presumably including for the new intra-Texas routes).
Here’s how Joe Esposito, Delta’s SVP of Network Planning, describes this expansion:
“This expansion not only creates an access point to diverse opportunities for business, leisure, and cultural exploration spanning Texas and beyond but also solidifies Delta’s commitment to being a key player in Austin’s evolving landscape. Austin is growing rapidly, and this 20% increase in capacity mirrors that growth as we look to provide our customers with unparalleled convenience in the region.”
Is Delta’s Austin expansion significant?
Of course it is. This is the greatest, most brilliant expansion any airline has ever undertaken. Until the airline retreats, and then of course that’s also the right decision, because Delta can do no wrong. JK… but getting out ahead of the comments section. 😉
Honestly, I’d say this expansion is better than nothing, but not much more than that. Essentially we’re seeing three new routes with three daily flights, and this definitely doesn’t replace the service that American recently discontinued.
It is interesting to see Delta basically dabbling with making Austin a connecting hub, presumably primarily targeted at Midland-Odessa and McAllen. American and United both have major hubs in Texas, so I guess this is a half-hearted attempt to compete.
American’s Austin focus city was apparently unprofitable all along. So I’m curious if Delta will actually be able to make money in Austin, or if this is more of a defensive move to prevent other airlines from growing too much market share there.
Bottom line
Delta is expanding in Austin, with three new routes, each of which will be operated three times daily. On top of that, the airline will add an additional daily frequency in two different markets. In terms of strategy, what’s perhaps most interesting is that Delta will attempt to make Austin a connecting market for the first time.
What do you make of Delta’s Austin expansion?
it's as if Delta secretly funded US Air's purchase of American with the understanding AA would keep ceding routes to Delta.
Getting tired of what used to be a fun, informative comment section turning into 80% about one person (admittedly, an issue not confined to this aviation blog).
the operative word being "about"
If some people would quit fixating on other people and just contribute useful commentary, there would be no issue.
If you don't like or disagree w/ comments on the topic, just move on.
If you don't like the comments that are people write that are about issues not directly related to the topic, then reply to that effect.
The best way to make the few trolls...
the operative word being "about"
If some people would quit fixating on other people and just contribute useful commentary, there would be no issue.
If you don't like or disagree w/ comments on the topic, just move on.
If you don't like the comments that are people write that are about issues not directly related to the topic, then reply to that effect.
The best way to make the few trolls realize that their thoughts are not reflective of the majority of users is to tell them that.
you might start by actually writing something relevant to the topic.
I’m old and I have no interest in Delta after what they did to Pan American.
after what they did to Pan American
Considering that United had already acquired PanAm's LHR, SFO, LAX, and MIA routes long before DL made a grab for anything.... what exactly do you envision (or more realistically: imagine) Delta having "done" to PanAm?
A day after this news broke and the internet tropes have all weighed in, the most accurate summary of the topic is that DL is finally getting around to doing a part of what the internet expected it to do years ago and is still doing it in a far more measured way - and far differently - than most people expected.
DL has never been about massive route or fleet announcements but they...
A day after this news broke and the internet tropes have all weighed in, the most accurate summary of the topic is that DL is finally getting around to doing a part of what the internet expected it to do years ago and is still doing it in a far more measured way - and far differently - than most people expected.
DL has never been about massive route or fleet announcements but they have managed to do what no other US airline has managed to do - which is to build 2 hubs and several focus cities in other carrier strength markets.
Texas is clearly a weaker spot for DL and it makes sense for them to grow there - which is part of why the recent announcement of DFW-SEA is probably a bigger deal than the three new routes from AUS.
You need only look back at DL's history to see that it has slowly but incrementally grown its presence in major markets like NYC, BOS and LAX but has managed to wind up in the top position. Delta spent over 35 years after the Western merger to reach and hold onto the top status. Unlike AA which made a huge, flashy expansion at AUS which didn't work, DL simply waited for a competitor (AA) to pull back and DL has continued to grow more after a couple years of just adding frequencies to its hubs - now with MFE and MAF service as well as the crowded but large BNA market.
WN and DL are both rational competitors and operate similarly - little flash but consistent strategies. they step on each other's toes but don't try to break bones - because it isn't good for either. In some markets, DL is stronger while in others it is WN. As much as some want to believe otherwise, DL and AS operate the same way. Not surprisingly, AS, DL and WN are some of the financially strongest airlines in the US.
who knows how much DL will grow in AUS but they will incrementally grow where they see opportunity.
Since Gary notes that DL will be as large as AA at AUS now (he lives there so probably watches pretty carefully), the change in market position not just for DL but also for AA and UA in AUS is more than eye-catching.
I see it more as a back door entry to central Texas development via Austin. Several silicon wafer plants in the area plus new Tesla assembly plant meaning well educated, well paid business PAX.
Most of the new connections or capacity are to DL hubs or focus cities via DL Connect. Not much lost if the plan fails in the long run.
The idea is to nurture development....something most American companies are too impatient with.
As a follow up to above, no doubt that Southwest is the dominate airline at AUS (approx 40%). However, their boarding process and free-for-all seating arrangements are getting "very old" with business passengers.
DL may have found a niche via WN's denial when it comes to business PAX in the Austin area.
This seems like a strategic move by Delta, there nearest hubs are ATL, SLC and LAX. Delta hasn’t had large presence in Texas since it de-hubbed DFW. Unlike American which has a hub a couple hundred miles north, Austin was almost redundant as a hub. I am intrigued by the speculation on the reasoning for service to MAF, but little has written about MFE. The Lower Rio Grande Valley includes MFE, HRL, & BRO, these...
This seems like a strategic move by Delta, there nearest hubs are ATL, SLC and LAX. Delta hasn’t had large presence in Texas since it de-hubbed DFW. Unlike American which has a hub a couple hundred miles north, Austin was almost redundant as a hub. I am intrigued by the speculation on the reasoning for service to MAF, but little has written about MFE. The Lower Rio Grande Valley includes MFE, HRL, & BRO, these airports are only 30 miles apart from each other. The lower Rio Grande Valley has increased from 600k to 1.3 M since 1990. Additionally, the SpaceX launch is employing 2,100 people, this maybe a market Delta is trying tap into. Interestingly, Aeromexico is starting service from the New Mexico City airport to MFE.
Delta should have kept their operation at DFW and built out a connecting hub there.
(why's there not an "LOL" button on this thing?)
They had a connecting hub there for decades. At the end, AA crushed them.
The weird news delta uses skywest airlines as their regional carrier...skywest has skywest marked aircraft that can go both ways including AS,UA,AA,and of course Skip is excellent at negotiating deals
and your point is?
If the aircraft are flex aircraft and other carriers might see them, why is it an issue for DL?
and you do realize that all of the 4 Skywest major carriers have requirements limiting how how much Skywest can sub in a Skywest painted aircraft?
Hoping they finally bring back LBB to their network... this seems like a reasonable way to do it!
It is actually a little surprising that LBB didn't get added to this rollout which probably says DL has tapped into some specific business in MAF and MFE that justifies adding them and also makes connecting via AUS a non-issue.
Who else flies from MAF or MFE to any of the DL cities that these flights will connect to in AUS? And someone on Gary's site noted that there is a fair amount of...
It is actually a little surprising that LBB didn't get added to this rollout which probably says DL has tapped into some specific business in MAF and MFE that justifies adding them and also makes connecting via AUS a non-issue.
Who else flies from MAF or MFE to any of the DL cities that these flights will connect to in AUS? And someone on Gary's site noted that there is a fair amount of State of Texas government traffic which could be driving the decision to connect at AUS. WN might not have seen a DL bid coming and bid high.
the rest of it - the majority of the additions - are new flights on existing routes plus other strong new routes.
Would love to see them finally bring it back, as I then wouldn't have to use AA to get there. And would be thrilled to see ELP added as well, or at least get a nonstop to LAX.
You’re so relevant Tim. Just keep telling yourself that.
As part of there growth at Austin, I hope Delta announces more flights from Austin in the near future. Here is my short list of routes that the airline should add.
AUS - MIA
AUS - FLL
AUS - TPA
Any routes that I missed, add them to the list.
AMERICAN RUNNING SCARED!?! NO WAY! HOW UNUSUAL AND SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
That is called Sarcasm! Failed airline and business. Talk to Seattle, Chicago, All of Asia, etc etc etc etc
don't forget NYC and LAX, Roberta.
Funny how we have all of these AA employees running to defend the company while the company works overtime figuring out how to outsource jobs.
AA's failed AUS hub was driven by an excess number of RJs relative to what the pilot contract allowed.
AA tried to outsource large chunks of its NYC operation to B6 and the feds shot that down.
AA still is trying...
don't forget NYC and LAX, Roberta.
Funny how we have all of these AA employees running to defend the company while the company works overtime figuring out how to outsource jobs.
AA's failed AUS hub was driven by an excess number of RJs relative to what the pilot contract allowed.
AA tried to outsource large chunks of its NYC operation to B6 and the feds shot that down.
AA still is trying to figure out what to do on the west coast but have walked away from large chunks of west coast flying so it can codeshare with AS.
AA runs far more RJs systemwide than DL
AA has reduced its international operation - the smallest of the big 3 - to what it can funnel onto its JV partners...
but we have AA fankids talking about DL's strategies even as AA outsources far more of its operation that DL.
The Stockholm Syndrome is alive and well at AA.
So true, Tim!
Oh tim
Your ignorance knows no bounds and how you have no idea how regional scope or codeshares work.
Thanks for the laughs :)
It’s truly funny to read what you write
To the people of OMAAT, MaxPower is a joke, laughed at by everyone, a total incompetent dog. He says he loves Tim, now he “hates” him. Did you see him fawning over Darryl Stewart? Has no chance, a loser for OMAAT, doesn’t deserve your attention!
Lol. What?
Roberta… your guest profile, aka tim… is cute :)
Who’s Daryl? Lol
Tim, you’re better than a fake profile. This is sad, even for you
Roberta a.k.a Darryl, stop being a troll. And stop kissing up to Tim. At least MAx can use logic. Something you and Tim lack.
Delta's success in AUS depends on corporate traffic demand. It has softened exponentially from the tech sector, which is partly why AA is cutting back there, but not entirely retreating. Tech sector weakness rolls into leisure too.
AA's cutbacks were due to a dartboard strategy of trying to overtake WN, their need to return the RJs back to NYC after the NEA was ruled illegal, and because they violated their pilot contract.
Many of the markets they flew were heavily leisure routes where the reduction in corporate travel wasn't and isn't an issue.
AUS was overdone by a lot of airlines but is still a growing and fundamentally strong market. BNA...
AA's cutbacks were due to a dartboard strategy of trying to overtake WN, their need to return the RJs back to NYC after the NEA was ruled illegal, and because they violated their pilot contract.
Many of the markets they flew were heavily leisure routes where the reduction in corporate travel wasn't and isn't an issue.
AUS was overdone by a lot of airlines but is still a growing and fundamentally strong market. BNA has had similar economic growth but the airline scene didn't explode into chaos like it did at AUS.
and BNA has handled growth, other than terminal access, far better than AUS.
Oh yes…
Aa was a dartboard because aa had absolutely no idea where austin customers wanted to go despite being the one carrier that knew where they wanted to go and pioneered Atlantic service with them …
Please, tim
Try to retain some credibility?
Aa had far more data about austin customers than delta could dream about
Sometimes you really just prove to everyone why delta fired you.
get over it.
AA swung for the fences and DL has now added a FEW flights and is the same size as AA.
AA STRUCK OUT, MAX.
Whether you can accept it or not is immaterial.
AA failed in NYC, LAX and now AUS.
And all you can do is strike out at me and DL.
"get over it! your team sucks! we win. Go Delta!
Super Duper Airline Bowl 72182 is going to be dominated by Delta again, because we're the best! we're the red triangles! we have the biggest, baddest, meanest pilots with their gold-pleated uniforms! they're going to beat your team!"
Tim ... this is what you sound like.
Oh yes
The tired lax nonsense from tim
OneWorld is the biggest it has ever been in SoCal and so are its related mileage programs but… Timmy doesn’t know how alliances work so he assumes delta’s leap into a sad third place in SoCal means something when it doesn’t :) but hey… delta having fewer gates than aa but more flights for now makes him happy (but ignorant)
Perhaps move out Atlanta...
Oh yes
The tired lax nonsense from tim
OneWorld is the biggest it has ever been in SoCal and so are its related mileage programs but… Timmy doesn’t know how alliances work so he assumes delta’s leap into a sad third place in SoCal means something when it doesn’t :) but hey… delta having fewer gates than aa but more flights for now makes him happy (but ignorant)
Perhaps move out Atlanta one day, tim? There’s a bright beautiful world for you
Delta is an amazing company in that world but no one worships them outside of your old Blake’s world :) but people value them vs other Carriers as they do with frequency and nonstops
Just stop the deflection, MAX
American cut and ran from LAX and Delta moved into the first place.
Just the way American walked away from Nashville and Southwest built an operation there.
Just the way American walked away from RDU and DL became the largest carrier.
It's perfectly clear that you can't stand it when a single negative word is said about AA - no matter how factual it is.
AA is...
Just stop the deflection, MAX
American cut and ran from LAX and Delta moved into the first place.
Just the way American walked away from Nashville and Southwest built an operation there.
Just the way American walked away from RDU and DL became the largest carrier.
It's perfectly clear that you can't stand it when a single negative word is said about AA - no matter how factual it is.
AA is not oneworld. AA had LAX dominance for years.
You can't stand to accept the basic facts and so attack anyone that dares say anything negative about AA.
The only pathology is you and the octonutinphl
When it comes to LA
AA is OneWorld
So is Alaska
That’s what’s always so amusing that you don’t seem to realize
Delta is a great carrier but until you realize how the world works, your precious delta is destined for last place in SoCal
Delta has the worst partners in LA and they’re the smallest mileage program and alliance
I realize it destroys your latest talking point but...
When it comes to LA
AA is OneWorld
So is Alaska
That’s what’s always so amusing that you don’t seem to realize
Delta is a great carrier but until you realize how the world works, your precious delta is destined for last place in SoCal
Delta has the worst partners in LA and they’re the smallest mileage program and alliance
I realize it destroys your latest talking point but those of us in the real world live there
It isn’t a one up or anything cool, it’s just reality, tim
Join everyone
And apparently tim doesn’t know what to talk about in today’s world so we’re talking about the aa Nashville hub?
Do you want to talk about delta getting run out of dfw too?
This is getting sad, tim
Go to bed
I'll go to bed when I am good and ready.
AA had hubs in BNA and RDU - they gave up their number 1 position.
DL was a very distant #2 at DFW in capacity but #2 in revenue.
Guess what. DL is still a distant #2 at DFW in capacity and still #2 in revenue. They lost absolutely nothing in DFW but they did manage to grow to the #1 airline...
I'll go to bed when I am good and ready.
AA had hubs in BNA and RDU - they gave up their number 1 position.
DL was a very distant #2 at DFW in capacity but #2 in revenue.
Guess what. DL is still a distant #2 at DFW in capacity and still #2 in revenue. They lost absolutely nothing in DFW but they did manage to grow to the #1 airline at both LGA and JFK, both where AA was larger than DL at the time DL started its expansion.
Once again, you are so hellbent in defending AA that you can't realize the huge strategic failures that have littered AA's network over the years.
DL continues to grow in other carrier hubs and strength markets.
AA can't even hold onto its position in its own hubs.
LGA, JFK, RDU, BNA, ORD, LAX. that is a pretty long list of major airports where AA was the largest airline at one time but no longer is.
If you can't understand the difference between what AA has done and what DL has done and continues to do, you need not only to go to bed but PERMANENTLY set the computer down.
At least geographically it seems that an Austin focus city makes more sense for Delta than for American. Delta has a very limited presence in Texas, where American's is huge. A large Austin focus would seem to detract from American's huge hub at DFW. Delta has no such presence.
Ben knows full well that his blog exists because he likes to stir the pot.
Getting ahead of the comments simply means that most of the context and facts are missing both in the original article and in the replies so far.
First, let us know what routes DL has dropped from AUS since it proclaimed AUS a "focus city" - whatever that means.
Delta (or any other airline) has not defined what...
Ben knows full well that his blog exists because he likes to stir the pot.
Getting ahead of the comments simply means that most of the context and facts are missing both in the original article and in the replies so far.
First, let us know what routes DL has dropped from AUS since it proclaimed AUS a "focus city" - whatever that means.
Delta (or any other airline) has not defined what a focus city is and certainly not when AUS became one or if these moves make AUS more of one.
Second, while DL waited for AA to implode at its attempt to match WN's size in AUS, DL overtook AA at LAX, grew even more at BOS and NYC while AA pursued the NEA which a federal judge struck down w/ the help of the DOJ, and DL has indeed grown at AUS.
Third, everyone has their own expectations about what airlines should do and people like MAX prove exactly why they not only are disconnected from what DL or other airlines do, but use their own
expectations - rather than stated company plans - to measure a company's success.
DL has never done anything in the time frame that internet commentators expect. and yet they are the largest airline in BOS, NYC, LAX plus ATL, DTW, MSP and SLC - and with the #1 revenue position in more markets than any other US airline.
I have no idea whether MFE or MAF will work from AUS but they clearly are trying to make AUS a hublette with connections to a half dozen points east.
Ben may as well title the blog "One Tim Dunn Troll At A Time".
Timmy
Stick to what you know…
Delta is the only airline that uses the term focus city
So maybe ask the guys that fired you what it means?
of course you result to lies and insults when you can't discuss the topic.
Just tell us what focus city means.
How has DL managed to add DCA and now AUS service to BNA given that BNA is not a focus city?
and then when you are through w/ that, explain why I am supposedly so supportive of DL after being fired by them.
As usual, you don't make any sense in what you post so resort to personal attacks when your failed logic is exposed
Nice try, Timmy :)
You brought up focus cities
As did delta
Although I’m always amused by your lame attempts to draw others into defending something you yourself said, I don’t have time for your nonsense today :)
But I honestly do just laugh that you bring up delta’s focus cities — something they started. No one else — then expect others who could care less about delta to defend your...
Nice try, Timmy :)
You brought up focus cities
As did delta
Although I’m always amused by your lame attempts to draw others into defending something you yourself said, I don’t have time for your nonsense today :)
But I honestly do just laugh that you bring up delta’s focus cities — something they started. No one else — then expect others who could care less about delta to defend your precious delta’s definition of them — a definition they bestow upon austin
You’re more than welcome to defend delta’s tired focus city definition. You betray your usual lack of knowledge when you start the day by demanding others defend a stance you said they took when they never did lol
You certainly do amuse :)
So again…. The folks at delta fired you. Perhaps you should ask them how to defend your weird stance about not knowing what your beloved means by focus city
You expect me to figure that out for you? Lol
Perhaps you should ask Ed Bastian or your buddy, Brad?
I'm not defending anything.
It is your lack of reading comprehension that turned this into a rant about focus cities when I said I don't know the definition and neither has Delta said what it is.
None of which changes that you decide to trash other people when you can't answer thje basic question.
If you think you know what a focus city is, explain it and do nothing else.
Including making factually incorrect statements.
Enjoy your day, Timmy
You walk into a comments sections that eagerly await a good Laugh from your comments and yet still walk right into it…
Perhaps don’t do your usual lame misdirect attempt about definitions on something delta themselves started and can’t seem to figure out that everyone expects from you when you don’t know what to say…
You’ve become a tad predictable… even an AI generator i could code would generate your voice…
Tim - again, you can’t take whenever someone makes a coherent argument against you. You then say things like “of course you result to lies and insults when you can't discuss the topic.” Which is what you’ll say now - “if you can’t contribute, just go away.” But wait, you say that Ben stirs the pot by encouraging this. So I aren’t I doing him a favor?
The fact is that you can’t handle;e whenever anyone challenges you.
Tim ... Jesus ... for Christ's sake! Go see a psychologist already ... your obsession with DL is so gross and disgusting I'm sitting here hoping you have some kind of mental disorder, because if you don't you must be one of the weirdest, most boring and sycophantic people on the face of the Earth.
Also, in defense of Ben ... his blog does NOT exist to stir the pot. Once every 2-3 weeks or so, he posts something that can be construed to be related to DL's corporate strategy. Most of us read his blog for the following 2 reasons (and, sorry Tim, trying to glean DL route-network planning is not one of them):
1) Trip reviews
2) Mileage redemption strategies and opportunities
None of us who actually...
Also, in defense of Ben ... his blog does NOT exist to stir the pot. Once every 2-3 weeks or so, he posts something that can be construed to be related to DL's corporate strategy. Most of us read his blog for the following 2 reasons (and, sorry Tim, trying to glean DL route-network planning is not one of them):
1) Trip reviews
2) Mileage redemption strategies and opportunities
None of us who actually care about traveling and flying actually care about DL, since they do not afford us any opportunities to travel given their horrible loyalty program. Only YOU care about DL, and TBH I think most of us do not care about YOU. In fact, we are sick and tired of how sycophantic and gross you are. I can't even imagine meeting you in person, what kind of a corporate shill you would be.
Everyone ... imagine now going to a bar and having a beer with Tim Dunn ... Now wipe your memory, since the experience was probably one of the most awkward and painful moments you've ever had while traveling.
Tim, please go back to your mother's basement and pop your pimples.
Best,
Not You (Thankfully)
We all know that Delta is the world's only PERFECT airline. Just ask Tim. LOL
Holy cow. It is beyond pathological that a half dozen people post comments about this article before me and then I show up and a few people go off the deep end - again.
I post on plenty of other articles including some that have nothing to do with Delta.
The real issue is that some can't stand that I bring verify facts and data to the discussion which is all I have...
Holy cow. It is beyond pathological that a half dozen people post comments about this article before me and then I show up and a few people go off the deep end - again.
I post on plenty of other articles including some that have nothing to do with Delta.
The real issue is that some can't stand that I bring verify facts and data to the discussion which is all I have done with my comments to this article.
Absent any mental capacity to respond to those facts, they attack the user.
Says far more about them than me
Bring a real fact.
Any whatsoever, tim
The fact that even lucky jokes about you should be a trigger for you…. But it isn’t
You don’t know what dot data means vs what it doesn’t but insist on forcing the passport plum view of it as fact when the real view of it is far more nuanced than you have any idea
But you do keep to your usual, when you know...
Bring a real fact.
Any whatsoever, tim
The fact that even lucky jokes about you should be a trigger for you…. But it isn’t
You don’t know what dot data means vs what it doesn’t but insist on forcing the passport plum view of it as fact when the real view of it is far more nuanced than you have any idea
But you do keep to your usual, when you know you’ve been called out as ignorant and a laughing stock, you resort to assuming a fake celebrity status to distance yourself from the reality of how you’re actually viewed :)
you mean you argue incessantly and engage in personal attacks when someone brings facts that you don't like - including about DOT data.
it is you, not me and certainly not Ben that is too thin-skinned to deal w/ a little levity.
I don’t mind data
I use it on a daily basis and know what it means
But I don’t project it for my own ends to make a preferred goal seem better for no reason
"Holy cow. It is beyond pathological that a half dozen people post comments about this article before me and then I show up and a few people go off the deep end - again."
Sadly, have to agree.
“It is beyond pathological that a half dozen people post comments about this article before me and then I show up…”
To be fair, I waited until now, Tim. Because I have a job where I do other things than shill for Delta.
The reason people make fun of you Tim, before you even post, is because you have a pathological obsession with Delta. But you then turn around and call Max pathological. Kettle, meet pot.
There is absolutely nothing pathological about what I have posted.
I have posted on multiple other articles that have nothing to do with Delta.
It is you and a few others that are fixated on what I write and can't stand the truth of what I write.
YOU WILL move on.
Tim,
You're so stubborn. When will you realize that even if there is actual truth to what you argue, your arguments always land flat because nobody likes you. You can't sell your arguments to any of us, because you're an abusive commenter who engages in sycophantic behavior. It's not that people disagree with you, but that they don't like the attitude and tone you use when making your arguments. You could say everything you...
Tim,
You're so stubborn. When will you realize that even if there is actual truth to what you argue, your arguments always land flat because nobody likes you. You can't sell your arguments to any of us, because you're an abusive commenter who engages in sycophantic behavior. It's not that people disagree with you, but that they don't like the attitude and tone you use when making your arguments. You could say everything you say and not come across as a corporate shill for Delta, a rah-rah boy, etc., and people would take you more seriously.
Until then, I'm sorry. I'm guessing you don't have many friends, which is why you spend your time here. I don't think you're going to find any friends here, though.
I post as much as I do on multiple topics because Ben provides interesting topics. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't play on the internet looking for friends and I question where the logic is for someone that argues that they post enough to have friends and then for someone that they deem is incapable of doing so.
Pro tip: you do you and quit focusing on what other people do and you...
I post as much as I do on multiple topics because Ben provides interesting topics. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't play on the internet looking for friends and I question where the logic is for someone that argues that they post enough to have friends and then for someone that they deem is incapable of doing so.
Pro tip: you do you and quit focusing on what other people do and you will live a whole lot longer and happier. same for all of the others that are fixated on me.
Midland is a pretty clear oilfield route. Oil companies were hiring private planes to get employees between Austin and Midland before COVID when Southwest pulled their direct flight. It could be pretty successful with a regional jet but three times a day still seems like a lot.
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I’ll Admit that Delta’s route planners know more than I do. But… MAF-AUS an oil route? MAF-IAH, sure… MAF-DFW… meh… there’s some there but nothing like Iah. But austin? Does austin even have single oil company based there? I would’ve thought the city council ran them out of town by now… :)
As they say in Bernie… the people’s republic of Austin.. a bunch of liberal fruitcakes ;)
https://youtu.be/JREkqCvLzSo?si=NBYeGay7j7d5gs-i
Unless you...
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I’ll Admit that Delta’s route planners know more than I do. But… MAF-AUS an oil route? MAF-IAH, sure… MAF-DFW… meh… there’s some there but nothing like Iah. But austin? Does austin even have single oil company based there? I would’ve thought the city council ran them out of town by now… :)
As they say in Bernie… the people’s republic of Austin.. a bunch of liberal fruitcakes ;)
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Unless you mean where oil field guys want to go for their weekend which, I assume, austin would be high up there for them
But I don’t think there’s much corporate oil market traffic between Midland and Austin, just government
Most likely they're using AUS mostly as a connecting point to get to Midland and McAllen. What legitimate DL hub can sensibly serve those cities? MSP?
Honestly if it works, they might consider routing to places like ELP through AUS too, on similar logic.
On the other hand, AUS is really not all that big...
A lot of Snowbirds from the Twin Cities / Upper Midwest go to the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) in the winter, so the McAllen-Austin-MSP route has merit.
Does austin even have single oil company based there?
Quite a few actually.
They don't have the super-conglomerates like IAH does, but they've got about a dozen or so sizable names.... off the top of my head:
Texas Vanguard Oil is based there, and both PetroForce and Kachina Petroleum have regional HQs there.
Granted, this is from discovery that I was involved in pre-Covid, so things may have changed. But AUS had at...
Does austin even have single oil company based there?
Quite a few actually.
They don't have the super-conglomerates like IAH does, but they've got about a dozen or so sizable names.... off the top of my head:
Texas Vanguard Oil is based there, and both PetroForce and Kachina Petroleum have regional HQs there.
Granted, this is from discovery that I was involved in pre-Covid, so things may have changed. But AUS had at least 10+ companies with 9-figure petroleum revenues based there.
If DL is adding the likes of MAF, then I'd be shocked if that's not what they're after.
Parsley and Statoil were headquartered in Austin. All State regulators. There's a large presence in Austin.
What happened to saying, "AuStIn'S rEaL eStAtE mArKeT iS nO lOnGeR bOoMiNg"? Austin still got a robust real estate market that was the hottest in the country due to Covid and got walloped afterward, just because it went too high and too fast. It's still way higher than 2020. The business is still booming in the city and it's still one of the fastest growing cities in the country. The expansion is logical but the...
What happened to saying, "AuStIn'S rEaL eStAtE mArKeT iS nO lOnGeR bOoMiNg"? Austin still got a robust real estate market that was the hottest in the country due to Covid and got walloped afterward, just because it went too high and too fast. It's still way higher than 2020. The business is still booming in the city and it's still one of the fastest growing cities in the country. The expansion is logical but the airport is a mess. They need to expand the airport like yesterday.
I wrote about this on my blog months ago. My 1.79k followers are the most informed people on the planet.
Hooray, more fapping material for we-all-know-who.
This is like the 3rd or 4th time Delta has added service to McAllen in the past 20 years. I give it a year.
Delta will have no more success than AA did in Austin......probably less. The Terminal is over crowded and the market itself has way too much capacity that the local market can support. Delta was chased out of DFW market prior to the BK and has had a tough time getting any traction in Texas with AA/UAL and SWA all having Big Operations down there.
I actually do wonder if delta will stick it out in austin for the long run. Texas is such a huge hole in their network. Well… basically texas and about two states in any direction is a giant hole for delta.
Even with the new austin concourse, austin can’t be a big connecting hub any time soon, but it will be interesting to see how far delta goes with this. Delta certainly has the...
I actually do wonder if delta will stick it out in austin for the long run. Texas is such a huge hole in their network. Well… basically texas and about two states in any direction is a giant hole for delta.
Even with the new austin concourse, austin can’t be a big connecting hub any time soon, but it will be interesting to see how far delta goes with this. Delta certainly has the money to lose for a few years to see how austin develops for them. I’m not going to suggest austin will have anywhere near the number of gates to rival the dfw or Iah Mexico networks but a texas hub would be an amazing partner to AM in their JV.
For aa, austin was always a spoke for dfw and aa had extra RJs to throw at austin… but then the pilots squawked about the austin flying…
first, the pilots required the company to fulfill the terms of their contract which limited the number of RJs which AA could use and AA intentionally violated.
second, AA pulled RJs out of the NE to try to outsource flying to B6 and the DOJ and a federal judge said that was illegal.
third, Gary noted that DL will now be at or close to parity with AA at AUS.
DL never...
first, the pilots required the company to fulfill the terms of their contract which limited the number of RJs which AA could use and AA intentionally violated.
second, AA pulled RJs out of the NE to try to outsource flying to B6 and the DOJ and a federal judge said that was illegal.
third, Gary noted that DL will now be at or close to parity with AA at AUS.
DL never said it intended to build a large connecting hub anywhere in Texas - that is only your imagination. DL did say it would slowly build AUS and grow its presence in Texas as a whole - and it is doing that. It has surpassed UA in AUS, is now at parity w/ AA at AUS, and serves both Houston and Dallas airports, something AA and UA don't do.
Tim, are you serious? DL serves neither Houston or Dallas from Austin.
@ Please - Tim was trying to say that Delta serves both Houston airports and both Dallas airports - not necessarily from Austin. His writing wasn’t clear. (Am I allowed to post Tim? Am I contributing?)
Timmy
I’m Just having a normal what-if convo
Delta fired you. You don’t know their strategy. You live in the shadows of the comments sections of better people. So just let it go and engage on a conversation instead of your usual absolutist nonsense
If you think serving dfw/dal or Iah/hou makes delta relevant in texas, you might be dumber than I thought lol. If you want to be relevant in texas,...
Timmy
I’m Just having a normal what-if convo
Delta fired you. You don’t know their strategy. You live in the shadows of the comments sections of better people. So just let it go and engage on a conversation instead of your usual absolutist nonsense
If you think serving dfw/dal or Iah/hou makes delta relevant in texas, you might be dumber than I thought lol. If you want to be relevant in texas, you provide texas residents with options from their state, not an a321 to atl then backtrack to Okc.
Don’t pretend relevance where it doesn’t exist. The rest of us are talking about the possibilities of delta in austin
Not your weird dreams that aren’t in reality. Join us :)
Delta is a great carrier but come back to reality.
Maybe walk away from Zocalo’s for a few then chat back with us
do you take that stuff that killed Matthew Perry?
You continue to be fixated with the notion that Delta needs to be on par w/ AA, UA or WN in Texas and yet you can't seem to explain why none of the holes in AA, WN or UA's networks matter in other parts of the country.
Your obsession w/ finding fault w/ Delta and me is pathological
There is no other way to explain it.
SW and AA are at a huuuuge disadvantage because DL flies a premium product and earns premium revenue. DL could put a hub in Lubbock and make money.
How sweet and on brand for you, tim
No. I don’t take drugs since you can’t seem to respond with anything else but that when it comes to logic :)
You’ll have to hope for a heart attack for me before that if you want to continue spouting nonsense unchecked by me
Sorry to disappoint you
But I’ll be there for you ;)
But yeah…
Holes in the network
Texas. It’s kind of the article topic if you and Brad put your margarita down ;)
I don't wish ill on you or anyone.
I do wish you would demonstrate some commonsense.
Of course, Delta is the smallest of the big 4 in Texas but it is still the 2nd largest carrier at DAL HOU and LUV and they are on the way to doing that at AUS.
that is true at MIA, MDW, and DCA.
when a carrier consistently ends up not just as the largest carrier in...
I don't wish ill on you or anyone.
I do wish you would demonstrate some commonsense.
Of course, Delta is the smallest of the big 4 in Texas but it is still the 2nd largest carrier at DAL HOU and LUV and they are on the way to doing that at AUS.
that is true at MIA, MDW, and DCA.
when a carrier consistently ends up not just as the largest carrier in their own hubs and dozens of mid-size cities and consistently #2 in other carrier hubs, they are doing a whole lot better than you want to believe.
And you, again, can't stand to talk about all of the markets where UA and WN are not in the top 2 carriers - and let alone no bad word can be said about AA.
Ben, That's the spirit! Lean into the troll!
The troll begins looking at Austin real estate…only the best cities ever are served by the best airline in the world #DeltaOrDie
> Of course it is. This is the greatest, most brilliant expansion any airline has ever undertaken. Until the airline retreats, and then of course that’s also the right decision, because Delta can do no wrong. JK… but getting out ahead of the comments section.
So Tim...