Comedian Slams American Airlines After Pilot “Steals” First Class Seat

Comedian Slams American Airlines After Pilot “Steals” First Class Seat

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A comedian is angry after he was recently downgraded on an American Airlines flight from Hawaii to the mainland. While his frustration is justified, does he actually understand what happened?

American downgrades couple from first class on Hawaii flight

OMAAT reader Simon flags how comedian Jim Breuer spent over 31 minutes ranting about a recent experience on American, where he and his wife splurged on first class tickets from Honolulu (HNL) to Phoenix (PHX). You don’t actually need to watch the entire rant, but let me briefly summarize.

Long story short, a few minutes before boarding in Honolulu, Breuer and his wife were paged at the gate, and were informed that the flight was overbooked in first class, and they’d need to be downgraded. As it turns out, two pilots in uniform ended up in their seats, as the husband and wife were downgraded to seats in row 18. The gate agent offered them $500 each in compensation, but he found that to be insulting when they spent “thousands” on their first class tickets, and turned it down.

Now, the reason you’d want to watch this long video is to realize just how furious Breuer is about what happened:

  • He says that the adrenaline of being lied to and being violated meant he basically couldn’t sleep for days, and he became “obsessed”
  • He thinks the pilots “stole” their “tickets,” and he describes this as being no different than someone showing up and stealing your wallet
  • He claims he has pilot friends at American who confirmed that pilots could never take seats from paying passengers in first class
  • He started asking every American employee he could find about whether first class is ever overbooked, and he claims to have basically been told what he wanted to hear

You can watch the video for yourself below, as there’s a lot more drama that’s described. However, I think the above covers the pertinent details.

This is likely a misunderstanding with poor communication

I completely empathize with Breuer’s frustration. How annoying to splurge on a special experience, only to then have it taken away from you, and feel like you’re being lied to, especially without a good explanation, or sufficient compensation.

However, best I can tell, his perception of things isn’t completely correct, and it seems pretty clear to me what really happened. These pilots were presumably deadheading (meaning they were being repositioned for work at the request of the airline), and on flights between Hawaii and the mainland, pilots are entitled to the highest class of service, even if it means bumping a paying passenger. Here’s the relevant part of American’s pilot contract:

Pilots who are scheduled (allocated or rescheduled/reassigned) to deadhead will be provided:

(1) The highest class on board the aircraft, First or Business class, as applicable, on any of the following:
(a) transoceanic International flights
(b) on flights to or from Hawaii and Alaska
(c) and on flights south of the equator
(d) In no circumstances will a pilot assigned to deadhead on any of the flights listed in 19.D.2.a.(1)(a)-(c) above, be required to deadhead in any economy cabin. If a pilot is scheduled to deadhead to base on the last leg of a sequence chooses to deviate from the scheduled deadhead in order to deadhead to the pilot’s residence or designated city, business class accommodations will be provided, if available at the time of booking. If business class is unavailable, such pilot will be booked in economy.

Let me emphasize that this is different than how pilots on flights not covered in the above markets receive economy, and then get priority on the upgrade lists, even above elites. In those situations, no one will be bumped.

I see no signs here that there was any foul play, or that any rules were broken. For that matter, there’s too much transparency in reservations systems nowadays, and a gate agent wouldn’t do this to help their friend, or anything. They were likely literally just following policy.

Now, what’s most frustrating here — and I think this largely sums up the service culture at American — is how this was communicated:

  • The gate agent should’ve transparently explained what’s going on — he should be honest in explaining that American needs to reposition a crew, and per their contract, pilots are entitled to first class; that way the passengers don’t feel like they’re being “stolen” from
  • The gate agent should’ve proactively offered more alternative flight options in first class, so that they could make a more informed decision as to whether or no they wanted to take the flight in economy
  • It would be nice if the gate agent also explained that they’d be entitled to a refund, in addition to whatever compensation is offered
  • For that matter, the airline should’ve asked for volunteers in first class to downgrade by offering bigger vouchers, rather than forcing two passengers to downgrade

I think one important thing worth emphasizing is that virtually all US carriers have a similar policy with positive space premium cabin deadheading for pilots in some markets. So this would’ve also happened on Delta or United, though hopefully they would’ve done a better job communicating the situation.

Pilots receive positive space first class in some markets

Bottom line

A comedian and his wife were scheduled to fly American first class from Honolulu to Phoenix. Upon arriving at the gate, they found out they had been downgraded to economy. Understandably this is something you don’t want to find out prior to boarding a redeye flight.

However, what made this even worse is the way that the passenger felt like his seat was being stolen from him, and he claims he couldn’t stop thinking about it for days.

While I completely understand the frustration he must’ve felt in this situation, it sounds to me like American was following its pilot contract, which gives deadheading pilots first class on flights between Hawaii and the mainland. Yes, they get that even if it means bumping a paid first class passenger.

The big failure here is that this wasn’t better communicated to the passenger, as I imagine that would’ve made him feel less violated.

What do you make of this American downgrade situation?

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  1. Anon Guest

    It is "stolen" because it is taken away against the customer's wishes. It doesn't matter if airlines are bounded by contract to do anything. It also doesn't matter whether the airlines explained it properly because it is the airlines' problem, not my problem, so still doesn't explain to me why should my seat be taken away against my wishes. The only acceptable solution is keep upping the compensation until enough people takes it

    Also, the...

    It is "stolen" because it is taken away against the customer's wishes. It doesn't matter if airlines are bounded by contract to do anything. It also doesn't matter whether the airlines explained it properly because it is the airlines' problem, not my problem, so still doesn't explain to me why should my seat be taken away against my wishes. The only acceptable solution is keep upping the compensation until enough people takes it

    Also, the refund is paltry. Airlines usually take the cash price of highest priced Y ticket at time of rebooking, which can be almost the price of J/F ticket one purchased

  2. Boyd Guest

    Great analysis of a sticky situation. This episode should be a training scenario for agents using your input.

  3. Zeek Guest

    Perhaps with the paltry bonus the AA employees received the gate agent DGAF.

  4. AA FA Guest

    The downgrade algorithm at AA is extremely complicated for passengers AND employees to understand. It takes into account your status, what fare class you ORIGINALLY booked (to account for upgrades), and what the fare actually cost. It’s an automated process and if you’re at the bottom of the list, that’s the end of it. On the very rare occasion I’ve dealt with passengers asking why they got downgraded, nobody has been able to explain it...

    The downgrade algorithm at AA is extremely complicated for passengers AND employees to understand. It takes into account your status, what fare class you ORIGINALLY booked (to account for upgrades), and what the fare actually cost. It’s an automated process and if you’re at the bottom of the list, that’s the end of it. On the very rare occasion I’ve dealt with passengers asking why they got downgraded, nobody has been able to explain it to them properly. The gate agent could have done WAY better, but that’s PHX America West for ya.

  5. R T Guest

    "American needs to reposition a crew, and per their contract, pilots are entitled to first class; that way the passengers don’t feel like they’re being “stolen” from"

    No, the passengers are still being stolen from.

  6. TravelinWilly Diamond

    I was on a UA flight from IAD to LAX last week. They down-gauged the equipment from a 787-9 to a 787-8, which meant a significant reduction in Polaris seats, including wiping out the seat inventory behind doors number two, one seat of which was mine.

    The gate agent was offering 50,000 UA points or a $1,000 travel voucher for business class passengers to downgrade to Y, PLUS a refund of the price of...

    I was on a UA flight from IAD to LAX last week. They down-gauged the equipment from a 787-9 to a 787-8, which meant a significant reduction in Polaris seats, including wiping out the seat inventory behind doors number two, one seat of which was mine.

    The gate agent was offering 50,000 UA points or a $1,000 travel voucher for business class passengers to downgrade to Y, PLUS a refund of the price of the ticket paid for the trip. They had absolutely zero problem getting takers, and I was reassigned into the front Polaris cabin without any hiccups (including to the bulkhead with extra legroom - YES!).

    Wouldn’t it have been easier for American to have offered the same simple type of deal? Not suggesting the exact same one, but there are creative ways to do this without alienating customers. And I never thought I would be extolling the virtues of United Airlines, but here we are.

    1. UncleRonnie Diamond

      Profitable airlines can offer higher cash amounts to downgraded pax. AA can’t.

  7. Me Guest

    That it is American policy for deadheading pilots is irrelevant.

    They should have asked for volunteers and auctioned off either the bump to coach or a bump to first class on another flight to the lowest bidder like they do when they overbook coach flights. Voluntary bumping makes for happy customers all the way around.

    It wasn't the comedian's fault that American needed the two seats he had already paid for to reposition their pilots.

  8. AABumps Guest

    Restitution and compensation seemed lower than it should be. Don't trust AA when buying premium seats or upgrades.

  9. Steve Guest

    Sara Nelson approves of policies like this, and hope it continues under Isom's PHENOMENAL leadership!

  10. George Romey Guest

    Yes, it sucks. Presumably if he and his wife had no status with AA and all seats were paid for in cash they would be the first to be yanked out. Most airlines will put their deadheading pilots in first on long haul even if it means downgrading revenue passengers.

    Now it seems as though the gate agent was trying to be coy and did not seem to want to look for alternative flights OR...

    Yes, it sucks. Presumably if he and his wife had no status with AA and all seats were paid for in cash they would be the first to be yanked out. Most airlines will put their deadheading pilots in first on long haul even if it means downgrading revenue passengers.

    Now it seems as though the gate agent was trying to be coy and did not seem to want to look for alternative flights OR solicit offers for downgrades similar to being overbooked. That's not to say there would have been any takers, particularly if the amount offer wasn't generous.

    1. Simon Guest

      Perhaps the gate agent thought they were Ma and Pa Kettle but he turned out to have a big microphone (and apparently will be back on Joe Rogan next week). Oops!

  11. Hank Guest

    Passengers also have a contract with the airline - that’s what a ticket is. What you are saying is that the pilot contract supersedes the passenger contract.

    While that may be legal, it isn’t ethical. The ticket was presumably purchased well before the pilot decided to deadhead. And yet the pilot takes precedence at the passenger’s expense.

    No business in the world operates like that except for airlines. Why? Because it’s a terrible way to treat a paying customer.

    1. PeteAU Guest

      It wasn't a matter of the pilots "deciding to deadhead". They were on duty in uniform, not heading back on vacation. The bottom line is that passengers were left angry and disappointed. In usual form AA demonstrated a shitty, dismissive attitude to service recovery, which has only made things worse.

    2. Nonplussed Guest

      The pilot didn’t suddenly “decide” to deadhead. Pilots are *assigned* to deadhead on flights to and from other flights where they are literally flying the aircraft. You seem to not understand this very important distinction.

      As for legal and/or ethical, the “Contract of Carriage” that each and every customer agrees to when purchasing a ticket does indeed allow the airline to do what they did here. Is it legal? Yes. Is it ethical? If you...

      The pilot didn’t suddenly “decide” to deadhead. Pilots are *assigned* to deadhead on flights to and from other flights where they are literally flying the aircraft. You seem to not understand this very important distinction.

      As for legal and/or ethical, the “Contract of Carriage” that each and every customer agrees to when purchasing a ticket does indeed allow the airline to do what they did here. Is it legal? Yes. Is it ethical? If you purchased the ticket agreeing to all points written in the Contract of Carriage, then it certainly is. Buyer beware.

    3. Hank Guest

      If you order a steak and the chef decides to eat it, can they serve you a burger instead (and discount the price difference)?

      That’s basically what you are condoning here.

    4. Hank Guest

      If you order a steak and the chef decides to eat it, can they serve you a burger instead (and discount the price difference)?

      That’s basically what you are condoning here.

    5. Chris Guest

      Actually every business in the world with a labor agreement would operate the same way.

  12. Nonplussed Guest

    Re: digital nomad—

    As Lucky wrote, both UA and DL also have agreed to seat deadheading pilots in premium cabin seats—displacing paying passengers if necessary. It’s not self-dealing or arrogant. Why? Because UA, DL and AA management *agreed* to this when the pilot labor contracts were signed. It’s just business.

    How that is communicated to the customer is entirely up to those airline gate agents if it comes to that point. Or, as another...

    Re: digital nomad—

    As Lucky wrote, both UA and DL also have agreed to seat deadheading pilots in premium cabin seats—displacing paying passengers if necessary. It’s not self-dealing or arrogant. Why? Because UA, DL and AA management *agreed* to this when the pilot labor contracts were signed. It’s just business.

    How that is communicated to the customer is entirely up to those airline gate agents if it comes to that point. Or, as another poster said, how the airline reaches out to the customer to placate them. AA seems to do a poor job of this—DL and UA handle it with more grace.

    Bottom line: nothing was “stolen” from this person. The benefit of flight crews flying in 1st class is a perk negotiated far away from HNL or any other airport gate. It is “paid for” somewhere else in that pilot contract with the company. Again, it’s just business.

  13. Simon Guest

    @ Ben - yay, I'm famous!

    Also, is there anything a premium passenger can do to avoid being bumped like this other than checking in ASAP right at 24 hours?

    1. Santastico Diamond

      I think it would be much better if the airline makes it very transparent on their selection process of who gets downgraded if something like this happens. Why was the couple the unlucky ones? Apparently they paid for their seats in first class vs being upgraded. Were they selected because they were a couple vs passengers flying alone? Were all the passengers left in first class paying for their tickets or some got upgraded because...

      I think it would be much better if the airline makes it very transparent on their selection process of who gets downgraded if something like this happens. Why was the couple the unlucky ones? Apparently they paid for their seats in first class vs being upgraded. Were they selected because they were a couple vs passengers flying alone? Were all the passengers left in first class paying for their tickets or some got upgraded because of status? Did passengers in first that were not downgraded paid higher fares than the couple? I think if AA made it very clear how they handle situations like this one can probably find ways to avoid it for example by maybe paying a higher fare or having status.

  14. Jojo Guest

    AA and Marriott, really are the worst. They should both attempt to at least reach frontier and Wyndham service levels!

  15. digital_notmad Diamond

    you have to imagine the GA didn't want to be honest because explaining this policy straightforwardly to an ordinary customer will very clearly have you/the airline sounding like real a**holes. i understand the reasoning in support of the policy, even if i don't find it compelling -- but at the end of the day, the airlines should take a hard look in the mirror and ask whether it is wise to maintain a policy that...

    you have to imagine the GA didn't want to be honest because explaining this policy straightforwardly to an ordinary customer will very clearly have you/the airline sounding like real a**holes. i understand the reasoning in support of the policy, even if i don't find it compelling -- but at the end of the day, the airlines should take a hard look in the mirror and ask whether it is wise to maintain a policy that creates strong incentives to lie because the truth sounds markedly self-dealing and arrogant.

    1. Simon Guest

      With all due respect, I disagree. I think there is a way to honestly explain the rule. For example:

      I'm very sorry, but we have pilots here in Honolulu that were urgently assigned to operate a flight out of Phoenix tomorrow morning. For the safety of that flight, and in accordance with the pilots' contract with AA, it is mandatory that they travel in first class seats. Unfortunately, based on criteria outside of my control,...

      With all due respect, I disagree. I think there is a way to honestly explain the rule. For example:

      I'm very sorry, but we have pilots here in Honolulu that were urgently assigned to operate a flight out of Phoenix tomorrow morning. For the safety of that flight, and in accordance with the pilots' contract with AA, it is mandatory that they travel in first class seats. Unfortunately, based on criteria outside of my control, the computer system has selected your seats for this purpose. Again, I'm very sorry, and here's what we can do to make things right...

  16. david Guest

    Sounds about right for AA

  17. brandote Gold

    Was in Hawaii with a friend and the day we were supposed to fly back, the friend got a call from Delta apologizing that due to whatever reason they couldn’t accommodate her in Delta One. They proactively rebooked her through ATL on a later flight *and* gave her a $2000 flight credit. Thats how you handle a situation like this, vs $500 to downgrade.

    1. Rob Guest

      Wouldn’t they be entitled to a refund of the cost of the first class tickets? How can the airline justify keeping their money having not provided the service paid for?

    2. brandote Gold

      She was rebooked into D1 on another flight AND got a $2000 flight credit for the trouble. No refund for being accommodated on an alternate flight in the same class of service paid for.

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TravelinWilly Diamond

I was on a UA flight from IAD to LAX last week. They down-gauged the equipment from a 787-9 to a 787-8, which meant a significant reduction in Polaris seats, including wiping out the seat inventory behind doors number two, one seat of which was mine. The gate agent was offering 50,000 UA points or a $1,000 travel voucher for business class passengers to downgrade to Y, PLUS a refund of the price of the ticket paid for the trip. They had absolutely zero problem getting takers, and I was reassigned into the front Polaris cabin without any hiccups (including to the bulkhead with extra legroom - YES!). Wouldn’t it have been easier for American to have offered the same simple type of deal? Not suggesting the exact same one, but there are creative ways to do this without alienating customers. And I never thought I would be extolling the virtues of United Airlines, but here we are.

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digital_notmad Diamond

you have to imagine the GA didn't want to be honest because explaining this policy straightforwardly to an ordinary customer will very clearly have you/the airline sounding like real a**holes. i understand the reasoning in support of the policy, even if i don't find it compelling -- but at the end of the day, the airlines should take a hard look in the mirror and ask whether it is wise to maintain a policy that creates strong incentives to lie because the truth sounds markedly self-dealing and arrogant.

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brandote Gold

Was in Hawaii with a friend and the day we were supposed to fly back, the friend got a call from Delta apologizing that due to whatever reason they couldn’t accommodate her in Delta One. They proactively rebooked her through ATL on a later flight *and* gave her a $2000 flight credit. Thats how you handle a situation like this, vs $500 to downgrade.

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