Amazon Air First Officer Repeatedly Warned Captain Of Excessive Speed Before Fatal Miami Crash

Amazon Air First Officer Repeatedly Warned Captain Of Excessive Speed Before Fatal Miami Crash

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Over the weekend we saw a tragic accident at Miami Airport (MIA), involving a Boeing 767 belonging to cargo operator 21 Air (operating on behalf of Amazon Air). The plane overran the runway, and ultimately hit two cars, claiming five lives.

As usual, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is doing a stellar job with its investigation, including how it’s communicating. Yesterday I covered what we learned from the last 30 seconds of the flight data recorder. The NTSB has now released some details from what was heard during the final minutes on the cockpit voice recorder, and it points to an absolutely infuriating level of crew resource management (CRM).

The Amazon Air 767 cockpit voice recorder is a disaster

While a direct transcript hasn’t been released, the NTSB has shared what was observed during the final six (or so) minutes of the cockpit voice recorder of the Amazon Air Boeing 767, before it stopped recording. Below are the observations, and then we’ll talk more about it.

​Approximate Time to End of CVR Recording (mm:ss)
​Observation
​06:02
​A pilot called for flaps to be set to 1 degree.​
​04:18
​The flight crew checked in with Miami tower and were cleared to land on runway 30.
​02:53
​​A pilot called for flaps to be set to 5 degrees.
​02:37
​The flight crew lowered the landing gear.​
​02:14
​A pilot called for flaps to be set to 15 degrees.​
​01:42
​A pilot called for flaps t​o be set to 20 degrees, and the other pilot cautioned they were too fast. The other pilot made additional comments regarding the aircraft’s excessive speed throughout the remainder of the recording. There was not a consistent verbal response to the comments about speed.
​01:23
​Sounds consistent with autopilot disconnect.​
01:12
​Electronic “one thousand” callout.
01:04
​Electronic “sink rate sink rate” callout.​
​00:58
​Electronic “five hundred” callout.​
​00:57
​Electronic “sink rate sink rate” callout.
​00:54
​Electronic “one hundred” callout.​
​00:50
​Electronic “minimums” callout.​
​00:48
​Electronic “too low terrain” callout. Annunciated four times.
​00:41
​​A pilot called for flaps to be set to 30 degrees.
​00:40
​Electronic “forty” callout.​
​00:39
​Electronic “too low terrain” callout.
​00:36
​Electronic “ten” callout.​
​00:31
​Sounds similar to the aircraft touching down.
​00:15
​A pilot called for a go-around.​
​00:10
​Sounds similar to the aircraft departing the paved surface.
​00:00
​The CVR recording ended.​

Since the pilots are being referred to as “a pilot” and “other pilot,” let’s just clarify that it was the 55-year-old ex-Army Black Hawk captain who was flying the plane, while the 37-year-old Colombian born first officer was the one working the radios.

We know this because all of the racists who immediately started yelling “DEI” from the rooftops before any details were made available drew conclusions based on the pilot communicating having an accent. What they conveniently ignored is that the pilot communicating is specifically the pilot not flying.

Two things stand out about the cockpit voice recorder details. First of all, 1min42sec before the end of the recording (and 1min11sec before touchdown), there’s this:

​A pilot called for flaps t​o be set to 20 degrees, and the other pilot cautioned they were too fast. The other pilot made additional comments regarding the aircraft’s excessive speed throughout the remainder of the recording. There was not a consistent verbal response to the comments about speed.

So the first officer warned the captain that they were going too fast, and continued to make comments about that all the way until the accident, but he didn’t receive consistent acknowledgment of that? Wow…

Second of all, 39sec before the end of the recording (and 8sec before touchdown), there was a “too low terrain” warning. As pointed out by the brilliant Steve Giordano, at that point the flaps hadn’t yet reached 30 degrees. They were literally still configuring the aircraft while it was over the runway, flying excessively fast.

The lack of airmanship shown here is beyond awful

Remember how we saw that landing video of the Boeing 767 shortly after the accident? Many of us wondered what on earth was going on in the cockpit. Now we know — the pilots also had no clue what was going on.

This is just insanity. You had an extremely inexperienced captain on the aircraft (he had been on the Boeing 767 for three months) ignoring every possible warning, and squandering every possible chance to go around. And this also obviously points out the horrible training and safety standards that 21 Air must have, if pilots call out things, only to basically be ignored.

Now, the first officer doesn’t get a pass either. He repeatedly mentioned the excessive speed on the final approach, and alarm bells must’ve been going off in his head. Why did he not call a go around?! Did he just not feel comfortable speaking up to the captain, did he trust the captain had things under control (even though he clearly didn’t), or what? Nathan Fielder’s “The Rehearsal” certainly comes to mind.

Unfortunately I think this part of the first officer’s LinkedIn profile doesn’t exactly ring true: “known for being dependable, adaptable, and detail-oriented, I thrive in dynamic environments where professionalism, communication, and sound decision-making are essential.” If he had put that sound decision making to work in this case and called a go around earlier, five people would still be alive.

Bottom line

Within days of the deadly Amazon Air Boeing 767 accident in Miami, we have a pretty clear picture of what happened, and there’s simply no denying that pilot error was at least a major factor in this, if not the only factor.

During the final seconds of the flight, the first officer repeatedly warned of excessive speed, and didn’t receive full responses from the captain. They even got a terrain warning seconds before landing, and were still configuring the flaps over the runway. There’s zero reason that a go around shouldn’t have been called much earlier than it was.

This is all absolutely horrifying, and I imagine that 21 Air’s pilot training program will be under quite some scrutiny in the coming days and weeks. I guess this is the issue with us wanting our cheap Amazon packages, and flying going out to the lowest bidder.

What do you make of these Amazon Air cockpit voice recorder details?

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  1. Glidescope Guest

    One thing that sticks out with the NTSB briefing is not what they said, but what they didn't say. By including the e-mail address for contacting the NTSB and asking for more details, it's pretty clear that they smell something rotten at 21 Air, and want people to come forward.

  2. Mike Guest

    The FAA needs to force Amazon Prime Air to get its own operating certificate and stop contracting out to a dozen shit operators. FAA forced UPS hand decades ago when they were doing the same BS.

  3. bhn Guest

    The real question is how many fixed wing hours, especially in large jets, the former helicopter pilot had. Huge difference in fixed vs rotary wing flying.

  4. isaacC Platinum

    I hope there is a good internal review by Amazon and thier cargo operation. Along with thier entire delivery infrastructure. It is far too fragmented and despite them saying it was another company....they still have the amazon smile on the side of the aircraft.

    I hope they bring everything in house and become more like a Fedex or UPS in terms of air operation.

  5. Davisson Guest

    Go around should have been called way earlier. There was no stable approach below 2000 feet. Their rate of decent was approaching 2000 ft a sec which is way beyond any commercial airline allotment. Go around should have been called way before touch down. This plane was doomed from then.

  6. John Guest

    Ben, I think your comments yesterday that NTSB is being stellar and far more communicative than the Indian authorities is a bit unfair. It’s somewhat easier to explain a 767 landing late, too fast and a botched to-around, than why both engines of a 787 spool down immediately after takeoff. Flightradar can explain the first, but unless we have a camera in the cockpit, or a huge stroke of luck we will probably never know what happened to Air India.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ John -- My issue with the DGCA is the complete lack of transparency in their investigation, and the level of bureaucracy. Well over a year later, why have they still not released the details of what was found on the cockpit voice recorder?

      It's not about releasing a final report with definitive findings, but instead, the issue is the lack of transparency in the investigation, when the findings of this could help to improve...

      @ John -- My issue with the DGCA is the complete lack of transparency in their investigation, and the level of bureaucracy. Well over a year later, why have they still not released the details of what was found on the cockpit voice recorder?

      It's not about releasing a final report with definitive findings, but instead, the issue is the lack of transparency in the investigation, when the findings of this could help to improve aviation safety in the future.

      As of now, we've learned nothing from the crash of AI171, and nothing has been done to ensure a similar event won't happen in the future.

  7. snic Diamond

    Ben, you suggested that the FO should have called a go-round earlier. But clearly he was being ignored by the captain. Why do you think the captain would have listened to the FO earlier, since he clearly wasn't listening to him at any point?

    This is just a really tough situation. The pilots have to trust each other in order to work effectively. When one of them starts ignoring the other, what's the other one supposed to do?

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ snic -- Obviously both scenarios are inexcusable, but there's a difference between one pilot sharing observations ("hey, you're going too fast") and taking decisive action. With modern CRM, the intent is that either pilot can call a go around, and the first officer could even say "my aircraft" and execute the go around himself.

      Even with how insanely sloppy and reckless this captain was, I'd hope he wouldn't ignore a go around call on...

      @ snic -- Obviously both scenarios are inexcusable, but there's a difference between one pilot sharing observations ("hey, you're going too fast") and taking decisive action. With modern CRM, the intent is that either pilot can call a go around, and the first officer could even say "my aircraft" and execute the go around himself.

      Even with how insanely sloppy and reckless this captain was, I'd hope he wouldn't ignore a go around call on final. Either way, the first officer never made that call on the air, so we'll never know.

    2. staradmriral Guest

      First officer has a responsibility to take control of the aircraft if the captain is flying dangerously. The FO should call a go-around, and if ignored, call again for a go around more sternly, and if ignored say "my aircraft" and initiate the go-around. Western aviation advocates for teamwork and crew resource management, not a firm hierarchy

    3. farnorthtrader New Member

      Really? You expect a 37 year old Colombian born first officer to call a go around when his warnings are being ignored and to then seize control of the aircraft from the 55 year old US born captain on US soil? Sorry, but that is never going to happen. I would be surprised if you could find a previous incident where a younger, less experienced first officer seized control of an aircraft from a captain...

      Really? You expect a 37 year old Colombian born first officer to call a go around when his warnings are being ignored and to then seize control of the aircraft from the 55 year old US born captain on US soil? Sorry, but that is never going to happen. I would be surprised if you could find a previous incident where a younger, less experienced first officer seized control of an aircraft from a captain who was not incapacitated. Absolutely the correct procedure but not the way things work in the real world

  8. D3SWi33 Guest

    There’s always an opportunity for finger pointing and blaming. If not racist allegations by Duffy I can assure you Buttigieg would have put Amazon on blast.

    Did the ATC provide weather conditions when giving landing clearance?

    The NTSB chair claims the plane was at a low weight. Others say the cargo was glass lenses.

    1. TravelinWilly Diamond

      "...I can assure you Buttigieg would have put Amazon on blast."

      I can assure you Buttigieg would have waited calmly for the NTSB to release the results of the full investigation before taking action to learn the lessons from the crash and take action to mitigate such failures in the future.

      And President Biden wouldn't have been found guilty of 45 felonies or posted animated gifs of himself violently attacking others, including other world...

      "...I can assure you Buttigieg would have put Amazon on blast."

      I can assure you Buttigieg would have waited calmly for the NTSB to release the results of the full investigation before taking action to learn the lessons from the crash and take action to mitigate such failures in the future.

      And President Biden wouldn't have been found guilty of 45 felonies or posted animated gifs of himself violently attacking others, including other world leaders, while harboring a lifelong joy of malignant narcissism, sadism, cruelty, punching down (as parasites do), racism, sexism, child sex trafficking, rape, sexual harassment, and battling late-stage syphilis and dementia.

      But do go on and tell everyone (again and ad nauseum) how unfit for office Biden was. And be sure to add up how much his cronies and enables profited off his corruption publicly and fearlessly.

  9. Em Guest

    Well - wouldn't need to fill the gap in the workforce with skilled workers through H-1B if the local population would invest in education. Interestingly Asian immigrants have the highest per capita median and mean incomes in the US according to the Pew Research Center. I guess DEI hiring pays.

    1. stogieguy7 Diamond

      No, DEI hiring does not pay. Not that it was the issue here; but hiring people based on their racial or other intersectional status is wrong. Qualified people should be the goal, no matter what the race/gender/etc. It's why DEI is wrong. That said, I also grimace at the dumbasses jumping to conclusions here about it being DEI. Overly simplistic thought process that's not even close. The real issue appears to be rapid growth and...

      No, DEI hiring does not pay. Not that it was the issue here; but hiring people based on their racial or other intersectional status is wrong. Qualified people should be the goal, no matter what the race/gender/etc. It's why DEI is wrong. That said, I also grimace at the dumbasses jumping to conclusions here about it being DEI. Overly simplistic thought process that's not even close. The real issue appears to be rapid growth and the hiring of unqualified and improperly trained individuals. More of which will come out as we go on, I'm sure.

  10. George Nathan Romey Guest

    From Captain Steve apparently they were going to do a go around but then slam the throttle back and decided to try to stop instead. Seems like there was inexperience in both the Captain and FO. Shouldn't Jet Flying 101 be if you doubt you can get the plane on the ground and stop in time just simply declare a Go Round and do it again. The cargo isn't going to be upset about a delayed arrival.

    1. 1990_ Diamond

      Captain "Steeeve" (ironically, his official handle) urged pilots to be more cautious; like, if even one thing isn't right, just do the go-around. If NTSB recommends it following this, FAA should seriously consider that directive. Also, Steeeve said, quoting NTSB, that the cargo was mostly contact lenses. Wonder if there's gonna be a spike prices at optometrists and suppliers following this...

    2. Glidescope Guest

      The answer is, it depends. Yes, in this case, it certainly appears that a go around should have been called well before they were anywhere near the ground. Too fast, not configured properly, unstable approach. And it appears that the PIC was kind of acknowledging the FO with the excessive speed in that he wanted to get it on the ground, hence the rapid rate of decent. It's botched all around.

      However, the answer is...

      The answer is, it depends. Yes, in this case, it certainly appears that a go around should have been called well before they were anywhere near the ground. Too fast, not configured properly, unstable approach. And it appears that the PIC was kind of acknowledging the FO with the excessive speed in that he wanted to get it on the ground, hence the rapid rate of decent. It's botched all around.

      However, the answer is still it depends, and requires skilled *people* to make what is sometimes going to be a hard decision. Are you at minimum fuel? Damage to the aircraft or systems not working? Is there traffic either on the runway or above the runway. The converging nature of the two runways could mean that another plane taking off, and going around you could crash in to them. Very adverse weather or late cross wind that really makes a go around impractical? Lots of things to consider. And sometimes you need to take the better of two bad options.

      To be clear in this instance, the go around call should have been made well before.

  11. James_K Member

    If you're not familiar, Amazon Air also had a fatal crash in 2019 which was pure pilot error, and it turned out both pilots had serious issues being certified/were seriously deficient in airmanship:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Air_Flight_3591

  12. 1990_ Diamond

    Well said, Ben. NTSB 'is doing a stellar job,' indeed. (If only the FAA would actually listen to them, more.) And, thank you for recommending Nathan Fielder’s “The Rehearsal” (Season 2). Which reminds me... "Okay. Alright. Okay, good chat... You're being real right now?" *gulp*

    1. snic Diamond

      I said this before and I'll say it again, this time without the "/s":
      Maybe if the brown guy had been the pilot at the controls and the white guy had been on the radio, none of this would have happened.

    2. 1990_ Diamond

      Or... it's that race, ethnicity, nationality, background, etc., wasn't the issue, at all. Like, what actually mattered here was likely competence and context. (Isn't that better take-away?)

    3. Sel_D Gold

      Don’t forget that DEI hiring practices are racist by definition. While this accident clearly wasn’t a result of those racist hiring practices, it’s reasonably feasible that there could one day be an accident attributed to DEI.

    4. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Sel_D -- What DEI hiring?!

      See, this also gets at the problem. If an older white man makes a mistake, we just chalk it up to "it is what it is, mistakes happen." Meanwhile if a woman or minority makes a mistake, we immediately jump on the DEI bandwagon. Isn't that a double standard? Only white men are allowed to make mistakes, without their skin color or gender immediately being blamed.

    5. Sel_D Gold

      Sorry I didn’t clarify. This operator doesn’t have a known history of it, but I’m talking about UA’s aggressive racist hiring policy. And yes, people sound like idiots when they immediately say it’s because of DEI without proof, but it’s equally naive to say it isn’t.

    6. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Sel_D -- I'm sorry, what are you referring to? United set diversity quotas for its training academy, which does not guarantee a job at the airline. It's a completely independent concept, with the idea being that it gives more groups the opportunity to get the training needed to apply for a job at the airline.

      That's different than a quota for hiring. *Everyone* needs the same certifications to be a Part 121 operator. Have...

      @ Sel_D -- I'm sorry, what are you referring to? United set diversity quotas for its training academy, which does not guarantee a job at the airline. It's a completely independent concept, with the idea being that it gives more groups the opportunity to get the training needed to apply for a job at the airline.

      That's different than a quota for hiring. *Everyone* needs the same certifications to be a Part 121 operator. Have you seen any evidence that United turned a white man with 10K flight hours down in favor of a minority with minimum hours?

      If they did, I'd certainly take issue with it, because I agree the best people should be hired. We're in the same boat. However, there's simply no evidence of this concept that I've seen... but please prove me wrong! As I see it, this is simply an imaginary narrative.

    7. hbilbao Diamond

      @Ben, the perpetual issue (as evidenced in multiple comments, and elsewhere) is that large amounts of people still believe that DEI is about hiring unqualified people who happen to have a minority status based on characteristics such as race and gender (among others). In reality, DEI means that organizations would go to greater lengths to FIND fully qualified people who also have lived experience based on said minority status, or create pathways for people in...

      @Ben, the perpetual issue (as evidenced in multiple comments, and elsewhere) is that large amounts of people still believe that DEI is about hiring unqualified people who happen to have a minority status based on characteristics such as race and gender (among others). In reality, DEI means that organizations would go to greater lengths to FIND fully qualified people who also have lived experience based on said minority status, or create pathways for people in those communities to EARN the required qualifications.

      However, this falls in deaf ears over and over. Most still think that for every single occupation, no minorities can possibly be equally (or more) qualified than local non-minority candidates. That bias (and others) is at the root of racism as you, thankfully, have mentioned in many occasions.

    8. TravelinWilly Diamond

      Comment of the day, hbilbao, comment of the day. And week. And month.

    9. Joe United Guest

      Hiring people that are equally qualified that also represent population demographics is not racist. What is obviously racist is only hiring white males while refusing to hire minorities and women as pilots that are equally qualified which airlines and other industries have done for years.

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Glidescope Guest

One thing that sticks out with the NTSB briefing is not what they said, but what they didn't say. By including the e-mail address for contacting the NTSB and asking for more details, it's pretty clear that they smell something rotten at 21 Air, and want people to come forward.

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Mike Guest

The FAA needs to force Amazon Prime Air to get its own operating certificate and stop contracting out to a dozen shit operators. FAA forced UPS hand decades ago when they were doing the same BS.

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atsbrad Member

Where is eskimo?

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bhn Guest

The real question is how many fixed wing hours, especially in large jets, the former helicopter pilot had. Huge difference in fixed vs rotary wing flying.

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isaacC Platinum

I hope there is a good internal review by Amazon and thier cargo operation. Along with thier entire delivery infrastructure. It is far too fragmented and despite them saying it was another company....they still have the amazon smile on the side of the aircraft. I hope they bring everything in house and become more like a Fedex or UPS in terms of air operation.

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