Wow, Some Turkish Hotels Really Hate Men…

Wow, Some Turkish Hotels Really Hate Men…

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Usually it’s women who face discrimination when traveling, so here’s one case where straight men are being discriminated against (and gay men, but discrimination for gay men isn’t that unusual).

Lujo Hotel Bodrum doesn’t allow men without women

Long story short, there are dozens of hotels in Turkey that won’t allow men to check into a hotel room without women. More specifically, these hotels don’t allow solo male travelers to stay at the hotel, and also don’t allow two men to stay in a room. I’ve collectively spent thousands of nights in hotels in 100+ countries, yet somehow this is the first time I’ve heard of a policy like this.

This was brought to my attention by reader Denis, who had booked the Lujo Hotel in Bodrum for two clients. This is a pricey all-inclusive property in the (usually pretty liberal) Turkish resort town of Bodrum. During the booking process, there’s a message stating the following:

“Reserving a room for an individual male guest is not possible. In case of reservation, the hotel reserves the right to cancel unconditionally.”

The reader was looking to book a stay for two men in one room, and he was informed in communications with the hotel that this wasn’t allowed either. When Denis asked about the reason for the policy, he was told that it’s because men allegedly party too hard and cause problems.

This hotel sure is sending mixed signals to guests. Looking at the hotel’s website:

  • It’s stated that after clubbing you can “continue partying at your own terrace and bathtub”
  • There are pictures of poles, and then it states “what happens in Indigo, stays in Indigo”
  • It’s stated that “you still have a lot to discover” after the party is over, and “the Tantra Sofa at your rooms enables you to try sensual positions to take your love life to a whole new level”

The hotel doesn’t want guests to party too much, but does want people to try new sensual positions on their in-room tantra sofa?

I wanted to verify this policy firsthand, so I emailed the hotel, noting that I saw the website stated single men couldn’t check into the hotel, but what about a couple? Here’s the answer:

Warm greetings from Lujo.

Thank you for your interest in Lujo Hotel Bodrum. We would love the opportunity to welcome you to your personal journey into the world of art & joy.

Lujo offers an exclusive a la carte ultra all inclusive concept to make your holiday an unforgettable experience. Accommodations have been designed to meet your every need and offer you comfort and value during your stay. Lujo stands for unparalleled vacations surrounded by beautiful nature with contemporary design and exceptional luxury, business, and lifestyle services.

Unfortunately, we don’t accept two men staying in the same room.

Stay safe and take care!

Well there goes my “personal journey into the world of art & joy.” I guess I’ll be staying safe and taking care elsewhere.

This isn’t the only hotel with such a policy

You might think that this is just an isolated policy, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Denis found a list being updated by a travel agency targeted at Russians that keeps tabs on all the hotels that don’t allow rooms to be occupied by just men.

There are dozens and dozens of hotels on the list, including some belonging to major global hotel groups. Two Hilton properties stand out:

  • DoubleTree by Hilton Kemer
  • DoubleTree by Hilton Bodrum Işıl Club Resort

Denis called both hotels, and they both stated that they wouldn’t allow one or two men to check into a hotel room alone. I can’t imagine that’s within Hilton’s corporate policy, so I’ll flag that with the hotel group.

Another issue is the lack of disclosure of this on hotel websites. In many cases they don’t even list these policies online, so how often do people show up at check-in, only to be turned away?

Is this policy anti-party, anti-gay, or both?

One certainly has to wonder what the true motivation here is:

  • Are single men banned because they’re more likely to party harder? Are they causing problems with women?
  • Are two men banned from the same room because it’s assumed that there will be twice as much partying, or is there an element of homophobia there?

Regardless of what the motivation is, in my opinion this policy crosses the line. Now, for the independent hotels on the list, I suppose that they have the right to have their policies, and we can take our business elsewhere. However, I do think it’s worth objecting to this policy for properties belonging to Hilton — the brand promotes how it’s “diverse by nature and inclusive by choice,” and this doesn’t really fit into that.

Bottom line

There are a significant number of hotels in Turkey that won’t allow a room to be occupied if there isn’t a woman staying in it. Like I said, I’ve stayed in hotels in a lot of countries, and I’ve never heard of anything like this before. Perhaps most surprising is that some hotels engaging in this practice belong to major global hotel groups.

Is this a common practice in any other countries? What do you make of this policy?

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  1. Helio Guest

    The title of this article should be retracted. It is misleading and is a gross representation of cultural ignorance. As many comments have pointed out, the purpose of the hotel's policy is not "anit-man" or "anit-gay". It is "pro-woman" and seeks to maintain a harassment free environment.

  2. Wilhelm Guest

    I would assume this is because they have had problems and complaints from other guests because of guys going gaga. This is neither anti-men nor anti-gay. I say this as a gay man myself.

    A friend of mine has worked for a number of European tour operators. They received so many complaints from their guests about Russians behaving badly, so eventually they had to make sure the hotels they offered did not allow Russian tour...

    I would assume this is because they have had problems and complaints from other guests because of guys going gaga. This is neither anti-men nor anti-gay. I say this as a gay man myself.

    A friend of mine has worked for a number of European tour operators. They received so many complaints from their guests about Russians behaving badly, so eventually they had to make sure the hotels they offered did not allow Russian tour groups. This was a particular problem in Turkey and Egypt. This does not mean all Russians behave badly, but they have a certain reputation, as do young men going on holiday to get wasted and party hard.

  3. @mkcol Guest

    Please update us with the outcome from your contact with Hilton corporate.

  4. Kar J Guest

    While I get that men can be predatory and gross, I think such rules don’t do anything to change that behaviour. It normalizes the idea that single men are predatory, or worse, suggests that such men are meant to be predatory in situations where they can get away with it. Such rules can also be used to victim-blame when things go wrong - “well, you shouldn't have left the resort then, you know men are gross!”.

  5. glenn t Diamond

    A tantra couch AND a pole, complete with hired 'dancer' if desired?
    I hope both are hosed down/disinfected between clients.
    Sure sounds like a classy joint!

  6. Leon Guest

    Very hard to read. Uncredible. What with a widower? My heart is bleeding.

  7. Scott Stevens Guest

    If private businesses can mandate certain things on people's faces or certain fluids in arms in the US, you better respect the decision of private businesses abroad. It goes both ways. I guess you only go one way though, Geyboy.

  8. AdrienH Guest

    I agree with first comment, it’s to prevent “hunters”. Actually I think that in the Caribbean there are also resorts advertising « couples only »?

  9. Miguel Guest

    Benyamin,

    This gets my goat, Turks have gone too far and I am not having any of it. I demand Mr. Erdogan to contact his minister of tourism and create a men’s bill of rights. This bill needs to be specific, besides the obvious, the following activities itemized below should be protected by a hotel guest (bill of rights).

    1- Leningrad Steamer
    2- Spicy Gringo
    2- Blumpkin Plunger
    3- Ramen Yarmulke

    Benyamin,

    This gets my goat, Turks have gone too far and I am not having any of it. I demand Mr. Erdogan to contact his minister of tourism and create a men’s bill of rights. This bill needs to be specific, besides the obvious, the following activities itemized below should be protected by a hotel guest (bill of rights).

    1- Leningrad Steamer
    2- Spicy Gringo
    2- Blumpkin Plunger
    3- Ramen Yarmulke
    4- Nigerian Hurricane
    5- Kentucky Tractor Puller
    6- The Unicorn
    7- The Dirty Sanchez
    8- Skittles Harvest
    9- Canadian Porch Swing
    10- Milwaukee Blizzard

    Benyamin we got your back, give the word and we will boycott all things Turkish until this injustice is rectumified. For starters, no more Baklava for me!

  10. Steven M Guest

    Exactly as Zeynep said:

    "Single men literally go there with the hopes that they will hook up with “Russian and or other foreign chicks” and don’t stop harassing girls until they get what they want. They’re quite aggressive too. It’s a huge issue in Turkey unfortunately. And most of the luxury hotels in Turkey have similar policies."

    Also why they don't want two buds in the same room so that the dudes don't get their hopes up of bringing the ladies back to the room

  11. James W Guest

    If you think this is outrageous, you should see how the wildly-popular Turkish government treats reporters, dissidents, and Saudi-American journalists who walk into a Saudi consulate in Istanbul but leave in several small bags. The hotel's policy may have nothing explicitly to do with antigay bias, but the fact that we all have to wonder so openly is proof positive that Turkey's human rights record is abominable to the outside world.

    Ben doesn't like to...

    If you think this is outrageous, you should see how the wildly-popular Turkish government treats reporters, dissidents, and Saudi-American journalists who walk into a Saudi consulate in Istanbul but leave in several small bags. The hotel's policy may have nothing explicitly to do with antigay bias, but the fact that we all have to wonder so openly is proof positive that Turkey's human rights record is abominable to the outside world.

    Ben doesn't like to get political - which helps him sleep nicely when he visits repressively anti-gay places on mileage runs - but he really ought to have a higher bar for avoiding certain places on general principle. Would he visit Iran or North Korea if he were allowed to (and if he could get a good rate on Sofitel or Qatar Q-Suites)?

  12. John Guest

    Can confirm exactly what @Zeynep said. On the surface it looks like a blatant policy of mindless discrimination. But there is a good reason for it, and that's protecting female guests from really gross unwanted attention. It would be a shame if someone was 'offended' and 'flagged' it with the parent company and this policy was reversed. Because then a whole lot of innocent people will get sexually harassed. Be careful of what you wish for........

  13. dander Platinum

    It looks like its to prevent the jerks from hitting on women. Its not always meant to be anti this or anti that.

  14. zeer0 Guest

    I'm not sure that it's an anti-gay policy just based on what I saw at the DoubleTree Kemer. I stayed there last year and chatted with a gay male couple staying there, but they also had their kids in the same room.

    So it's definitely a bizarre policy, but not necessarily anti-gay.

  15. Ben Kingsley Guest

    Isn't this considered gender discrimination? I can't believe they have such policies in this day and age targeting a gender and not allowing them to stay in their hotels.

  16. Sam Guest

    It is all-inclusive... perhaps they can provide a female companion for single male travelers. :) :) :)

    (Yes, that is a joke.)

    I hope Hilton punts the other two properties from the system. Not allowing two men to stay together is obviously homophobic.

  17. Jorge Paez Guest

    How can "a la carte" be "all inclusive?"

    1. Denis Guest

      very easy
      you order anything you want by the menu and they don't bring a bill, you just leave tips if you want (not must in Turkey).

  18. Zeynep Guest

    Turkish and LGBTQ activist girl here. Although I agree that it sounds very anti-gay, I almost guarantee the reason behind these rules has nothing to do with preventing gay men from staying at the hotels. It’s quite the opposite. They would love to accommodate men who do not harass women on a daily basis at every chance they get, as most single Turkish man do, especially when they stay at these hotels. Single men literally...

    Turkish and LGBTQ activist girl here. Although I agree that it sounds very anti-gay, I almost guarantee the reason behind these rules has nothing to do with preventing gay men from staying at the hotels. It’s quite the opposite. They would love to accommodate men who do not harass women on a daily basis at every chance they get, as most single Turkish man do, especially when they stay at these hotels. Single men literally go there with the hopes that they will hook up with “Russian and or other foreign chicks” and don’t stop harassing girls until they get what they want. They’re quite aggressive too. It’s a huge issue in Turkey unfortunately. And most of the luxury hotels in Turkey have similar policies. In fact, most bars have the same rules too. They don’t accept single men into the bars unless they’re with a woman. This is simply to protect the other guests from the unsolicited harassment. I wish Turkey was more advanced that these kind of rules weren’t necessary, but I’m afraid to say as a woman who vacations regularly in these types of hotels, I appreciate these rules to have a safe, peaceful time during my stay. I do agree though, that it’s inevitably very anti-gay and hypocritical. I wish there was an easier solution to this problem.

    Love,
    Zeynep

    1. Denis Guest

      Zeynep, thank you very much for bringing the perspective.
      You certainly know a way more and have a first hand experience, especially from a female point of view. Still... Is that such a problem in high end resorts and hotels? I mean I've been to Turkey countless number of times - Istanbul, Izmir, Cesme, Kusadasi, Bodrum, Dalaman or Antalya. I can't say I witnessed widespread harassment of women by Turkish men. Can recall maybe...

      Zeynep, thank you very much for bringing the perspective.
      You certainly know a way more and have a first hand experience, especially from a female point of view. Still... Is that such a problem in high end resorts and hotels? I mean I've been to Turkey countless number of times - Istanbul, Izmir, Cesme, Kusadasi, Bodrum, Dalaman or Antalya. I can't say I witnessed widespread harassment of women by Turkish men. Can recall maybe some cases of "Natasha! Natasha!" in Antalya (on a public street, not in a hotel), but that the worst I've seen. I didn't get a feeling that it's common behaviour among beyaz türkler.

      Dozens of resorts in the same area - Susona Bodrum, Bodrum Edition, Reges Cesme, Caresse Bodrum, DoubleTree Kusadasi, Mandarin Oriental Bodrum, Rixos Göcek, Maxx Royal - don't have such ridiculous policies and seems to be doing well, tranquil and quiet places. I'm not talking about Istanbul where all of upscale or belonging to any chain hotels don't have such policies. That makes me think these policies are unnecessary and in reality homophobic (and it looks like it depends on the views of owners of a particular property).

    2. Eskimo Guest

      "Single men literally go there with the hopes that they will hook up with “Russian and or other foreign chicks” and don’t stop harassing girls until they get what they want."

      I find it hard to believe that statement is the reason behind these rules, if any it's the opposite.
      If what you say is true, Turkey is a prostitute heaven. And doesn't answer why 2 men cannot share a room.

    3. Wanda TGD Guest

      This is complete BS. If that's true, then why they allow single men to be at beach club bar, restaurant, pool and everything else BUT renting out a room?

      I mean, if something smells fishy, tastes fishy, and looks fishy, it's probably fish.

  19. Ali Guest

    Unfortunately this is very common.
    In Dubai, most upscale restaurants will not allow single men, or 2 men. Let alone a group of men.
    Especially if they serve alcohol.
    It’s to keep the “ambience”. They’ll have women inside though ready for business. So if you looked wealthy and single, you’re an exception to the rule.
    I flagged the issue with the Gov department and named the restaurant. They said they’ll take...

    Unfortunately this is very common.
    In Dubai, most upscale restaurants will not allow single men, or 2 men. Let alone a group of men.
    Especially if they serve alcohol.
    It’s to keep the “ambience”. They’ll have women inside though ready for business. So if you looked wealthy and single, you’re an exception to the rule.
    I flagged the issue with the Gov department and named the restaurant. They said they’ll take corrective action, called the restaurant again and oops same policy.
    It’s disgusting. If it was the other way round, you’d see rebelled raging in anger and called it misogynistic. But hey as long as it serves the purpose.
    These global hotel chains definitely know about the policy at some of their hotels. It’s more of, keep quiet and hope no one finds it or not enough attention is given.
    The whole world is pushing for rights and equality but refuse to remove the whole idea of “bouncers”. Except now it’ escalated and it’s in hotels. What’s next? Flights?

    1. Alex Z Gold

      Ali, I'm not really sure if you're speaking facts in regards to restaurants. I was in Dubai solo and I had afternoon at Burj Khalifa at Atmosphere restaurant on 122nd floor and had no issues while having a bottle of champagne. Also, I was in one of the best upscale Japanese restaurants and again no issues drinking alcohol and eating there

    2. Ehch Guest

      Could be some truth to Ali’s point. Arabic (giving some exception to locals) or Indian looking males can face such difficulties in Dubai. More to do with maintaining image than anything else.

    3. Ali Guest

      Hey,
      I was referring to the Pointe, the palm. Restaurant is called “P**H***M House”
      The “new” series of bar/restaurants with music all have the same silly rules.
      Back to civilization, say Burj Khalifa area. That’s not an issue.
      It goes in around the palm area, part of it could genuinely be the extreme partying.
      The other is pure sexism.

  20. Axck Guest

    Is the reason they don’t allow two men to book a room together the same reason they don’t allow a single man to book a room for himself? They clearly don’t want single men there for whatever reason and two single men could easily circumvent that by booking a room together. I would say it was homophobia if it was just a policy against two men booking a room, but it’s not. It’s against men booking rooms by themselves in general.

    1. axck Guest

      The more I think about it’s probably a rule meant to dissuade single Russian dudes in general (Russians are the biggest tourists to Bodrum).

    2. Denis Guest

      Russians are in minority in Bodrum. The single biggest group of clients in Bodrum are Turks.
      Russians make a significant part of clients in Antalya region (and even there it's about 20-30% depending on a year). Then it's not very common for Russians to go on holidays as a group of male friends or alone (it's a way more common when females go on vacation to Turkey without a man). So the wast majority...

      Russians are in minority in Bodrum. The single biggest group of clients in Bodrum are Turks.
      Russians make a significant part of clients in Antalya region (and even there it's about 20-30% depending on a year). Then it's not very common for Russians to go on holidays as a group of male friends or alone (it's a way more common when females go on vacation to Turkey without a man). So the wast majority of Russian tourists coming to Turkey are couples and families to begin with.

    3. Unhoeflich New Member

      Is it still the case that Turkish Airlines does not serve alcohol on flight to Russia?

  21. PW Guest

    Hi Ben
    I stayed at the DoubleTree by Hilton in Kemer this past October, and it was no problem at all booking the room for myself and checking in by myself as a single man. Maybe this is a new policy, or just a selective policy aimed at certain markets? I was warmly welcomed there by the concierge manager for being a platinum bonvoy member etc, and never felt out of place...

    1. henare New Member

      I suspect that, as a Platinum Bonvoy member, you won't be smashing up the place.

    2. MSR Guest

      Interesting as DoubleTree is not a Marriott Hotel so jumping in before someone slates this comment and the hotel.

      I stayed there last September with a female platonic friend, I’m gay. We met the owner and were extremely well looked after by his team. He himself lives in the Netherlands, which should say enough. Indeed his excellent Guest Relations Manager went out of her way to escort us to another hotel when we extended our...

      Interesting as DoubleTree is not a Marriott Hotel so jumping in before someone slates this comment and the hotel.

      I stayed there last September with a female platonic friend, I’m gay. We met the owner and were extremely well looked after by his team. He himself lives in the Netherlands, which should say enough. Indeed his excellent Guest Relations Manager went out of her way to escort us to another hotel when we extended our stay when they were full, to ensure we we had a place for one last night. At no point did I hide my sexuality and can say the management team were excellent. If they have such a policy it will I suspect be because of boorish/frat like behaviour from certain types of men observed elsewhere. If that is the case, I for one am not suprised

  22. Yi Guest

    What are these hotels going to do when two men and a woman checks into a room?

    1. MSR Guest

      Interesting as DoubleTree is not a Marriott Hotel so jumping in before someone slates this comment and the hotel.

      I stayed there last September with a female platonic friend, I’m gay. We met the owner and were extremely well looked after by his team. He himself lives in the Netherlands, which should say enough. Indeed his excellent Guest Relations Manager went out of her way to escort us to another hotel when we extended...

      Interesting as DoubleTree is not a Marriott Hotel so jumping in before someone slates this comment and the hotel.

      I stayed there last September with a female platonic friend, I’m gay. We met the owner and were extremely well looked after by his team. He himself lives in the Netherlands, which should say enough. Indeed his excellent Guest Relations Manager went out of her way to escort us to another hotel when we extended our stay when they were full, to ensure we we had a place for one last night. At no point did I hide my sexuality and can say the management team were excellent. If they have such a policy it will I suspect be because of boorish/frat like behaviour from certain types of men observed elsewhere. If that is the case, I for one am not suprised

  23. Another Lump Guest

    The rest of the world hasn't succumbed to American offending/outrage culture yet. It's easy to destroy the life of a small business owner in Washington state because they dared to offend you, but try that with the entire Islamic world. Women and gay rights are basically non existent, and they don't care if you are offended. You will certainly be able to put pressure on the hotels in the major chains, but more likely they...

    The rest of the world hasn't succumbed to American offending/outrage culture yet. It's easy to destroy the life of a small business owner in Washington state because they dared to offend you, but try that with the entire Islamic world. Women and gay rights are basically non existent, and they don't care if you are offended. You will certainly be able to put pressure on the hotels in the major chains, but more likely they will just pay lip service to the chain, and keep doing what they are doing as an unwritten policy, no matter how offensive you find it. I don't understand why you would give money to countries that contradict your value system so much. If you continue to spend your travel dollars in such countries, you are implicitly supporting this culture.

  24. G S Guest

    The hotel is recording the guests with hidden cameras

    They just don’t want to have single or men staying in their rooms.

    A high probability that this is happening

  25. Denis Guest

    I don't really buy their explanation about men tend to party too hard and so on. They also called themselves a family oriented resort when I talked to them. Yeah... you know just your average family oriented hotel with a pole and a tantrum sofa in a room.

    It's a party hotel to begin with. It's their first message - come here to party nonstop. Somehow hotels in Mykonos, Ibiza, Magaluf and like 99%...

    I don't really buy their explanation about men tend to party too hard and so on. They also called themselves a family oriented resort when I talked to them. Yeah... you know just your average family oriented hotel with a pole and a tantrum sofa in a room.

    It's a party hotel to begin with. It's their first message - come here to party nonstop. Somehow hotels in Mykonos, Ibiza, Magaluf and like 99% of the world can sustain a single male guest staying in a room, but not some Turkish resorts.

    I'm pretty sure it's about homophobia. They want to have this policy in place to turn away people they wouldn't like. I'm also pretty sure it's not consistently enforced (can't believe DoubleTree wouldn't let to check in a father with a son into the same room).

  26. Eskimo Guest

    So this place is a swingers resort. Nothing special.

    I'm only surprised that Hilton's have these orgy hotels under their chain. Maybe it's something they put in the cookie?

  27. Jeff Guest

    In Ghana, at least when I was there in 2014, there was a national law that two men cannot share the same hotel room. Definitely homophobia. I traveled with a Ghanaian friend who acted as my guide and often the rule is ignored, but one night we shared a large room and the next day they charged us for two rooms, pointing to the sign with the government law that two men can't share a...

    In Ghana, at least when I was there in 2014, there was a national law that two men cannot share the same hotel room. Definitely homophobia. I traveled with a Ghanaian friend who acted as my guide and often the rule is ignored, but one night we shared a large room and the next day they charged us for two rooms, pointing to the sign with the government law that two men can't share a room. We argued that they checked us in and even escorted both of us into the room together and didn't raise any objections at all, but they remained obstinate. My friend was angry but it was so little money it wasn't worth it. They clearly didn't care about the law's intent (or they wouldn't have checked us in to share a room together) but just used it as a way to fleece a white tourist (I'm ok with that, by the way, and it is the way many Africans see justice as a response to global inequality, which is hard to argue with). So while the law was created with homophobic motives, in my experience traveling with another man it was implemented or ignored in a way that did not reflect that homophobia (though I should add that I'm not gay and no one assumed I was, so if I were flamboyant I can't assume I would have had the same experience).

    1. Sean M. Diamond

      There is no such law in Ghana.

      There are laws against homosexual activity, but if you were charged double for a hotel room they made something up and cheated you. :)

  28. kk Guest

    What about businesspeople (businessmen?) trying to do business? Seems like a terrible way to turn down business $$ work-related cash. Or is Bodrum just a complete tourist town?

  29. pstm91 Platinum

    At the end of the day, these are businesses. Don't single men by far spend the most money?

  30. Jim Guest

    Interestingly, I stayed twice at Lujo in the last year, and this never came up for me as a gay man sharing a room with my partner. Granted, we stayed in a villa both times, so not sure if that had any bearing. Or perhaps the rule is just aimed at Russian men, as they are the primary clients in most Turkish coastal towns and carry a certain reputation.

  31. Antonio Guest

    hehehe, as a cute spanish man (joke aside) I've been able to take male one night stands to 5 * hotels in IST always with success. Most of the times, any safety control done in the hotel is intended to verify the good intentions of the other guest, Professional looking or blonde Türks will be better welcome than a 6ft Kurdish hunk at 05:00 am on Saturday night ;-p
    I think everyone in IST...

    hehehe, as a cute spanish man (joke aside) I've been able to take male one night stands to 5 * hotels in IST always with success. Most of the times, any safety control done in the hotel is intended to verify the good intentions of the other guest, Professional looking or blonde Türks will be better welcome than a 6ft Kurdish hunk at 05:00 am on Saturday night ;-p
    I think everyone in IST knows the flirt types of scams there are, involving fake policemen, severe violence and park muggings.
    And never noticed full stay policies like this one, maybe home office minister directions or suggestions.....

    1. Matt Guest

      But those Kurdish hunks know what they are doing in bed

  32. Kair New Member

    Wonder if they would be ok with start to see a la carte women providing check-in services at their lobby.

  33. Mike Guest

    This reminds me of certain nightclubs in Dubai when I lived there a decade ago. Unless you knew someone, or paid for a table with bottle service, men weren’t allowed inside without females. If you were with a group, you had to have at least an equal amount of females as men. I would often have to chat up females outside the club to walk inside with them. Though homosexuality was illegal there, females would...

    This reminds me of certain nightclubs in Dubai when I lived there a decade ago. Unless you knew someone, or paid for a table with bottle service, men weren’t allowed inside without females. If you were with a group, you had to have at least an equal amount of females as men. I would often have to chat up females outside the club to walk inside with them. Though homosexuality was illegal there, females would be allowed in without men so I don’t believe that was the reason. My assumption is that management was trying to avoid having a sausage party as that might affect the image they wanted to portray and less to do with men partying harder than women. Seems like this type of policy isn’t uncommon in that part of the world. However, this was all 10 years ago so things may have changed. Conversely, when I went to a bachelor party in Vegas shortly after moving back to the US, I tried to bring a female friend of mine into a nightclub where we had a table for about 20 men for a bachelor party and she wasn’t allowed in because there wasn’t room at the table. Blew my friggin mind!

    1. anon Guest

      thats actually pretty common for in-demand night clubs. hotels ? not so much.

    2. axck Guest

      This is super common in nightclubs everywhere around the world. They want girls in their club, not guys. Exclusive clubs can and will turn away groups of guys if they don’t have girls with them. It’s kind of funny seeing so many people shocked at this like it’s something rare.

    3. NYGuy24 New Member

      This is a constant thing with nightclubs around the world. They want more women in their clubs to draw men who will then buy more drinks for the women. Never heard of it for a hotel.

  34. Michael Guest

    I guess that they are just really poor at communicating that they are a hotel for (non-Gay) couples.

  35. Endre Guest

    “exclusive a la carte ultra all inclusive concept” — barf…

  36. Alonzo Gold

    May be anti party. I've heard of this before but I was certain it was to avoid bringing prostitutes back to the hotel in that situation.

    1. Denis Guest

      In fact the policy promotes quite the opposite. You're fine if you bring a [must be female] prostitute - they will let to check in. No prostitute with you - no check in.

  37. DenB Platinum

    Reminds me of the desk clerk at a property in Santiago, Chile, shouting at me and my (same sex) partner "dos persones, dos camas!!!!" My guy sat in the lobby facing the guy for an hour, never uncrossing his arms. We ended up with a 2-bedroom suite, the only room that allowed them to pretend we might not be sharing a bed LOL. Great view of the park. Mostly, most places, most of the time, the world has changed for the better. The exceptions make good stories

    1. Jake212 Guest

      I’ve been fortunate enough to travel around the world and never have I been more disappointed anywhere than in Santiago, Chile. It was so high on my list and I was so excited to go. I’m sure other areas of Chile are beautiful, but Santiago is a homophobic metropolis and filled with crime and poverty. Skip it at all costs!

  38. GUWonder Guest

    Maybe by trying to ban two men from being checked into a room at the hotel — or other hotels with such policy — they are attempting avoid “the issue” of groups of heterosexual men booking a room for two together as part of trying to get around the “no single men” policy?

    Maybe the alleged issue about “too much partying” is more about “too much fighting”?

    1. axck Guest

      I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what this is for. They don’t want single men in their hotel and don’t want single men getting around their policy by buddying up for a room either.

  39. Sel, D. Guest

    Out of curiosity, how do women usually face discrimination while traveling?

    1. henare New Member

      How is this not a troll sort of question?

    2. Jake212 Guest

      How IS it a troll sort of question? Do women never cause issues? Seems like a fair question to me.

  40. Hal Guest

    Are two women allowed to check in together?
    I know some hotel owners in party destinations in Asia try to deter single Russian men from checking in. The stereotype is that they party too hard and trash the place.

  41. Conway Guest

    I suspect this is more about behavior than sexuality. In South Asia I've seen malls and even Museums clearly state NO admittance to single or groups of men in certain age ranges (non-Elderly) unless they are part of a larger family group. I guess they idea is that a spouse or family will keep their behavior in check. When I asked at a mall I was told that before the policy groups of men would congregate and harass women and young (teenage) girls

  42. Ben Guest

    A guy I follow on Insta had the same problem at a Ramada in Turkey. Two men not allowed to book a room. Don’t know if the “party too hard” reason was the flimsy excuse given…

  43. Ray Guest

    Uhh, haven't you heard? Twice the men means twice the party! Any party you've been to where that isn't true simply means you showed up to the wrong party!

    With regards to this hotel in particular... I haven't much to say, but I definitely feel like I've met people who share the views of the owner before.

    I wonder how they feel about single ladies or two women checking in? No ladies = no party? What about the poles?

    1. Eskimo Guest

      @Ray

      Your last sentence better mean Polish people or you are just a sexist, who funny enough, likes a d....fest.
      Twice the men means twice the party! ???? LOL not expecting that from a sexist?

    2. henare New Member

      > What about the poles?

      Men work the pole too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xumgtjUqdaY

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Zeynep Guest

Turkish and LGBTQ activist girl here. Although I agree that it sounds very anti-gay, I almost guarantee the reason behind these rules has nothing to do with preventing gay men from staying at the hotels. It’s quite the opposite. They would love to accommodate men who do not harass women on a daily basis at every chance they get, as most single Turkish man do, especially when they stay at these hotels. Single men literally go there with the hopes that they will hook up with “Russian and or other foreign chicks” and don’t stop harassing girls until they get what they want. They’re quite aggressive too. It’s a huge issue in Turkey unfortunately. And most of the luxury hotels in Turkey have similar policies. In fact, most bars have the same rules too. They don’t accept single men into the bars unless they’re with a woman. This is simply to protect the other guests from the unsolicited harassment. I wish Turkey was more advanced that these kind of rules weren’t necessary, but I’m afraid to say as a woman who vacations regularly in these types of hotels, I appreciate these rules to have a safe, peaceful time during my stay. I do agree though, that it’s inevitably very anti-gay and hypocritical. I wish there was an easier solution to this problem. Love, Zeynep

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axck Guest

The more I think about it’s probably a rule meant to dissuade single Russian dudes in general (Russians are the biggest tourists to Bodrum).

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axck Guest

The latter

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