Nowadays it feels like there are few secrets left when it comes to airline travel. Sometimes it feels like everyone and their second cousin is sharing their ”travel hacks” online, and will tell you how they flew on an $8,000 flight for FREE, and how they save so much money by having premium credit cards…
Continue reading: Reciprocal Lounge Access Policies Really Are Still Sort Of A Secret, Eh?
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A lot of people just default to choosing the lounge of the airline operating their departing flight because the lounge may be considered more conveniently located to the gate — but that doesn’t really apply very much at BKK — or because they think the lounge staff can be more helpful with gate directions, departure updates and maybe even itinerary changes. Also, sometimes the partner airline lounges have different hours or may place capacity restrictions on partner airline’s customers getting access to the lounge.
Speaking of travel hacks, I still have a bunch of ones in my repertoire that I use to reduce my travel costs. But the best ones are limited in circulation because being clued-in comes with conditions or because posting about them can risk their being shutdown far faster than used to be the case say 20 years ago.
This isn't necessarily a good thing as the lounges need to at least break even or they'll close down and you may get sent to a semi-dodgy Aspire/Menzies facility instead. BKK likely is a pretty big station for THY, but they might have had a problem if they couldn't accept Dragonpass etc at NBO (particularly since their frienemies at LH use a contract lounge there).
I've also had a few instances of airlines sort of hiding the access information from pax (the AV check in supervisor at MEX had to do a double take when I asked him whether the gate was near the UA lounge- it was obvious they weren't telling pax that a lounge was available to them) and poor service by loungedragons who weren't really pleased to see me using their lounge while flying with a 'lesser' carrier, including one occasion of openly hostile behaviour by an SQ dragon at LHR.
I think it all boils down to a failure of the alliances to get their members to work together more closely with each other.
"...how there are actually people using the American Admirals Club, when they could instead be in the far (far, far, far) superior Cathay Pacific Lounge or Qantas Lounge."
Admirals Club members that are non-elite or Gold can only use the Admirals Club.
Any particular reason why you skipped the arguably best Star Alliance lounge at BKK - SQ's SKL lounge?
It was quite funny to be directed to the Air France lounge in Montreal by the Turkish Airlines check-in agent. Most passengers just go where they're told and many don't know airline alliances/partnerships exist (I don't blame them). Ended up going to the Maple Leaf lounge instead for the better shower situation, but I assume Air Canada tries to get partners to send passengers elsewhere to limit crowding at the Maple leaf.
@ JakobZH -- Good question! Sadly it was closed for a few days for a refresh, coinciding when I was at the airport.
Well, I just learned something new after being obsessed with the miles game for 10+ years. Thanks Ben!
I guess this may just be a secret stateside, as in my experience BA elite members and regular premium travelers in the UK are very aware of the numerous lounge options, especially flying on a Oneworld airline from T3 or Star Alliance from T2.
In my opinion, a greater secret at LHR is the wonderful BA business lounge at the B gates with the Whispering Angel bar. Most BA business passengers just flock to the busy and inferior North and South lounges in the main terminal. Saying that, it does seem to be getting busier!
Thanks for all your great posts Ben.
I think most people just go to the lounge of the airline they’re flying with, because that seems like the logical thing to do.
Not only this, but sometimes airline staff direct passengers to one specific lounge and, if said passengers are not familiar with alliances, etc., they'd simply do what they're told to. For example, at BOG, AC staff tell passengers with lounge access entitlement to go to the (abysmal) CM lounge (a 5 USD coupon for Juan Valdez would be better than the CM lounge).
Also, when flying from outstations, some airline staff don't even tell passengers entitled to lounge access that there's a partner lounge available. Of course, airlines will always be happier by extracting as much money as possible from passengers, and strategically hiding or denying as many services as possible.
Can all business class passengers flying AA business class from LHR access the Cathay and Quanta’s lounge? Or just me as the one with Admirals club membership? Transversing through LHR in a couple months with family.
Last time I was in BKK, I went to the Turkish lounge for complimentary massage, then to EVA lounge for the food & quiet. The EVA lounge even had fresh young coconuts to drink from, which I've never seen in an airport lounge before.
I fly through T3 at LHR once every two to three months and am oneworld emerald. All but once this year I was denied entry into the Cathay Pacific lounge “due to capacity” (they would only allow passengers in CX flights). So, I would go over to either the Qantas or BA lounge since I share Ben’s assessment of the AA lounge.
@ Jon -- All American business class passengers can, that's what matters, not if you have an Admirals Club membership. Sometimes there may be space constraints, but that's the general policy.
@ phazedowt -- Interesting. I'm curious, is that just for the first class section, or for the lounge overall?
I've wanted to use the Polaris lounge at LAX but TBIT is so far away and the last few times I've flown I only made it to *A lounge with a couple hours before departure. I planned to get there earlier to check out the lounge but the traffic situation is terrible!
Sometimes it can be due to your FF status. If you have silver status with airline X, you can only visit the lounge of airline X, and not that of airline Y in the same alliance. Reciprocal lounge access becomes a thing for higher tier elite status.
there is also a food or cultural aspect sometime. Take Aegean in Athenes. There is a Lufthansa lounge nearby but almost empty. Aegean always packed. Greeks going mostly to Aegean to meet friends or potential friends and eat greek food.
I was denied access to Qantas’ Singapore first class lounge in October traveling on a Qatar flight. Tried to enter when the lounge opened, circa 3pm, and told I would only be allowed after 8pm. Staff claimed it was policy, showed some vague language. There was only one other pax entering with me so clearly a policy by qf. Essentially that timing blocks most oneworld flights from using the lounge.
As a Star Alliance Gold I always visit at BKK Thai Airways lounge, Eva Air Lounge, Turkish Airlines Lounge and Singapore Airlines Lounge. I maximize my Star Alliance Gold lounge experience
Lucky Honey,
“ here’s something that I’m surprised more people aren’t aware of..”
The only one who’s not aware is you.
Any Asian frequent flier will know that BKK is a * A stronghold (as is SIN), and we’ve been lounge hopping since pre-COVID.
Funny how the world is so yuuuge that it shocks the Americans, eh eh?
In was flying from SFO to LHR in Business on American and BA turned me away from their lounge. Claimed it was strictly for BA passengers only.
Unfortunately I don’t think it is easy for sky team members to lounge hop any more! I am Air France Flying Blue Gold. Every time I fly Virgin Atlantic or China Airlines business class out of SFO I was denied access to the SFO Air France lounge.
I remember lounge hopping in BKK before so I am not sure if it is just an SFO thing.
I use the AA lounge at LHR, but only because it’s usually not that crowded. Eat and shower at the Cathay/Qantas lounges, then go chill in the relative quiet of the AA lounge.
By that standard, then it explains why the AA lounge is so crowded at T3: Americans want to meet Americans while eating American food.
I use Qantas First at Tom Bradley/LAX regularly with Obe World Emerald regardless of who I'm ticketed with - never had an issue getting access
An oddity is Qatar Airways ex-SYD. International First & Business class passengers are directed to the Air New Zealand lounge (they even write it on your boarding pass) - when in fact, since QR is part of OneWorld, they can use the QF F & Business lounges respectively.
I was allowed into the CX F lounge recently flying BA F, but the receptionist said "just for one hour since the CX flights are approaching soon". Worked out fine for me. Reports on the BA forum mention that frequently you can get turned away if the lounge is full.
I don't think it's anything to do with being American, or astute British folks - regular Australians just assume the departure lounge of the airline they are flying with too. Outside of airline forums and such, most people don't know any better.
@Ben
Capacity restrictions are quite common for Cathay in London. Depending on the time of day. They will then default to Cathay and the airlines they have an agreement with.
At outstation lounges, BA is notorious for this. Even when you can see an absolutely empty lounge. But hey, it is BA so you are not really missing much.
Recently flew BA First out of SYD. According to the website BA uses The House lounge. But the checkin agent encouraged me to go to the QF First lounge, which I was planning to do anyway.
Next leg was out of SIN on JAL in First. JL uses a contract lounge, the Marhaba, but I went to the QF First lounge and later to the QR lounge and had no problem getting in to either.
Would be curious if the transporting carrier gets charged when their pax enters another carrier’s lounge, or if they just offer this based on reciprocity?
I generally use an "assigned" and potentially inferior lounge in case other lounges are too far or inconvenient. I do so also if I'm carrying a lot/heavy luggage. Another factor these days is that lounge agents often are not familiar with the rules and it takes "convincing" if you don't have a straightforward path to entry. You may be told incorrectly that you don't have a membership and turned away. So to avoid all this I sometimes just go to the lounge of the airline I'm flying on.
When I was a little younger I used to make a point of lounge-hopping and visiting as many lounges and restaurants as my time allowed!
May pax are flying in airline’s premium cabin - without status - which means they can only go to the contracted lounge. Even with status, check in will always direct pax to their contracted lounge (since it’s typically lower cost for them) so many don’t know better
The ATH LH Lounge is much smaller than the A3 Lounge and in season is often full, so that you may have to queue until they can find you a seat. Apart from that, they have Greek food inside. What did you think? That they fly in the Pretzel and Bratwurst from Frankfurt?
Seems you haven’t been in there for a while yourself…
With your pompous attitude I’d prefer to sit at the gate and avoid people exactly like you you make everyone else uncomfortable
judging by how many people are turned away from the CX lounge at LHR T3 because they are not flying CX, I think many people know that you can pick other lounges from the same alliance. I think i've been turned away three times this year (flying AY with a BA emerald card)
Unless you want to belly up to the trough for "free" food that often has had dozens of grubby hands picking out the good bits, it might be better to wait and eat on the plane. I have found the quietest parts of an airport are often gates that are not being used around the time of your flight and are adjacent to your departure gate. Even at LHR. Us mere mortals without Ben's knowledge of the ins and outs of gate protocol can get stuck in an over crowded "Lounge". Perks like showers, of course, can change the equation, but if the layover is not too long sometimes it is just best to chill in a quiet part of the terminal. All credit cards offer that as a benefit.
I wonder if you realize the Admirals Club in LHR also works with AA Admiral's Clubs memberships, so there would obviously be more people in there than the other OW lounges that they wouldn't have access too
The Turkish Airlines lounge in BKK absolutely sucks, it's terrible. Not sure why, since their lounges seem to be better elsewhere. You must have been at BKK during a very busy time, I am there 4 times a year and the lounge isn't always so crowned. You should have tried Singapore lounge
Regarding Heathrow T3: I have been to the Cathay Pacific lounge (first and business) as well as the Qantas lounge several times and have enjoyed them very much . Never stopped by the AA, BA or Centurion lounges even though I have had access. Have several trips to T3 coming up in the next few months on AA and BA. Worth it to see those lounges once or truly don’t bother? Lifetime AA Plat and occasionally OWE.
Not sure what is odd about this. Qatar contracts with the air NZ lounge, while their customers will also have access to qantas lounges depending on status or class or travel due to OneWorld membership.
The real T3 trick is the BA F lounge. Yes CX has better views, vibe and food but unlike BKK most BA gold members know this. I can normally count on one hand the number of people in the BA F lounge in T3 since… who would want to go there. Result is quiet lounge by far most of the time and Concorde dining has been completely empty every time I’m in there.
Opting for the often empty Cathay lounge at HND when flying on a JAL biz tkt is better in every possible way (especially runway view) than the crowded JAL lounge downstairs.
Or they are just outright lazy. Having to walk 500 meters? In the opposite direction of my gate? No, thanks!
The VS Clubhouses aren't traditional SkyTeam lounges, so I can see that being the case.
But I'm surprised the AF lounge would deny you both on business class and having Gold status.
SYD is another weird one, home hub of Qantas - and highlights the 'frenemy' situation of some OneWorld members.
Yet Qatar directs their pax to the (ironically Star Alliance) Air NZ lounge.
BA sends theirs to The House contract lounge.
Admittedly, both of these options are probably better than the dire QF Business Class lounge but if you have access to the QF First lounge and toddle off to The House or ANZ lounge a bit of a loss.
Stop blogging about these “secrets” and let us hang onto some nice things before they get ruined.
What options do a Skyteam elite plus (Delta Gold) have in LHR when not flying on business class? Can I get in anywhere on status alone?
I consider myself pretty savvy on frequent flyer tricks but this was a new one to me. Please clarify this doesn't require status with the airline just a business class or first class ticket correct?
@Ben, really? Wouldn’t an American passenger in business class with no Oneworld status be limited to the AA lounge? I thought you had to have OW Sapphire or Emerald to access the Cathay or Qantas lounges when flying AA?
Fake name again?
Alter ego run out of persona?
I don't get it. You're trying to pretend to be some name that's obviously not real.
How lack of intelligence this fake needs to be.
At Heathrow T2 there are three lounges in the long haul section, United, Singapore, and Air Canada. All three are available to any biz class or star gold passenger. The SQ and AC lounges are both quite good, the UA one is just sad, but given how full it is I guess the UA passengers don't realize their options down the hall.
No I'm not at all surprised, also please delete this post and lets all agree not to speak of this again - Thanks 🙂
This is not correct, alliance lounge access also applies based on class of travel, not just FFP status.
Great hidden secret! I'm owe and was able to use the first class lounges in HND and NRT last week! Oddly enough, I did not research the lounges at all for HND and just followed my friend into the nearest PP. There was no booze so I quickly googled if I could guest him in to the JAL and voila! 10 min later we were drinking self pour whiskey!
People are lazy sheep. Same reason why popular destinations are packed wall to wall while a few blocks away with the same scenery or better can be empty.
I had an interesting experience at BKK 2yrs ago. I was on a full fare business class ticket on Vietnam Airlines and was directed to one of the Miracle Lounges however wanted to try the Air France lounge.
I was initially denied access and had a debate with the lounge dude to the point he threatened to call the airport police. Even after showing him the policy on the SkyTeam website.
So I insisted he call them, knowing he'd also need to advise the lounge and station manager. All of a sudden, entrance granted.
Point of the story is know and understand your privileges with each alliance partner.
Th UA lounge is decent, actually, I would rank it ahead of Air Canada’s (which is also a pretty good lounge too).
The worst Star Alliance lounge at LHR is probably Lufthansa’s.
At Melbourne you're directed to use the Marhaba lounge instead of a QF one. I wonder how much of it is due to commercial reasons Vs experience or even just politics within one world.
If you're a OWE without too much actual knowledge of OW policies it's even more falling as the entrance is next to the QF first lounge!
Mixed experiences here on Star lounges, not sure whether reciprocity is applied the same all across the industry.
Have been granted access to SQ lounge at LHR when flying UA J being Star gold but has been denied also flying UA J after losing Star gold
Has been always allowed into AC lounge at FRA when flying LH J not being Star Gold
I don't know if it's ignorance, but it seems you and Ben both don't realize that the reason the UA and Admiral's Clubs are both fuller is due to the fact that they also allow access from the club memberships.
So if you have a United or Admiral's Club membership, you can access those, but not necessarily the other partner lounges, therefore those lounges will always be more full, due to having a larger pool of eligible pax.
Similarly at MEL and BNE, ANZ lounge generally is less crowded than the SQ lounge
Wasn't going to comment but here I am at Chek Lap Kok at 0130 Sydney time and 2230 HKT, in transit on my trip from SYD to LAX. Plenty of lounges, even just CX ones. I've read the comparisons without remembering what the differences are, but at check-in at Sydney, the CX agent handed me invitations (printed on boarding pass card stock) to QF First in Sydney, and to three CX lounges in Hong Kong, with the nearest gate listed next to each. My flight leaves from Gate 7, I'm in the Deck, next to Gate 6. Do I care that I'm not checking them all out, or researching which was a bit better? Nope, and I won't regret it. Sometimes the easy option is the right one, but then I'm not blogging about them. And right now, more food is the last thing I need!
i love this 'secret'. When I fly out of London Heathrow on United, I nearly always go to the Singapore Airlines lounge there. Much better food, usually empty at the time of the day I fly, and much calmer. I'll sometimes peek into the UA Club and always am glad I went to the Singapore lounge first.
So, you idiot, now you've told everyone! About the secret! It's bloggers that have messed up everything for real travelers.
So many losers here. If Americans got shut out of this, we'd get air travel back.
All of you don't belong in premium cabins. God, I hate Americans. Especially East Coast and West Coast "holier than thou" Americans.
You're even worse than the rednecks who at least know who they are. The rest of you ... I hope you get assaulted here.
> here I am at Chek Lap Kok at 0130 Sydney time and 2230 HKT
Literally not one single soul cares where you are.
are you literally kidding me. Let me guess: American, earned money on something that's now obsolete, thinks it's fancy, fat wife and travels once a year to some tourist hellhole.
You know you could just stay home, missy?
Well, bless your heart. Quite the opening salvo.
What you say about me may well be true, but I am confident that even fewer people give the slightest thought to what you have to say.
@Hutch - I'm sorry you aren't sure what's odd about it. Normal people would assume that alliance partners would be the logical choice for an airline. QR using NZ is a cross-alliance exception (when they could just pay QF instead). Enjoy it!
Just had a Thai biz flight out and hit the EVA lounge. What a great spot! Awesome shower and no crowds! Turkish was pretty underwhelming although I was there too late for the free massage.
The Miracle lounges aren't that bad either, for what it's worth. I'd rather be in one of the Priority Pass lounges than any of the Thai ones.