OMAAT reader Franois reached out with an absolutely wild story of what happened to him on a recent Vueling flight, where he was forced to abandon his carry-on bag (though perhaps it’s less wild than that other Vueling story). Even when the pilot intervened, the ground staff wouldn’t budge, so the pilot ended up paying…
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I believe Vueling also kicked 50 Jewish passengers off last week for singing in Hebrew. Or so it was reported
That was reported as part of the pax’s version of story but airline version of the story is that most of the 50 pax, which were children were tampering with safety equipments and obstructing safety demonstration, leading for the crew to call the captain, who removed them from the flight.
Yes, and several witnesses have come forward saying that the Jewish kids were completely respectful and compliant. The flight crew had made derogatory comments to the kids and then they were all forced to delete their photos and recordings of the incident.
If I'm ever in Spain, there is absolutely no way I'd ever fly this horrific excuse for an airline.
Ben, this is not the biggest story involving a Vueling flight from Spain to France right now. They also kicked off a group of French Jewish kids for being Jewish and both the French and Israeli governments are demanding answers from the Spanish.
Since the bag would’ve been abandoned in the secure area of the airport, it wouldn’t be classified in the same severity of an unattended bag before security.
I did reqd this story, but have a hard time beliving this was the case. I do not say that there is no anti-semitism, but it's also interesting that whenever something like this happens, and people are jews, than it's because of them being jews.... I mean, come on, whoever kicked them out from that flight would be well aware that this would make the news and he/she would be prosecuted if they did it just because they are jews....
Seems to be something recurrent in Ibiza airport - happened to me twice, was once forced to pay 60 euros for a bag (my mistake, tried my luck with cheapest ticket) and second time I fought back, as I paid for luggage and it was within dimensions. Took many minutes though. All agressive impolite Vueling ground staff. Their cabin personel is usually very nice.
"wallet had been stolen the day before the flight, so he showed up at the airport with one blocked card, another card with a small remaining limit,"
This is the part I don't believe.
The blocked card is either in your lost wallet or not.
"He was about to fly home with almost nothing but his phone."
The same phone he could sent money to the FO but not the ground staff?
Not that it's impossible, just hard to believe.
And hard to believe story belongs in Reddit.
That being said, if his side of the story were true, we need to have more accountability for airline employees on power trips.
I wonder if ground staff worked for Vueling or were contracted, like Menzies. When I worked ground staff for an airline, if a Captain told you to do something involving his flight, you did it. If they’re contracted ground staff, I wonder why they’d be so aggressive in collecting carry on fees, unless Vueling was paying them a commission for extra fees or something.
And if François was Jewish, you'd be quick to conclude that he was charged €60 be cause he was a jew.
Not that both cases are conclusive.
If the 50 students were Mexican and singing in Spanish, or Americans singing in English the result would be the same.
Race card is very effective tool in this snowflake generation.
Who needs critical thinking when you're woke.
I kept advising insurance companies to target woke people. They tend to pay more for CFAR. It's how their brains work.
@Kor - Oh sorry, they were not kicked out for being Jews but for speaking (singing) in Hebrew. That's much better, isn't it? /s
Yes its a known fact that ground staff gets paid for every extra they succeed to charge a customer in the gate
show us where Vueling accepts wire transfers for immediate payment of services.
Kudos to the pilots for putting their own finances on the line to do what rational ground staff should have done.
Nowadays people might use their cards via their phones. So the physical card was in his stolen wallet. He could have used it to pay with his phone, but was forced to close the card because the physical card could have been used by the thief.
If crew were right, why did they demand the passengers to delete the videos? Anytime someone does that, they're guilty until proven innocent in my eyes. If you're not doing anything wrong, you have no motive to hide what you're doing as long as you're in the official capacity (private life is different of course).
This is one of the reasons why the EU is proposing free carry on bags! The news media in France is gonna hype his story up like crazy as one of the reasons why. IAG is fighting hard against free carry on bags, this story won’t help their argument either.
I would not fly with a facist airline like Vueling that kicks out jewish children, employs people who were part of the 911 events and countless other problems. What a horrible airline
The captain who kicked them out trained Mohammed Atta one of the 911 terrorists to fly. Other passengers say the children behaved completly calm and normal.
Sounds pretty disruptive especially while on the ground an crew may be giving instructions on inflight safety. Actions taken against jews =/= anti-Semitism. And allegedly some of the passengers were tampering with safety equipment. I don't care what religion, background, socio-economic class, etc you are I probably wouldn't want you on my flight if someone was doing that.
A lot of claims being made, please provide proof of your claims because I cannot see a single thing relating to your claims in any reputable media outlet.
The pilot was not part of 9/11 nor is there any evidence to support they were removed for being Jewish, other than Israeli media and the pax claiming it. Don’t be ridiculous and make conclusions without evidence
Well if any bad guy eber wanted to know how to plant a bomb in acterminal that is it. Refuse to pay and the bag just stays there. Absolutely ridiculous and against every safety rule.
Tim, you gotta stop with your wacky thinking and twisting the wrong conclusions.
And I quote "sent money to the FO but not the ground staff"
At no point did I say transfer to the airline.
The context is pretty clear sending money to someone who can pay the airline for you.
But comprehensive reading isn't your strong point right?
Even you gave kudos to one airline employee for putting their own finances, you can't apply the same reasoning that ground staff can do it too.
@Daniel from Finland
You make a valid point.
Much better reasoning than Timmy.
While possible, but one should have added few more cards, that is left at home, in their digital wallet as backup right?
It's the best practices that other people do it too right?
Gate agents are far too empowered. The majority I've encountered and I limit that to the time after 9/11 all act as if they are the rulers of the sky. Will the airlines do anything about this? Doubtful.
Well if the bad guy was eber (sic) that dumb. Their bomb would be detected by acscanner in acterminal (sic).
If acscanner didn't detect it, we all have bigger problems than abandon bags.
The French media hype that is covering restaurants treating Americans the way Americans expect and paying more for meeting such expectations?
I was wondering why the pax didn't use his cell phone to find a way to unlock the credit card? Most CC companies allow you to lock/unlock the card via their app. Alternatively, call and speak with a CSR and ask for it to be unlocked? And before abandoning the suitcase, why didn't he remove his keys, etc.? Something about this whole story doesn't ring true, and we know how everyone who posts on Reddit always tell the truth. /s
@eve - The airlines claim includes a claim that the kids were playing with oxygen masks. I don't even think it's possible to manually deploy the oxygen masks, even if you wanted to
But even if you can, the assertion that a group of 10 to 15-year-olds took off the ceiling boards and manually deployed oxygen masks is absurd
I don’t care what they were singing. It would be annoying and I’d want them off the plane.
Except the other passengers not involved in this situatgion claimed the children acted fine and there was no tampering with equipment or obstructing the safety demonstration.
This is the same airlines that 2 weeks ago offloaded 50 French Jewish children attempting to return to Paris from summer camp in Israel and wrestled their 21 year old female camp counselor to the ground for protesting the offloading.
It's truly a disgrace
What king of airline charges its own pilots... The very people who should, without question, have the final word on board their aircraft
The pilot was indeed the one that trained 9/11 terrorists. It was not random, he was asked for by name specifically. This is not imagined data, it has been confirmed even by Vueling.
Why would anyone be so stupid as to put keys in checked baggage. Having Ulti status with AFKL is nothing to do with vueling.
Nevertheless the ground staff should not override the captain’s decision. They probably don’t even work for the airline. I’ve heard with before where Swissport staff informed an airline employee the same.
They removed disruptive passengers who were interfering with safety equipment and refusing to comply with crew instructions. The fact they were Hasidic is irrelevant. They are just using it as a distraction.
She was wrestled by Guardi civil officer for insulting them and pushing them. Also, they were offloaded for interrupting the safety demo and messing with safety devices.
Again that does not make him “part” of 9/11. That makes me as much part of Russian invasion of Ukraine because my partner’s father is a former russian army colonel who retired 15 years ago. Stop making silly slanders
Where is this airline claim about oxygen mask??? Stop making false statements. The public statement does not go into deep details other then to describe a general scenario of what happened. You guys are just making up things, which is just pathetic
It wasn't checked baggage. Americans are incredibly stupid, case in point. You're truly a retarded nation.
@eve - how's about instead of accusing people you disagree with of being liars you instead spend the time working on your research skills
Vueling literally claimed They were tampering with oxygen masks in their own press release. Is that credible enough for you?
https://x.com/vueling/status/1948623690989547879
Ulti status with AFKL was only in this article to point out this was not a traveler that doesn't the rules. This is pointing out he is at least ones a week in the airport and knows the procedures.
They were singing death to Arab songs and creating a ruckus on the plane after being told to stop
@Evan and you know this how? What were they singing? Do you have a link? Or are you just assuming that since Hamas routinely calls for death to all Jews that a bunch of French Jewish teenagers are doing the same?
@eve - the only thing here that is wild is that your average 5th grader has better research skills than you
You literally called something Vueling said In a press release made up
To be clear, I said the airline claimed the kids were playing with the oxygen masks. You called that made up
In fairness, it is possible that you do have better research skills than a 5th grader. In that case then you are just picking and choosing facts to suit your own narrative and I think we all know what narrative that would be
Regarding being made to "abandon" the bag, I think this is just a logical consequence of the policy. If you can't board with the bag, the options are to not board or abandon it.
I'm interested in why the first officer chose the route of paying the €60. It seems odd that the ground staff wouldn't accede to a request from them to verify the size of the bag - especially since they could have declined to operate the flight citing such an irregularity. Reading between the lines, I am wondering if the bag actually *was* too big and the first officer was doing the passenger a favour.
@Skp2MyLou
"Most CC companies allow you to lock/unlock the card via their app"
Well, "many" rather than "most", but not if you have reported the card and stolen and ordered a new one to arrive in the mail.
@Eskimo
In many European countries there are only a very few cards which offer rewards.
So we tend not to have many different cards, as is common in the USA.
@Skp2MyLou
"why didn't he remove his keys?"
Well, stress makes many of sometimes not think straight.
If I'd been the captain I would have picked-up the bag and taken it onboard the aircraft. The lunatic at the gate can report me to HQ. I'm a captain, you're a clerk. Do the math.
quit trying to squirm out of your dumb statement, iceman
If you have blocked your credit card, your cell phone credit card won't work either.
his bank transfer mechanisms are not tied to his credit card. Rather simple
as for the comments below, he clearly wasn't expecting to be accosted by an employee and have his bag taken from him under such pretenses.
It is amazing how unable some people are to put themselves in other people's shoes as they righteously proclaim they would never do such a thing.
Gimme a break...
it's not even about rank.
It's about being rational and logical.
The flight crew demonstrated it. The gate crew - which could well have been contract - didn't and might even have been contract workers.
Tim, you seriously have a reading problem in addition to your broken logic and fluffyness.
If you have a card that isn't blocked (I'll expand here because you might be too dumb to understand, but you add another that was always home so you can't lose it with your wallet) and a card that is blocked (because you lose your wallet), the card that isn't blocked still works on your phone.
Bank transfer mechanism with credit card was never discussed. (ICY2DUMB, emphasis on mechanism; stop making fluff up Tim)
So many questions, but the main one would have to be, "how the heck does a single suitcase get to be sitting all by itself, some place near a gate, without having 10 security members and dogs checking it out? The fact that the pilots saw the suitcase sitting there but waited until the staff came back.. Why not just take it as they obviously didn't care because they had literally just left it at the gate and went on a smoke break.
I have to use VUELING often in some routes, and their ground staff are the worst. Worse than RYANAIR. With RYANAIR, if you more or less comply with the rules, you are safe, and there is some leniency on the last cm of your hand luggage if you pay their priority fares. With VUELING things are touch&go, with gate agents leaving their desk to move around and randomly select suitcases for "review". Some airports are particularly bad (thinking of PRG for instance). After a few nasty encounters, I ended up having the personal policy of not sitting at the gate until the last minute, avoiding eye contact and pretending to be waiting for another flight until the agent got his catch of the day. The fact that VUELING only allows 55x40x20 when most airlines allow 55x40x23 or 55x40x25 doesn't help - the difference is 11 liters, which go a long way (and are truly a waste, with racks not allowing side loading, the 5cm get 'lost' as empty space). I cannot even pay larger hand luggage as an extra, and I cannot afford losing my stuff... just a luggage delay in BCN on a connecting flight means a nightmare of phone calls with the subcontractor of the subcontractor. Unfortunately, VUELING are unavoidable in some BCN routes.
YOU are the one that is constantly telling us that airplanes should be piloted by computers with the people relegated to being passengers - and then you think that you know better than people who actually have obtained situations that you will never be subjected.
YOUR judgment speaks for itself.
and nobody takes you seriously whether talking about automation that doesn't exist or why humans react in crisis differently than you think they should.
At the Anti-Semitism on this blog is outrageous and makes me wonder how the world became so sick!
Why didn’t the Captain pick up the bag and tell the Gate Agent: “Try and stop me!”
Right, what's the agent going to do? Call the police and have a pilot arrested for taking a bag onto THEIR aircraft? I think not (unless the local cop is the gate agent's brother in law...).
That's absurd, definitely reason to avoid Vueling.
As others said, the cockpit crew should have simply taken the bag onboard- they have final say aboard the aircraft. Certainly outranking some misfit gate agent