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Two Planes Have Dangerously Close Call At GSO: What Was ATC Thinking?!

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Air traffic controllers have tough jobs, and given the volume of planes they handle, it’s not surprising that we sometimes see close calls. However, this has to be one of the stranger incidents we’ve seen in quite some time…

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(@PENILE)
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Air traffic controllers have tough jobs

No they do not. ATC is a working class job that is attainable by slackers in high school who finally come to grips with the idea that working the deep fryer at a fast food joint isn’t going to cut it. ATC is not a tough job because the mental capacity required for it is not high. The hours are not very long either.


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(@Eskimo)
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Humans.

With known and proven limited capabilities, you still expect a different result?


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 JHS
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You definitely need an implant.


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(@LeShawn)
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At the mythical triad?!?!? Wonder if OB will discuss this one


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(@George S.)
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Another week, another close call. The game of airplane chicken is getting old.


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(@JoePro)
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Well at the least, nobody can deny your repetetive uninspired insights on the subject of ATC doesn't prove your own point about limited capabilities.


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(@JoePro)
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Didn't realize we had a midwestern level 4 tower controller in our midst!

You guys spin your own radar?


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(@JoePro)
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Mistakenly added "doesn't". Typo.


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(@internationaltraveler)
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Also in the news, an attempted landing on the wrong runway:
Jets were just metres from disaster in Nice airport confusion.


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(@FlyerDon)
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We used to call that frequency separation. It didn’t work then and it doesn’t work now. The FAA has got to ban visual separation at night. It didn’t work at DCA, it didn’t work here and it’s just not worth the risk.


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(@Eskimo)
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Typo, mid air collisions, avoidable mistakes, very human.

Refusing to accept the the facts like @JoeAmateur, very prehistoric.

Now go back to Jurassic and keep making mistakes. Hopefully no fatal accidents happens because of your ignorance of technology.

Your kind is using obsolete 60 year old tech and over due for extinction.
For the sake of human lives, please retire.


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(@Eskimo)
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What does all these disasters have in common?

Human error.


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 Kurt
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The TCAS systems on the aircraft would not have allowed the aircraft to get as close as you mentioned, maybe their altitudes were a difference 300’ but not horizontal separation. This is written in a way that either intentionally inflates the risk of the situation or by someone who may not be entirely in the know.


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(@JoePro)
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Sorry bud, only guy refusing to accept facts is you.

ATC disappears, people die. It's literally why ATC was invented to begin with.

This fantasy AI you keep talking about that can take over from all the humans tomorrow doesn't exist.

Prove Me Wrong.

Anyways, I was drinking when I made my typo. What's your excuse for your limited thinking skills?


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(@JoePro)
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"do", not "does".


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 Zach
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Still Waiting for your article about AA bringing on Bollinger Champagne…


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@ Zach -- No need to wait, it was published five days ago. 🙂
https://onemileatatime.com/news/american-bollinger-champagne/


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(@McPHee)
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Nighttime is the time of day when visual separation is the easiest. It's typically harder to see traffic in the daytime.


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(@JoePro)
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Hard to be certain, but I think the J-Ring was inaccurate. It said 3 miles, but the runways are almost two miles long. I think the tickmarks are 1 mile tickmarks, and I think the J-Ring was 6 miles.

In that case, looks like slightly under 1 mile lateral.

Anyway, this looks like bad controlling, but it does not look like a "close call".

Is weird TCAS didn't require action sooner. Guess that's why we still need human control.


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 Dan
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It depends on the job, but ya a lot of ATC jobs aren’t hard. Same with pilots. Thank Hollywood.


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