SWISS Launches New Premium Economy Product

These seats seems good for a domestic US flights first class.

Eight seats per row. What a joke.

Obviously I haven't seen in person, but from the "AR" view on their website, it does look like the seats have a regular plug as well (for laptop charging).

So the 777 used to be 9 seats across in economy, but then refitted to be 10... making 8 across in premium economy look quite decent. It seems so cynical that this premium economy only looks ok because they made economy worse.

Don't the premium eco seats resemble those in business class from 20-25 years ago?

I don't mind the 8 seats per row as it's almost always myself and my spouse so we just grab one of the 2's.

It's all moot however as the international options out of ATL are few and far between so I doubt I'll be trying Swiss any time soon.

So, quick calculation (and I may be wrong), SWISS will have to charge at least 66% price premium over economy to break even (not including enhanced service offerings) for removing those economy seats (assuming they were full). My guess is that they're not flying full economy section. Also, I think a flimsy curtain between would make the whole cabin look worse.

Those fixed shell seats are a nightmare if you are trying to get comfortable to sleep. You just "slide" forward in a position that is very uncomfortable on the back, and I found myself preferring economy seats with a tiny recline over those fixed shells ones.

I suspect, once in the air, economy passengers will move into any empty Premium Economy seats and the cabin crew will have a difficult time to get them to move.

Those dont look too bad but you bring up a great point about the slide versus and actual recline. At least you wont be bothered by the person in front of you.

Those seats are great for a day flight because to your point, no one is reclining in your space, but I'd take an economy seat with standard recline over these for a night flight.

Virgin who were the vanguard airline to introduce Premium Economy and have won numerous awards have drastically reduced the width of the seat from 21” on its 787/A330 to 18.5” on its new A350. I don’t like shell type seats in premium cabins (ok in economy) but also feel the width of PE seats should be greater than 20”.

Last time we flew premium economy (Air Canada) the standard economy section was maybe 30% capacity, and almost all passengers could lie comfortably across three seats. That's impossible with the fixed armrest in premium. Total waste of money for less comfort. Not going there again. The small extra recline is so not worth the extra cost. If comfort is vital we'd rather pay full J.

looks good but I only see this as possible for a return flight form europe (day flight) and there would have to be a good delta with C.

It does give SWISS more upgrade options.

Swiss has long sold "premium" meals in economy, which I believe were a little bit of a step down from business/first, but a big step up from economy. Wouldn't be surprised to see them simply repurpose those meals as the PE offerings.

LH Premium Economy is also not separated from economy. Even more bizarre, in most 747-8s, PE is in between two sections of Economy…

EVA was the first to introduce Premium Economy in 1991:)...VA about 1.5 years later, but of course with their brand and LON base they propelled the popularity of it.

I have noted that many of the updated PE products by all airlines really only eliminate one seat from the row (on 350's/787s), which is disappointing. 2-4-2 is still pretty good on the wider 777. Cheers!

EVA was the first to introduce PE in 1991:)....followed by Virgin Atlantic about 1.5 years later. VA definitely made it a "sexier" product with their brand and additional soft benefits.

Unless the crew do a head count often I’m sure there will be lots of “movement” from economy as there is no divider

One has to ask why do we have premium economy in the first place? It's really only because airlines have stripped down regular economy from what it was some 3 decades ago, with perhaps some marginal premium features added. For long-haul flights, this so called "premium economy cabin" should be the standard for regular economy. That said, one has to expect to pay more if that were the case.

One of the greatest incentives is a smaller seperate cabin from sardine can economy,alleviating the"steerage"atmosphere for PE passengers.A true oversight here.

I am Star Gold mulling flying on premium economy Swiss. With my FF status, what's the total baggage allowance? Is it 2 or 3 x 23kg each?

I will be trying out premium economy this August. I am already disappointed by reading your comments. I thought it would be much better recluse and ability to see of the fly. ☹️ it sounds like I upgraded for nothing…

I booked Premium Economy on Swiss Air at significant cost increase over economy (expected this). What I did not expect is to be charged to choose my seat! I have 4 flights on a RT ticket to Italy from Boston. I paid an extra $175 u.s. to choose my seats.

I’ve never had this happen in the many years I’ve been traveling Premium. Are other airlines starting to do this, too?