Korean Air A330 Has Landing Accident In Cebu

Flight to the PH probably carrying a lot of elderly from US and Canada.. can’t imagine people like my grandma and grandpa having to evacuate. At least in MNL there are always lines of wheelchairs

Looks like the nose gear failed and what you thought was fuselage damage is I think perimeter fencing that been ripped up and goes around the middle of the aircraft. Might not be a write off, hope all are safe and well.

My nephew and his wife were passengers on this flight going to Cebu for business from Seattle

I'm not sure how many wheelchair bound passengers would be traveling post-COVID. My uncles and their wives used to travel pretty frequently to the motherland and both of their wives now require the aid of a wheelchair, but have no plans to do so for the foreseeable future because of fears of COVID. My mom who is actually considered elderly, but not wheelchair bound, will be traveling. I'm sure a lot if not majority of the elderly especially those who are wheelchair bound will hold off their travels so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a significant drop of those demographics that are traveling. But yes, a lot of travelers that go back to their motherland are PWD at least pre-COVID. Philippine Airlines actually filed an appeal with LAX because they were moved to the MSC and it'll be a huge burden to a lot of their passengers as they have the most wheelchair bound passengers.

A lot of people who are "wheelchair bound" suddenly become UNwheelchair bound when the plane rolls up to the arrival gate. We call this: Being cured by Jetway Jesus.

Question for pilot readers of this blog:
If flight crew believe passengers must be prepared for an emergency landing, should they also conclude a diversion to another airport would be better?

I just took my grandparents home to Manila by ANA in August. Many many wheelchairs. In fact there were not enough staff in MNL that each worker had to keep coming back and take 2 wheelchairs each.... and yes I get that these people use can walk but use wheelchairs for distance (if my grandparents walked it would take 10 minutes to get up the jet bridge) but imagine them goin down the slides ( at least it looks like slides are deployed) ugh I can't think about it

Hope they are ok. Most likely anxious and hope there’s someone there to support them.

There were 6 in wheelchairs last month when AA240 landed at FCO in the rain without a gate and they brought out the stairs. I often wonder how they get them off with stairs, perhaps they use the trucks that lift the food carts? Whatever the case, it seemed like a normal number of wheelchairs for a 777-200.

I call it being seated in "miracle class." See it on flights to Las Vegas a lot.

There are special lifts for chair-bound pax to board planes that don’t have jetways; there also exist mobile stairs that have built-in lifts, quite like those you see on stationary stairs in homes.

24 years old! Glad it’s getting retired. But wasn’t expected like this.

Looks like the desire to complete the mission took priority over finding a secondary place to land.

The question becomes how was the weather in places like Manila, or in Indonesia, vs available fuel after two missed approaches and an hour of circling. If weather was expected to be an issue SOP should be to carry enough fuel to make an airport outside the the anticipated bad weather.

After the second missed approach I would have expected enough fuel to go to a secondary airport, but if the weather sucked everywhere, or the forecast said Cebu should improve, I can also see the desire to land in Cebu as planned.

My WAG - the captain got myopic on the mission and decided before the approach even started he was going to put it on the ground the third try.

I’m certianly open to that not being the case though.

Question investigators will look into was why they didn’t divert to the alternate on the flight plan. Guessing they encountered wind sheer causing them to land long. They probably should’ve gone around a 3rd time or gone to the alternate. That’s exactly why we have alternates planed is for these types of situations. Someone is getting fired.

interesting the passenger said they were told ahead of time to prepare for emergency evacuation "Due to weather and plane malfunctions...". So the crew knew before they attempted the landing that there was something broken with the airplane? Sounds like inclement weather wasnt the only factor?

Many elderly folks take wheelchair (even though they can walk) for 2 reasons; 1) they can't walk long distances, 2) language barrier or they can't navigate their way to the correct terminal/gate. There's usually an option when booking: a) wheelchair and need assistance to seat on plane or b) wheelchair but can walk up to seat from gate.

Interesting, but what secondary airport ? The flying time back to MNL is one hour plus. Indonesia ?? Possibly Bohol.

I guess this case is a perfect example of “getthereitis”.

Stop whining. The incident that this person is talking about actually happened.

It wasn't FoxNews, it was KTVU in Oakland, and the newscaster was too stupid to realize that the names were fake and she was being punked on live TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JYHNX8pdo

24 is in no way atypical for a plane still in passenger service, especially a widebody.

I'd think that after the first two go-arounds and an hour of waiting for the weather to clear, that the plane was pretty much out of fuel, forcing the emergency landing. Commercial planes don't carry a lot more fuel than they need for their destinations, 1) to save on fuel costs, and 2) because extra weight from fuel can mess up the landing even in nice weather.

As an extra tidbit for reason #2, planes that find mechanical issues or whatnot right after takeoff have to release most of their fuel into the air (and thus the oceans and land) before returning to land at their departure airport because it's difficult to land a fully loaded plane safely.

@ConcordeBoy

So if someone was using derogatory words on live TV, we should stop whining and use the n-word?

Care to update this story now we know that everyone is safe and that the ILS at the airport was down?

Why the pilot didn't decide to land to the nearest airport, the Panglao International airport?

ILS out, which then necessitates a less precise RNAV approach, low visibility because of weather, and a runway with poor surface conditions is likely going to be the factors involved in what will ultimately be called a poor decision by the captain to continue landing attempts at Cebu.

Now there certainly may be systemic issues in place; company pressure to make a trip, was adequate fuel loaded to facilitate a diversion, cultural expectation to be successful, but ultimately a pilot needs to have the gumption to get past all of that to put their plane on the ground safely. This outcome obviously did not happen.

Indeed. Stop being such fucking pussies and get on with your lives.

You have an alternate for a reason. Not to say, “will just hold here hoping the weather gets better”. They induced that emergency by not diverting. If that’s the final findings.