A little over two weeks ago, we saw an Air India Boeing 787 crash after takeoff from Ahmedabad, killing hundreds. This is the most fatal aviation accident in roughly a decade, and it’s also one of the most mysterious. What would cause a Boeing 787 to essentially fall out of the sky just seconds after…
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It’s like the Indian government is writing the word “COVERUP” with a Sharpie on their foreheads.
To be fair, isn’t Boeing, the engine manufacturer, and the UK authorities already part of this investigation? Seems difficult to cover anything up with them all involved.
If a discovery of fault is found, a panel of neutral observers can help verify the conclusion. We want the blame on the correct issue for future safety. This is not the time for inflated egos to overshadow a tragedy.
There is enough transparency with all the parties that are already involved.
Given that we saw UN agencies actively aiding Hamas in Gaza, it's no surprise that some countries prefer to keep distance - to be clear, I don't think ICAO is problematic in any way, but I understand the scepticism.
So far they have not handle this very well first few days you could even see trucks passing over the 787 wing when that its a piece of evidence.
I suspect that Boeing and GE already have enough data to be able to come to a reasonable conclusion about a potential cause and that there is no risk to other airlines or the 787 or the GEnx engine.
Fuel contamination seems to be one explanation that could have caused the disaster and some reports say India hasn't ruled that out.
Given the aggressive growth that multiple Indian airlines have, this will certainly create doubt in the eyes of some to the benefit of foreign airlines.
That's correct, and so are the NTSB due to the country of manufacture being the USA. So, it's not like India is clearly covering things up. On the other hand, their AAIB is leading the investigation and that may be the issue here as far as the UN is concerned.
By allowing Boeing, UK (AAIB) and NTSB to be part of this investigation ? What an ignorant and racist remark to make !
Will see but i have never seem a dual engine flameout at exactly the same time thats very weird. Was there a engine FADEC issue that the electric fuel shut off valves closed (FSOV) and provoke fuel starvation.
Time will tell.
Just what this investigation needs…..the input from an inept and ineffective international organization
Don’t remember ICAO self inviting during 737 fiasco. I guess only certain countries can engage in involved in coverups.
I do not think Boeing coming to any conclusion regardless of the risk level of existing Boeing flights means much because they’re not incentivized for planes to stop flying, short of them likely to disappear out of thin air.
I agree that not collaborating is not a good look.
To your point on fuel contamination though, why would it specifically lead to this crash? And as for not ruling that out, I don’t think they’ve accepted or rejected any theory.
Can you provide us links to where it was reported that fuel contamination was considered as a cause by India.
Agreed with Ben, seems like a condescending move by the ICAO even if made with the best intentions, and it's not like India is investigating this all by their lonesome to begin with, otherwise Boeing and GE would also have to be in on the coverup. The more conspirators involved, the exponentially more likely it won't remain a secret.
Indian government and officials will always deny ,that they do not have the expertise if things go wrong.They have still not disclosed how many Aircraft were shot down in recent conflict.Nothing has changed since independence.
Still whole story of debacle during Chinese invasion not public.
Cause speculation: there was a rare combination of factors, but the ultimate cause is a software glitch causing engine shutdown.
if that were the case, India would be quick to highlight what happened - and they may in time.
And the real people that matter are Boeing and GE and potentially the NTSB. If what you suggested is the cause, then there will need to be some sort of corrective action taken across the global 787 or GEnx fleet.
there has been every possible explanation for the accident SUGGESTED and also that India did test the fuel right after the accident and found nothing in the samples they took.
Boeing and GE have every reason to know the answer in order to prevent a repeat if there is something repeatable. Since they are not leading the investigation, they are not likely to say anything unless they have overwhelming evidence now that there is a fleet-wide issue - which would probably be difficult to determine at this point.
You are contradicting yourself.
Original post you said : “ Fuel contamination seems to be one explanation that could have caused the disaster and some reports say India hasn't ruled that out.”
Now you are saying : “ that India did test the fuel right after the accident and found nothing in the samples they took.”
In the line of thinking it was fuel contamination, has any speculation been seen about this being sabotage? Like the equivalent of pouring sugar in a car's gas tank?
The chances of full disclosure seem to be limited at this time.
Air India - Khalistan terrorism? Not to speculate but there is a history of this. It has not been indicated as a possibility though there were aircraft that left YVR that never made it. It would be incredibly east to plant a very small explosive in the fuel pump distribution that would instantly shut off fuel without obvious external damage?
No chance India would admit to internal terrorist activities.
If and when the report comes out, American and British investigators can release a parallel report different from what India released if they believe what India released is not accurate.
A handful of accidents have more than one accident reports from different countries.
Fuel contamination isn't necessary always coming from fuel tanks/depos at airports.
Jet fuel are periodically mixed with different addictives to improve functionality. Antioxidant, Antifreeze. Obviously if you add more amount of this addictive than required, it becomes a contaminant.
Cite Titan Airways A321 fuel contamination at Gatwick, (between 2020-2022) don't remember the year correctly
Putting explosive in a fuel tank no matter the size will result in a large boom.
Terrorist also don't really care about executing their act "without external damage". Unless sabotage is employed, explosive was never used in here.
If and when the report comes out, American and British investigators can release a parallel report different from what India released if they believe what India released is not accurate.
A handful of accidents have more than one accident reports from different countries.
That seems extremely unlikely. A more likely scenario would be someone accidentally (or intentionally) hitting the fuel cutoff switches or fire handles, as the guy tried (but thankfully failed) to do on the Alaska flight a few years ago. But that's also just one possibility among many with no evidence at this point.
It's likely that the investigators already have a pretty good idea of what happened since they have the FDR and CVR data now. Hopefully the relevant facts will be made public soon without any political influence.
Dual engine failures are rare, but not unheard of... and the most recent one happened less than 6 months earlier on Jeju 2216.
The most common cause of this has been one engine failing and the crew inadvertently shutting down the wrong one. There have been several instances of that. A less common cause has been simultaneous bird strikes in both engines (i.e. plane hit a flock of birds) as happened with US Air 1549. Of course, another possible cause for both engines shutting down is... both engines being commanded to shut down. Which came very close to happening less than 2 years ago when the off-duty Alaska Airlines pilot tried to pull the fire handles.
I've never heard of a software failure causing a dual engine shutdown in any airliner. That's not to say it's impossible, but it seems quite unlikely and I've never heard of it happening before.
Yes it's as if the US asks the help of united nations when one of it's planes crash. There are enough competent authorities including those from Boeing and NTSB helping.
Absolutely.. this seems offensive to suggest that United Nations needs to get involved. India has enough people assisting including Boeing and other experts. No need of the UN
The whole purpose of this investigation to get to the bottom of this in the detailed and expeditious manner I think it's time to put aside this ego and use any help that is available from a different point of view no for this conspiracy theories