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Air Europa's Bizarre Hijacking Scare

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Well, for once I’m happy about ”fake news,” but I have so many questions.

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Aircraft are equipped with transponders that transmit a four-digit code. The transponder code for “HIJACKING” is 7500 which will send a silent alert to Air Traffic Control that a hijacking is in progress. To avoid this, I turn the transponder off before setting the new ATC issued squawk code just to be sure that I don’t set off an accidental alarm.


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 Jeff
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@Steve - you are the only pilot on the face of the earth that takes such precaution. Kudos!


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(@marija)
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During the attempted coup in Istanbul, the crowds in the lounge had 3 major panic waves (as in screaming, falling down the big staircase, toppling people in front or anybody not massive/fast enough) - and there was absolutely NOTHING happening in the immediate vicinity. Maybe a kid screamed, maybe someone tripped on rollaboard, and that was enough for jittery crowds to go complete berzerk.

Never underestimate the power of mob mentality.


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(@rohit-deshpande)
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@Jeff @Steve as a pilot myself I can confirm that even I don’t turn the transponder off before changing my squawk code. Well done Steve, well done.


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 Alan
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@steve Does this leave any abnormalities in flight tracking data (like holes or gaps in FR24 or Flightaware?)


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(@markiteight)
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@Jeff: No he isn't.


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Diamond
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Probably a bored Russian troll farmer started the rumour on his coffee break from disrupting democratic institutions.


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(@ChrisC)
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There is no 'fake news' here.

There was an actual incident - a real one - not a fake one or an imaginary one.

That it didn't turn out to be an actual hijack - just a mistake - still does not mean this is fake news.

What would be fake news is if in the future this incident is described as an hijacking.


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 JDS
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On the knife aspect, about two years ago there was an suspected terrorist attack in central London. People were tweeting about they had to step over dead bodies when fleeing to a safe area.

There was no terrorist attack, there were no bodies. What actually happened is unclear, but people were reporting all sorts of things happening. None of which actually happened. As someone above said, mob mentality took over.


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(@Calin)
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Steve, but turning it off would cause the atc to loose the signal for a few seconds. Just don’t forget to turn it back on, otherwise it can be potentially dangerous if the atc don’t see the lost squawk alert (this happened before but perhaps it’s harder to happen nowadays).


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(@Fiona Okawele)
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We all know the media love making things up. Generates more clicks, good for business.


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@ Calin, @ Alan. The transponder code that was being used is NO LONGER VALID due to ATC issuing a new squawk code so there is no gap. The whole operation is done is a matter of seconds. Thanks for your concern.


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(@Travel Entuziast)
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Nice job getting a link from the Drudge Report! Big time!


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 Matt
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Why did they even turn on the transponder at the gate? At the gate it should be in standby mode. In standby you can preset any code in it, (like if you wanted to show someone how to input a code), and it does't transmit till you turn it on. You turn it on when ready for pushback so ATC can see your aircraft. It should never have been turned on while boarding.


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 Ang
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In the news industry we call them Lie Witnesses. People who want their few seconds of fame or whose brains can’t handle an ounce of stress and just make up something for the cameras.


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(@LUIS MARTINEZ)
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So what does this button do? oh shit.


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(@Tommy Twofinger)
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So many comments, so many misinformed people... ADS-B, STBY, ALT... all the knowledge you used to be familiar with is now an artifact.


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 ryan
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@Marija, there was a great threat in the lounge at IST during the coup. The bulletholes were in the windows at the lounge. I would panic too.


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Maybe it was the pilots protest against IAG acquiring Air Europa


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 Rob
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Why would he even do that in the first place? Just stay away from squawk codes 7500, 7600 and 7700. I mean, even to just SHOW an intern. Why not just tell him? I bet he'd show his child what to do in case of an emergency at home; just call 911! Then he would! Followed by a quick hung up. Nothing sketchy there, right?


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 eric
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I hope a big invoice will be send to the airline. It makes no sense to send this code AT THE GATE while still boarding. It was a big mess. Many responders, police, ambulances, rapid heavily armed response team, closing of the airport. they cut the live camera feeds also in surrounding area/tunnels. there were 2 F16 fighter jets scrambled to protect the airspace. I would say that is a good response for an otherwise “soft” Netherlands


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@eric
Of course it makes no sense, it was a mistake. A good drill though.
It has been announced that Air Europa will not be billed for the mistake, so I suppose that supports your impression of a "soft" Netherlands.


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Aircraft are equipped with transponders that transmit a four-digit code. The transponder code for “HIJACKING” is 7500 which will send a silent alert to Air Traffic Control that a hijacking is in progress. To avoid this, I turn the transponder off before setting the new ATC issued squawk code just to be sure that I don’t set off an accidental alarm.


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 Jeff
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@Steve - you are the only pilot on the face of the earth that takes such precaution. Kudos!


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During the attempted coup in Istanbul, the crowds in the lounge had 3 major panic waves (as in screaming, falling down the big staircase, toppling people in front or anybody not massive/fast enough) - and there was absolutely NOTHING happening in the immediate vicinity. Maybe a kid screamed, maybe someone tripped on rollaboard, and that was enough for jittery crowds to go complete berzerk.

Never underestimate the power of mob mentality.


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@Jeff @Steve as a pilot myself I can confirm that even I don’t turn the transponder off before changing my squawk code. Well done Steve, well done.


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 Alan
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@steve Does this leave any abnormalities in flight tracking data (like holes or gaps in FR24 or Flightaware?)


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@Jeff: No he isn't.


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Diamond
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Probably a bored Russian troll farmer started the rumour on his coffee break from disrupting democratic institutions.


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(@ChrisC)
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There is no 'fake news' here.

There was an actual incident - a real one - not a fake one or an imaginary one.

That it didn't turn out to be an actual hijack - just a mistake - still does not mean this is fake news.

What would be fake news is if in the future this incident is described as an hijacking.


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 JDS
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On the knife aspect, about two years ago there was an suspected terrorist attack in central London. People were tweeting about they had to step over dead bodies when fleeing to a safe area.

There was no terrorist attack, there were no bodies. What actually happened is unclear, but people were reporting all sorts of things happening. None of which actually happened. As someone above said, mob mentality took over.


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Steve, but turning it off would cause the atc to loose the signal for a few seconds. Just don’t forget to turn it back on, otherwise it can be potentially dangerous if the atc don’t see the lost squawk alert (this happened before but perhaps it’s harder to happen nowadays).


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(@Fiona Okawele)
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We all know the media love making things up. Generates more clicks, good for business.


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@ Calin, @ Alan. The transponder code that was being used is NO LONGER VALID due to ATC issuing a new squawk code so there is no gap. The whole operation is done is a matter of seconds. Thanks for your concern.


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Nice job getting a link from the Drudge Report! Big time!


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 Matt
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Why did they even turn on the transponder at the gate? At the gate it should be in standby mode. In standby you can preset any code in it, (like if you wanted to show someone how to input a code), and it does't transmit till you turn it on. You turn it on when ready for pushback so ATC can see your aircraft. It should never have been turned on while boarding.


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 Ang
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In the news industry we call them Lie Witnesses. People who want their few seconds of fame or whose brains can’t handle an ounce of stress and just make up something for the cameras.


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(@LUIS MARTINEZ)
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So what does this button do? oh shit.


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(@Tommy Twofinger)
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So many comments, so many misinformed people... ADS-B, STBY, ALT... all the knowledge you used to be familiar with is now an artifact.


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 ryan
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@Marija, there was a great threat in the lounge at IST during the coup. The bulletholes were in the windows at the lounge. I would panic too.


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Maybe it was the pilots protest against IAG acquiring Air Europa


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