Positive 2021 Marriott Bonvoy Changes (Elite Nights Posting)

Buyer’s market as expected.

Lucky - I've always wondered why Bonvoy only counts room night prices into the Ambassador calculation. Things like renting a conference space or buying banquet food does not count ($0 counts - not even a fraction). Any insights into why?

Wait - so if I was Platinum last year and have both a business and personal Marriott credit card, then now I'll be Platinum until Feb of 2022 without even staying at a Marriott this year?

Just curious, do the nights also count towards Lifetime Status?
I would love to read the press release, but couldn't find it.

Tell me if I am wrong here (and I won't be doing this because I can probably find a 4 night stay for less than $300s during the Double Elite Night promo period) but assuming you were Titanium in 2020, couldn't you select the 5 Elite Nights as your Platinum benefit and be at 73 nights requiring only 1 stay to get to Titanium again in 2021 (and hold it through Feb 2023)?

@ tim -- You'd be Platinum until February 2023, and you could select Choice Benefits. That's 30 elite nights plus 25 elite nights, for 55 elite nights total.

@ Titanium -- Yep, that would work as well! 🙂

@ Lars -- They posted towards lifetime status last year, and I'd assume the same will be the case this year.

Great for Americans, not so great for most other countries. We don't have credit cards that hand out elite nights. That's really a shame and one of the reasons I prefer Hilton.

@ T -- It's a good question, there are always quirks and inconsistencies in terms of what qualifies towards status and what doesn't. I think in general loyalty programs prioritize different activities in different ways. In the same way that meetings earn points at a lower rate than regular hotel spending, I'd guess the explanation here is similar.

I guess Marriott doesn't want to dilute Ambassador status too much, and the program knows that there are a lot of meetings planned (at least pre-COVID), and if all that spending counted towards Ambassador status, there would be a lot more members.

@Tim - Yes
@Titanium - Yes. If you have the personal and business Marriott cards for 30 EQNs and get another 38 EQNs from Titanium status, you can use your 50 Night Choice Benefit selection this year on the 5 EQNs to make it 73 EQNs.

@ Betty -- Point taken, but to be clear, Hilton literally hands out Diamond status with a US credit card, so I'm not sure that argument holds up?

This sounds great but it is worthless because they are giving away platinum status with credit cards. The tangible difference in on-property benefits between platinum and ambassador is minimum when club lounges are closed, most hotels aren’t providing housekeeping, and many hotel restaurants closed for breakfast. And once resume to semi-normal or normal the club lounges and restaurants are going to be overcrowded with everyone who achieved platinum status through credit cards, status matches and free night giveaways.

I also don’t understand the incentive for me to stay with Marriott once I presumably re-qualify for ambassador status by early spring.

This is a big, big problem.

The line about the elite nights deposited links to an article from last July. Is this actually the deposit from last year, or can we expect a second deposit soon?

Credit card loyalty is getting out of hand. It's become pretty clear that Marriott, Hilton, Hyatt, etc... care more about the customer who puts a lot of spend on their co-branded credit card than the customers who actually stay in their hotels. So much for us road-warriors who earn status the old-fashion way.

Of course I finished last year on 49 nights, with no travel since March, and Marriott unwilling to bump me to Platinum. Oh well!

@ Ben -- None of this changes the fact that Marriott sucks.

How do you get 30 nights from credit cards? I thought the max you can get is 15 nights. I have the Marriott Brilliant card from Amex, and the Marriott Ritz card from Chase, and always only get 15 nights per year.

@Jannis: +1, wondering about this, too.

@Jon: You have to hold a consumer card AND the AmEx business card; consumer cards don't stack.

If I apply for the Amex Marriott business card today before the 1/13 deadline to automatically get platinum via that card, will that be soon enough to take advantage of being platinum for the purposes of this promotion?

@ Jon -- Nowadays you can earn at most 30 elite nights, with 15 through a personal card and 15 through a business card. Here's everything you need to know about that:
https://onemileatatime.com/marriott-bonvoy-credit-card-elite-nights/

@ Loren M -- Nope, it's based on your 2020 status. So if you're talking about getting 25 bonus elite nights, that would have to be based on the status you had in the 2020 program year, rather than the 2021 program year.

@ Jannis -- There's a second deposit, I was just linking to how it worked last year. Sorry for any confusion.

Not happy. I had 71 nights in Nov and decided not to chase Titanium in Dec given limited additional benefit. Now I will get 13 elite nights less...

Will the double elite credits count towards lifetime status?

@ CSP -- I would assume so, since virtually all elite nights count towards lifetime status (including those earned through credit cards).

@Zac
I am right there with you. I had 73 nights in 2020 with 4 nights in NYC from 12/28-1/1 but cancelled because I didnt see the need to get Titantium. welp.. ill can probably get Titanium this year with a promo like this

All of this would mean something if Marriott Bonvoy elite status was worth achieving.

I’m a lifetime titanium member, and I’ve given up on Marriott completely. I now enjoy elite status with Hilton and Hyatt; both who which value my patronage more than Marriott ever did.

This is actually a brilliant strategy because so many customers will have platinum, titanium and ambassador elite statues. These are customers who wouldn't otherwise have that tier of status.

As a result, nobody will get their elite status benefits and the cost to hotel owners and Marriott International will decrease.

Don't forget. Decreasing costs was one of the big reasons behind Bonvoy, according to public statements at the time by Marriott executives Arne Sorenson and David Flueck.

What difference does it make if there are 100,000 platinum elite status customers or 200,000? Especially when it's very likely that club lounges in domestic (North America) properties will remain closed for most or all of 2021. Similarly, we're likely to see breakfast benefits -- when returned chain-wide -- to be watered down to grab-and-go sandwiches and the like. Don't forget that some properties pre-coronavirus were already claiming a stale muffin or bagel with coffee was breakfast.

I would not be surprised if some medium-sized properties by mid-2021 and certainly early 2022 will have 100-plus platinum, titanium or ambassador elite guests on a busy night.

I know back in 2017 the front office manager at the J.W. Marriott Essex House (around 450 rooms) in New York City told me they averaged 75 platinums per week night. At the time, platinum was the highest published elite status in legacy Marriott. Pre-coronavirus, New York City hotels averaged 86% nightly occupancy. So, that's 387 occupied rooms on average per night at the J.W. Marriott. Of that, nearly 20% of rooms were occupied by platinums.

Right now, the only Marriott properties I'll stay at are Fairfield, Courtyard, Four Points and AC. I don't see the value in paying for a Marriott, Sheraton, Westin, Renaissance, J.W. Marriott or other full-service brand if I'm not going to get a real breakfast, if there's no housekeeping, if there's no mini-bar, if there's no same-day laundry, if there's no newspaper, etc.

Ben, any idea if existing Amex Platinum charge card holders (who had complimentary Gold status for 2020) will receive the 13 elite night bonus to give them a start toward higher status this year?

Hey Ben - quick Bonvoy CC question before the great offer expires:

If I am above the chase 5/24 rule and am working to get under 5/24 to get the Hyatt card, will getting the Marriott bonvoy business card push me further above the 5/24, making it even longer until I can get the Hyatt CC? (Thanks as always!)

This may explain why the co-branded Marriott cards offered platinum status only for the 2021 calendar year, as opposed to immediately upon approval (which otherwise would have made more sense).

@ Nick -- Nope, applying for an Amex business card wouldn't count against you for 5/24.

Hi Ben
I have Titanium Elite Status and have a for last since 2019 - I checked and only received my AX card nites - no bonus? When do they expect to add the 50% bonus? Your article did not mention a timeline.

Also, always wondered if you can apply Suite nights to a reservation if they are short of the days - example: having 9 suite night and your reservation is a 10 night stay - should i book two 5 night stays instead? or will they still accept the 9 - against the 10 night stay?

And still no path to higher or top tier status via spend only ala the competition. I would have thought this year would have been the PERFECT time to attract high spenders . So spenders who are non road Warriors are still much better off with Hyatt , IHG etc .

@ Norman -- Let me check when the 50% elite nights are supposed to post, as it hasn't happened yet. You're not missing anything.

You can only apply SNAs if you have enough to cover the entire length of your stay. So in your case you'd want to book two reservations.

I’m still scratching my head and figuring out what Marriott is going to do to incentivize me to stay at their properties once I re-qualify for ambassador with only 35 actual butt-in-bed nights?

I’ll be at 8 nights in real stays by the end of next week. That means I only need 27 more nights.

For the sake of discussion, let’s assume I hit the spend. Will they give me more suite night certificates if I do a legitimate 100 nights and a legitimate $20,000 spend? Will my excess spend rollover to 2022 for 2023 status?

It seems like this may not have been though through terribly well.

I was matched from Gold to Plat early September 2020. How does that work? Will I get 25 or 12-13 nights? I'm guessing the latter?

Hey thanx for the post. Slightly off topic... what's the best way besides huca to get my mariott 7 day certificate expiration date extended to the promised Aug 1 date ? For some reason it never got extended and its original exp date wasnt in 2019

Last year I was on 41 nights but was a Plats from 2019.

So question is, come February, will Marriott deposit 13 nights (as a Gold since I technically didnt make Plats last year by staying 50 nights) OR 25 nights since my status was Plats at year end (sorry for the confusion!!!!)

@Ben
The email I received, and the web site makes a big thing of status earned in 2020. I was comped Ambassador due to the extension of status but "only" earned titanium. If I strictly by the wording, I should only get 38 nights. Otherwise why put the word 'earned' in everywhere?

Nights are supposed to post by February 5 2021, so we will know soon enough.

@Ben --The email from Marriott says the 50% of Elite Night Credits will be deposited into accounts in February.

It seems to me that Ambassador is going to be extremely difficult to re-qualify for this year. Assuming you only need 35 more nights after the 50 elite night credits plus 15 Bonvoy CC, that comes out to an average of $400/night in spend. It effectively makes the elite night credits worthless for Ambassadors due to the spend requirement.

They could offer free hot fudge sundaes at check in, bottle service in my room, and butler service for all stays.....I would still choose Hyatt....because they actually deliver.

The main excitement here that this Marriott move make a pitch for having two Bonvoy credit cards even stronger. The main problem with Marriott is that while it was somewhat better than Hilton in the past, this difference is getting smaller and smaller. Marriott is basically giving away status with credit cards and the new limited time promo with double points sucks.

Seems Lucky edited article regarding double elite night promotion from
“Only stays with at least one paid night will count towards this promotion“
to
“Only paid stays will qualify towards this, and not award stays”

The before statement was confusing, since I thought a stay in app can only be all point/all cash,
After one is clear, though sucks for people who are still trying to get Platinum in 2022.

@Ethan, actually, I just checked the FAQs for this promo and it does say "Only if a redemption stay includes at least one paid night, it will count toward the promotion offer of double points and double Elite Night Credits." Source here: https://help.marriott.com/s/article/Article-27593

Will the nights deposited in my account be based on the status I hold right now? I held several different levels of status throughout the year of 2020, but as of now (2021) I am gold... is that what I should expect to be considered for February?

I'll be Platinum again in 2020 thanks to this promo. At 55 nights it might be worth going for Titanium.

Do award nights count towards the qualifying nights? Last year my cash/points counted, but I'm not sure if only cash/points count or if my award night certificates will count too. anyone know?

All of this is wonderful. Only “wish” is that the double promo enc would have been a it longer will probably be summer before we’ll venture I to hotels. I can’t wait for a nice holiday. Super pleased with.m the additional credits - we’ll see if I can get to titanium again this year...

The Bonvoy Redemption rate chart near the top of the page appears to be outdated.

Nor does this Promotion appear to be active in my Bonvoy App as a Titanium: “Marriott Bonvoy will be reducing off-peak redemption rates globally by 10%:

This applies for reservations made between January 11 and February 21, 2021”

Regards

Has anyone actually had the stay credits deposited yet? I have not.

Hi Ben, will you be able to confirm this is accurate from the promo FAQ. Makes a big difference if a 5 night mattress run with a paid stay can be allowed to get double elite nights. 12 nights is significant:

Do redemption stays qualify for earning?

Only if a redemption stay includes at least one paid night, it will count toward the promotion offer of double points and double Elite Night Credits.

Let me be clear. My home away from home was a Sheraton at a major Euro airport. Things began changing when Marriot took over.
On my last stay (just pre-Covid) I was banished to a building with miniature rooms while they worked to carve out the nice rooms into an adjacent Marriot. The Towers lounge was a total fiasco. In reality I must thank Bonvoy for teaching me a lesson. Sometimes a kick in the rear is a friendly way to encourage visits to the nearby Hilton!

WHEN will the elite nights be deposited -? my credit card nights (30) are there but not my titanium status nights and its already Feb 1st

AMEX Bonvoy Biz and AMEX Bonvoy Brilliant cardholders were supposed to receive Plat status starting Feb 1. I'm still showing Gold. Anyone know when we should be seeing the upgrade?

As a Lifetime Titanium member, I Think it is utterly unfair to add credit card bonuses. In my country (Portugal) there is no credit card whatsoever that could be a plus onto a higher sector! And this was trough with SPG as well. All my stays are out of my wallet and I personally pay for them. This dicotomy should be taken into consideration !

My extra 38 nights have posted, and they do count towards lifetime elite status. WOO HPPO!!

Mine also posted today, automatically pushing me into Lifetime Platinum! 🙂

Now if only I could travel somewhere to make use of it 🙁

Same here. 38 nights with a total of 68 due to 30 from the credit cards.

mine look to be deposited - Titanium.

"Paid stays."

Would an extended stay, where first night is booked cash and then a mix of certificates and points used for additional nights, qualify under the February promotion?

Does anyone know when the Lifetime Status years will be updated? Mine is the same as March 2820 (last screenshot I have) and I've been Ambassador this whole time.

Any replies appreciated, thanks.

Does anyone know what happens if you reach a new tier during a stay? Do you get credit for the tier you had at check-in? At check-out? Or is the program sophisticated enough too give you partial credit?

Thanks very much.

I got gold status from my credit cards, so I guess I technically didn't "earn" the status, will I still get 13 elite nights deposited?

I started 2020 without so much as a Bonvoy membership; got 15 nights/Silver out of a credit card; and then stayed 10 nights to make it to Gold by July, and haven't had a Marriott hotel night since then.

By Marriott's definitions for these bonuses, what status did I have in 2020? Do they look at January 1st, or December 31st?

Sorry if this is a silly question but just want to check before I spend $$ booking - so far in 2021 I have the following nights as a Gold Elite from 2020:

13 - 50% roll over bonus
15 - credit card

Option 1: Stay 11 nights (means 22 nights under double promotion) means total 50 nights (13+15+22) gets Platinum
Option 2: Stay 24 nights (means 48 nights under double promotion) means total 76 nights (13+15+24) gets Titanium

Either Option 1 or 2, new status will be effectively immediately and will last until 31 Dec 2022 (not 31 Dec 2021), is that correct?

Thanks in advance!!

Where can I find information on th 5 points per dollar on groceries, drugstore and gas purchases promo running through March 31, 2021?

Thank You Marriott Bonvoy
You have the best hotel loyalty program

@Andrew Chan
Actually it’s February 28, 2023

Marriott Sucks. The employess suck and the hotel sucks. Nothing good to report here. Stay anyplace else!

There is nothing to celebrate here. I’m a Starwood holdover, and the program is shit now that Marriott has taken over (as expected). The points have been diluted to high hell. Good luck finding a decent hotel (not even high end, just decent) for less than 50k per night. I’m burning my points and trading my Bonvoy Brilliant AMEX for a Platinum.

I liked the 50% elite night credits but it sucks that it’s already June and they have offered any other promotions. Would be great if that would get on that and offer some kind of promotions for the summer months, kind of drives my hotel choices.

I honestly loved this
Marriott Bonvoy had the best promotion for 2021

Yes till end of 2022