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JetBlue Touts Fort Lauderdale Growth, Europe Flights

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JetBlue is promising significant expansion in South Florida. While that sounds exciting, personally I wouldn’t read too much into this, as the airline clearly has a motive with making these claims…

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(@Sharon)
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This announcement was full of nothing. I only see the purpose of it to claim in the forthcoming antitrust lawsuit.

DOJ: we want to block your merger
Jetblue: but oh.. look how many destinations we could add if we stifle competition!!

Jetblue's route map in FLL is relatively weak for a Focus City and it hasn't expanded in years. Rather, it has removed routes, such as Aruba and St Martin in recent years.


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(@Never In Doubt)
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Once the government files suit to block a merger, the chances of it happening are very low.


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Diamond
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All of this simply points out that the real problem w/ the merger is not NYC and BOS as JBLU has tried to argue was the problem. Even without divesting NK's assets, NK is too small to make a difference in BOS and NYC. The problem there is the Northeast Alliance.
The problem with the B6/NK merger is FLL.
Neither strategy is viable on its own. B6 would like to believe they can whitewash the negatives from both and come up w/ something that sticks.

JBLU is trying to promise that they'll grow FLL after taking out a competitor and making the public pay higher prices. Somehow I doubt this strategy will work.
JBLU also failed to note that Florida is one of the states that has joined the DOJ in suing to block the B6/NK merger.


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 SMR
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Why should JetBlue have to even justify the merger. I say shame on out garbage politicians for even considering blocking it. How do small airlines compete against the big guys ?

What % of FLL will a combined NK/B6 have ? 60% MAX. What % of DFW does AA have ? JetBlue would be competent hard against AA in Miami. AA competes against almost no one in DFW on most routes (I knew WN is at DAL).

What % does UA get in IAH?
What % does DL get in ATL and SLC?
What % does WN get in DAL?

All of these airlines have many mega hubs. What does JetBlue have ? I agree that B6/NK will struggle on their own and continue to make paltry profits. If they merge they can actually create a competing route network. Unfortunately no airline can just get 400 plans and 50000 pilots right now.

Spirit isn’t that cheap. There are many days I see their fares are higher than B6. Their product turns atelast half the flying public. I have friends that drive to MIA to pay AA for flights to Central America to avoid Spirit. The merger creates an actual competing airline with a darn good coach product.


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(@Iamhere)
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The real issue if the merger goes through is that JetBlue is part of OneWorld with American so then South Florida basically becomes largely a OneWorld hub.


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(@octinphl)
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JetBlue is not part of Oneworld. Yes, it has the NEA with American and reciprocal elite benefits, but that is a far cry from being in OW.


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Did AA grow DFW organically or through merger? That’s the difference.
WN owns DAL because it grew it. Not merger. These fortress hubs may be competitively unfair (AA drives competitors out by lowering fares), but not because of mergers.

JetBlue Spirit combo will dominate FLL and MCO. See: https://airserviceone.com/jetblue-and-spirit-currently-compete-head-to-head-on-over-40-routes-mostly-from-airports-in-florida/


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 SMR
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Lucky ,

JetBlue needs the merger to make Europe happen. They need massive connecting feed coupled with O and D travel to keep the route profitable year round. Fuel cost will be much higher than NY and the routes from FL can’t sustain low yells/low load factors. The spirit merger would bolster connecting traffic , especially to Europe. Yes… TLH and the timing is to help appease feds but they have to do that ! It is 100% true that the FLL growth can’t be sustained in the way promises without the merger and they cannot grow to 250 flights in 4 years without the merger. The tone of your email implies the entire announcement is pretty much fake.


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(@KingBob)
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Merger?
Not going to happen.
And that AA/B6 partnership is anti-competitive too and needs to be ended.


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(@Stuart)
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So the Terminal 5 Expansion is really just redoing the high T4 gates that used to serve the little props. Plus that is literally the last bit of area that they could make into a terminal without it going over Federal Highway (US1). So I guess good that they are getting the terminal.

In terms of FLL and JetBlue/Spirit, the question really becomes with this merger how competitive both airlines would be on their own.

They are already competing against Southwest/Allegiant over in Terminal 1 and Delta's strong presence which has kinda created a micro-hub for them in Terminal 2.

I think though the logic to say oh we can make more flights profitable. The question is how? Its really too far unless they think of Lisbon or Spain to run the 321LR for flights to London and Paris. Hell BA tried it with LGW-FLL and there just wasn't enough demand [mainly 80-90 pax on a 777 taking off from the North Runway.

There really also if JETBLUE/SPIRIT want to expand yea you just added 5 gates to a nice but small Terminal 4 complex with the connector over to Terminal 3 where JetBlue owns Concourse F and almost half of Concourse E with American having a few gates as well. I guess time will tell to see what will actually happen.


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Diamond
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then they should disband AA and US Airways and America West before that, disband United/continental, and disband Delta and Northwest...


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so what if they dominate FLL and MCO? What is the difference between that and United at IAH/IAD, AA at DFW/CLT, DL at SLC/ATL? Theoretically most airlines will dominate their main hub...How is it fair to NOT allow this merger but they allowed all those others. Precedence has been set.


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 Eric
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As Ben said, “jetBlue is grasping @ straws.” Very likely that the DOJ will not approve this Union.


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(@octinphl)
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Because both are in Florida. Too many armchair antitrust attorneys here…


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 SMR
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Your comments are fake news....All the legacies grew through MANY mergers. B6 has never merged with anyone and they have fought and survived watching all the other airlines merge. EVERY SINGLE B6 competitor except maybe Allegiant has grown through massive mergers. Fair is fair and this merger does not even create ONE fortress hub. FLL will remain extremely competitive with WN/Allegiant/Frontier across the tarmac and AA down the road. Consumers will win because pricing will still have to be aggressive and you get one bigger route network with a much better product. There is ZERO legal recourse to block this merger. Massive over extension of government. The big 3 also have pretty decent size ops at FLL.


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(@Paper Boarding Pass)
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The only other space for terminal expansion would be to build west of terminal 3 similar to what LAX did with its International terminal. I'm sure this is buried somewhere in the master plan for 2030 or beyond. An additional runway would also be appreciated. It would be parallel to 10R/28L just to the south of the airport. Again, I'm sure this also buried somewhere in the master plan for 2035. Since MIA is such a mess, it couldn't come soon enough.


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(@Paper Boarding Pass)
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Also, B6 needs to install club lounges at its hubs/focus cities in order to mature. Access could be limited to Mint customers as well as top tier loyalty PAX Don't want to get into the AMEX/Delta mash up of the last few years.


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(@octinphl)
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Dude, fake news? I am replying to your comment about FLL. You clearly do not understand antitrust law.


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