Delta is the biggest airline in the United States that doesn’t currently have the Boeing 737 MAX in its fleet (which I’d consider to be a positive, personally, since I prefer the A321neo to the 737 MAX). For a couple of years now, there have been reports of Delta being in negotiations with Boeing for…
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I am somewhat Surprised by the seating count, only 182 seats? That’s only 2 more seats than delta’s 737-900ER
For a -10 series that seems to be quite ‘few’ compared to the a321. For instance, Alaska is scheduled to install 189 seats on their 737-max10.
Lucky, do you think these planes may replace some of delta’s a320’s? Though not size comparable, Delta may need to re arrange aircraft development upon the retirement of the 717 aircraft
Sounds like a new level in pax DIScomfort. DL's 739's are the most cramped, uncomfortable, planes in their fleet. I expect the sketchy new MAX's to be the same sardine config.
DL realizes that pilot shortage isnt ending anytime soon. Flying bigger planes with fewer frequencies will become the norm to solve pilot issues. DLs narrow body aircraft will come in 2 sizes for the future A220 (mostly -300) and A321/Max10 while 319/320/-800/-900er get phased out
Delta is incrreasing the average gauge (number of seats per aircraft) so the MAX 10 is going to be a replacement for smaller aircraft, probably the A320s and B737-800s.
The 717s are not going anywhere for now since they are essentially replacing regional jets which are much more costly to staff than mainlne aircraft per seat. The A220s are flying routes that are largely beyond the range of regionial jets or are in highly competitive markets where the A220s product provides a product advantage.
It is certain that Delta got a good deal if for no other reason that it will help Boeing try to get the plane certified without additional changes.
The real interesting part of Delta's press release is that they MAX 10 will have 182 seats which is only 5 more than it has on the 737-900ER. Either they are going to add larger lavs or have larger pitch but that configuration is less than what the MAX 10 could support comparing DL's current 737 configurations to the difference in size between the various models in the MAX lineup.
Tim Dunn,
Your career as OMAAT’s resident unpaid (?) Delta public relations agent is right on track.
Congrats!
Good. About time they showed a bit of faith in American aircraft again. I fully quit using them when they retired the 747 and then the just refurbished and luxurious 777 retired before necessary in favour of Airbus a350 without the range, size or comfort was the last straw with Delta. But might start using them if they support America and return back to Boeing.
These frequentl critical comments around Tim Dunn's perspectives are tiresome.
Boeing != America. In fact, Boeing has been a corrosive influence on what is good with America: capture of the ExIm Bank, regulatory capture of the U.S. International Trade Commission and the Department of Commerce, multibillion-dollar tax breaks (read: theft of taxpayer funds) from Washington state, and most tragically regulatory capture of the FAA.
My father was a proud Boeing lifer, but that was when the company was run by safety-first engineers. He'd be ashamed of what that once proud company has become.
I would agree that with the pilot shortage and potentially higher fuel prices for the foreseeable future it makes sense to fly bigger planes with less frequency, particularly as the market has skewed more personal/leisure travel. Not to mention DL probably got a great deal on the planes. It seems as though the airlines like having both manufacturers so they can play off them both for pricing and terms.
I agree, I also feel like this is something to let Airbus know that Boeing is still in play.
the best way to deal with it is for OMAAT to start banning certain IP addresses and user names.
did you notice that Delta is only going to put 5 more seats on the MAX10s than on their 737-900ERs?
they are clearly planning to use the better economics to create more space onboard in part by having a higher percentage of seats in Comfort +
It’s basically just one person @Never in Doubt and he’s gay for Tim Dunn, full stop.
Delta has just confirmed that it won maintenance overhaul rights for the LEAP engines which power the MAX. Delta has engine overhaul rights on every engine it has on order from Airbus so this is a big deal in putting Delta on similar footing w/ Airbus and Boeing.
Only a handful of entities worldwide are allowed to service the LEAP engine and Delta is now one of those
Suprising they wouldn't go for the A320neo family or 737 max family as their higher capacity would be better suited for business routes metween metro cities which is their primary focus as a full service carrier
.... another US Airline to avoid when flying or book VERY careful when it comes to an itinerary and book flexible fares 😉
SOME just like to learn the HARD way . . . .?
Must have been a hell of a DEAL, to not order A or A's family planes?
. . . wonder if it's worth it loosing passengers . . . "by "loosing" you can understand that word in any way YOU want!
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BOEING
. . . NO THANK YOU for me!
Except 777 or maybe 747, older 737 . . . anything outside of that range, NO THANK YOU!
"MAX 10 will have 182 seats which is only 5 more than it has on the 737-900ER."
...only 2 more. 180 in the 739ER: 20F, 21Y+, 139Y
""by "loosing" you can understand that word in any way YOU want!"
While it's clear that you're not a native English speaker, I guess it's worth explaining that you meant to write "losing," because "loosing" has a completely irrelevant meaning to the topic of your convo. 😉
French or German customers couldn't care less if their national airlines ordered from Boeing or Airbus, but US customers care. No, it isn't "just" patriotism. American nationalism is fervent, strong, widespread, dangerous, and in essence a civil religion. Delta should order from whoever they like and there should be no political repercussions.
I highly doubt that Delta will be losing any passengers over having the MAX.
Only a small number of passengers know what kind of plane they are flying and most of them are aviation foamers.
Most people only care about who has the lowest fares.
Naw it’s just a little patriotism, not dangerous, nothing wrong with rooting for the home team….talk about hysterics! That being said I’d actually rather be in an airbus.
I agree with you. I flew a Delta 737-900, in first, two days ago and it was the most uncomfortable first class seat I’ve ever been in. When the nice man sitting in front of me fully reclined his seat I couldn’t cross my legs. Getting up to use the lav was an adventure and viewing the video screen was a challenge. I flew on an American 321neo a couple days before and the seat was a lot more comfortable.
I suspect they are not attempting to compete against the two major full service airlines, especially on the premium routes yet. Jet is intending for serving domestic routes with frequent fights. I guess the crew, service and operational costs are disproportionately bigger for the larger aircraft.