A former Delta Air Lines flight attendant is suing the company after she was fired for a cartoon she shared on her Facebook page.
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Bottom line is that her post was factual. Do we need to actually see him wearing a hood to make this less controversial?
If only they took the initiative to investigate the 20 or so odd DL pilots and FAs I know on insta that constantly post Qanon, anti mask, anti vaccine conspiracies in their Instagram profile
The level of harm they cause and how they are getting away is astounding. You would imagine being a pilot would make you intelligent like NASA pilots which is what schools teach you when you were small, but what do you do when even CAE is known to induct barely passed high schoolers into thei cadet programmes of ULCCs
Especially with the fact that Jan 6 happened and the lone assailant who attacked an FBI office yesterday is enough to proof he created a far right cult extremist around himself
I think it's a stretch to say that there is a "big unionization effort at the airline." It's more accurate to say Sara Nelson and The Association of Flight Attendants-CWA have repeatedly tried to unionize Delta FAs. Delta FAs receive profit share (in 2019 it was record setting), pay during boarding (something the union has used as a rallying cry for years despite never getting it for their members), and generally seem to enjoy their job (looking at you AA and UA).
I hope Delta gets their union contract done with their pilots ASAP, which seems to be coming down to the need to hire more pilots (a plight across all US airlines). They're already among the best compensated in the industry. It's not the Delta way to have these family disputes in the public eye.
I did not know that President Trump has been seen wearing a KKK hood (which is NOT an approved Covid-19 mask, btw, which is what the moderator is shown to be thanking). So how is this factual? From the article, it also appears that the person who got fired by Delta was also responsible for the firing of another employee due to a similar post. Standards should be applied equally, or do they only apply in one direction?
in your reality it's factual. In half of America's and my own, it's not. The left is so hateful and will do anything to character assassinate.
I did not know that President Trump has been seen wearing a KKK hood (which is NOT an approved Covid-19 mask, btw, which is what the moderator is shown to be thanking). So how is this factual? From the article, it also appears that the person who got fired by Delta was also responsible for the firing of another employee due to a similar post. Standards should be applied equally, or do they only apply in one direction? Also, considering that Trump's pre-covid economic liberation policies led to the lowest black unemployment in recorded history, seem to me that he is the worst.racist.ever. Finally, since KKK hated jews as much as blacks would seem to discredit any KKK affiliation buy Trump due to his close Jewish family ties (via his daughter and grandchildren). So I am really not sure how this reflects any sort of "reality".
Political views have no place in the workplace. Same if it has been a similar meme for Biden. You're there to do a job.
Looks like a hate crime to me and she should be locked in solitary for something much worse than anyone did on 6 January.
Ernesto:
Completely 100% agree with you. Liberals have no argument, so they have to resort to name calling and character assassination.
This post has everything one needs to drive "engagement". "Fired", KKK and Trump in the headline. It's got unions, race, masks...
But it's not an aviation story. the exact same story could run about coca Cola or Con-Agra. Has Zero to do with Points, Miles, flying, aircraft...
This is the kind of post a guy posts when he isn't getting enough sleep for some reason.
Or perhaps literal assassination as in that whacko who was going after Kavanagh. Oops, that's just more disinformation in the minds of the twisted left. Probably planted by Putin.
But the post was on her personal facebook page... how is that 'in the workplace?'
I don't think a decision to be terminated should be based on whether these type of postings are pro or anti Republican (Trump) or Democrat. That type of argumentation is just silly. Delta needs to be consistent here regardless of one's political perspective, and they apparently are. I don't think the Company has a reputation to just randomly fire flight attendants. Had they been doing that, flight attendants would have already unionized.
David and Ernesto, please give us liberals your “enlightening arguments” as to how trump didn’t create a fanatic cult following full of nut jobs and extremist around him?
It can easily extend into the workplace, just like social media postings can extend into school settings. I don't agree with her firing, but if one makes statements that others one works with or attends school with can see, they can easily enter those settings.
What is not known (at least in this article) is whether the terminated FA had ever identified herself as a Delta employee. If she had, she does subject herself to Delta's rules.
If she had never identified as a DL employee in the channel in which she posted her comments, then she needs to push the case all the way to court and not settle for anything less than the full amount of her future career earnings and pension. Cases like this need to clearly establish - all the way to the Supreme Court - that individual Americans acting on their own and without identity to any organization - are free to speak anything they want as long as that is legal. Hateful speech is legal and we hear the same thing out of all kinds of politicians on both sides of the aisle.
Companies absolutely have the right to dictate the image of the company their employees convey but they do not have the right to dictate speech if that employee acts on its own; the same principle must be true for any other social or religious organization.
The fact that WN settled for multi-millions of dollars with the conservative FA who was wrongfully terminated and the union accomplished absolutely nothing proves that unions are not of help; the legal system is where she found relief.
@david and @ernesto...Because it's liberals who are embracing racist, anti-immigrant, anti-trans, or anti-anyone who isn't Christian rhetoric, right? Because it's liberals who attacked the Capital, right? Because it's liberals who always put our economy in the gutter with their tax cuts for the rich and for corporations, right? Because it's liberals whose administration lied to the American people about the severity of COVID, right? Because it's liberals who created the racist "welfare queen" trope and continue to embrace it, even though more white folks use it than any other group, right? Because it's liberals who are embracing white nationalism, right? Because it's liberals who are talking about destroying our democracy, right?
Come on...
Agreed but no one is getting fired for sharing a cartoon of Trump getting beheaded. I believe that the fact thats its ok to share far left facebook memes/cartoons only furthers people sharing far right memes. This leads to more issues and a dumber society as a whole. I wouldnt fire anyone for this but i would also never hire anyone who posts political things like this regardless of what side they are on anyone who gets political on facebook is a potential liability that can be avoided.
Great news Ben and Ford are starting a family!! Bad news we are going to see a whole lot more political posts like this because it gets the clicks and having a newborn means less travel and reviews : (
People should check President Trump's support and work for African-Americans compared to President Obama. There should have been praise for him rather then ridicule
Wow, talk about stereotyping with a broad brush... Because it's conservatives that are involved in "mostly peaceful protests" that cause billions of dollars in damage, spew anti-semitic memes/language, supported BLM corruption, threatened or attacked Supreme Court in pro-abortion violent protests at pregnancy centers (last I checked this co-equal branch to Legislative or Executive branches which were involved in Capitol rioting), LGBT extremism/grooming and loss of parental rights in schools/medicine (can't give out an aspiring without parental permission, but feel free to get puberty blockers behind your parents back, etc., but to me these appear to be handled differently in the media and justice system.
I am politically unaffiliated, and being a legal immigrant from a country that has seen both sides of these political extremes (and how they seem to be handled unevenly in this country) may give me a bit of different perspective on these issues than the typical commenter here.
Regardless of the merits of her case, I’m always amazed that people continue to get burned by their social media postings. If you value your livelihood, better think twice before posting controversial stuff.
@Bricktop - yup, that person was a whacko and should be punished. But citing one individual doesn't prove your point. Nor does ignoring the rule of law, which the Right seems wont to do more and more.
If Delta and FAs are not aviation related, what else is, besides airplanes and airports? Americans love to lecture each other and the world about freedom and civil rights, but they are clueless how and when it is appropriate to exercise it. Just because it is legal does not mean you are freely to flaunt and abuse it. We always should put society interests above personal gratification for the good of the country. We must be mindful of the consequences of our acts and lyrics before anything else. If your action outside work may blemish the company's reputation, then the company has every right to defend and protect it by severing its work relations with you. Many guys who participated in the insurrection were fired by their employers once it got their attention. Lastly, remember Kathy Griffin lost her gig on CNN's NY Eve with Anderson Cooper for displaying a drawing of Trump's decapitated head. Can we stop slapping labels on each other on every topic we engage in?
Racial discrimination? Lol, they probably thought harder about firing her strictly because she’s black. The post is in very poor taste.
True. No more hotel, flight, and lounge reviews for the time being... Just credit card articles and political posts, along with the travel news articles that are seen everywhere. 🙁
You make several errors of logic. It's not about "slapping labels" on every topic, it's about considered evaluation of protected rights. In America we have INDIVIDUAL rights for well established reasons, and we don't enforce conformity for the sake of conformity; that goes against both our culture and rule of law. If we follow your "logic" to the end, we might as well scrap the US Constitution, and you suggest adding to the harm by prioritizing corporate rights (which doesn't exist in the Constitution) over individual rights (as protected by our Bill of Rights. And to compare violent insurrections or a publicity stunt on national TV to an individual social media post (it's not like she made a PA on the airplane) demonstrates absurd thinking.
A story about Delta Air Lines firing a Flight Attendant is not aviation related? I think you're the one needing a nap...
It's just as factual as if Biden was wearing the hood. Remember; Jim
Crow and the KKK were Democrat ideas. Republicans freed the slaves and still tries to get every slave out of poverty into the workplace where they can achieve the American dream. (Not dependency on big government providing the goodies and handouts!)
Rent subsidies, free phones, food stamps, "free" healthcare, abortion on demand, welfare payments unless you marry or work too much......
@Ernesto - Yep. No homophobia, anti-Blackness, or false information in your reply AT ALL!
Thanks for proving my point.
Well, I'm pretty sure that Kathy Griffin would disagree with you...she paid a huge price for that. Regardless, I agree with you to a point - there's a ton of false equivalence thrown around that is just dangerous. For example: a political cartoon basically calling Trump a racist - when there is a history of racial discrimination cases against him; when his own words about certain immigrant populations are in the public; when he has embraced white supremacists (Sheriff Arapaio; the Charlottesville "protesters"; Victor Orban; Putin; etc...,) - is a bit different than memes calling for the execution of The Squad; calling for any number of Democratic Secretaries of State to be hung; etc..,. The threats of violence coming from the Right is not equivalent to that which exists on the Left. These false equivalences pop up everywhere, and pretending that "both sides are just as bad" ignores a plethora of things (like racism, homophobia, xenophobia, election denialism, ignoring the rule of law) that, if we continue to ignore, will lead to the end of democracy in the USA.
Excellent commentary Tim. While I don’t agree with her she has the right to voice her opinion as long as there is no connection in her FB profile or post to Delta
Funny Eve how you only mention those pilots and FA who are posting right-leaning views. Liberals such as yourself always seem to forget the big picture and leave out details that don’t support their causes.
There she goes again. A lone assailants statement and or action is evidence enough for you to assassinate the character of the former POTUS.
I thought Ernesto did an excellent point of refuting your and Eves liberal MSNBC dialogue! Of course that resulted in him being labeled by you as is par for course by Libs.
Did he, @CMorgan?
I don't see anything factual in his response. Because, according to the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) - a non-governmental non-profit organization that has been tracking incidents of conflict around the world since at least 2014 - over 93% of the nearly 7,500 BLM protests in this country have been peaceful, and those that have not were often a result of white supremacy groups like the Boogaloo Bois and 3%ers starting s***. So, no, not there. And the LGBTQ+ Community is seeking to groom children and take away parental rights? Right, because gay and trans folks have been proven to be doing this, right? Alllll the evidence mounting there, right? One doesn't have to watch MSNBC to know a homophobe or racist when one sees, hears, or reads one. But please, keep all the false equivalences coming!
No, Guest, it isn't "just as factual" because Biden hasn't courted white supremacists and racists.
Regardless of political affiliation, freedom of speech outside of the direct employment context should trump (no pun intended) all, even though I realize there is no constitutional issue here as there is no state actor. This cuts across the spectrum. Don't forget the WN FA who won a very large judgment at trial for a decidedly anti-abortion post, although as a federal trial (plaintiffs') attorney who read the pleadings in that case online at PACER.gov I question whether that verdict will hold up on appeal.
Hate to say it, but black unemployment under Trump was lowest in 49 years. Facts are difficult things I know....
Let the kid grow up. They’ll do another Miles update when he turns 5 years old. Respect their privacy.
CMorgan, if you think positing anti vaccine conspiracies (which can cost lives and did cost the death of tens of thousands of Americans) and Qanon stuff is OK (which has resulted in many mass shootings including Christchurch, the recent mass shooting at Buffalo and many other white supremacists attacks inside US itself) then I am sorry, because something is SERIOUSLY WRONG with YOUR HEAD!
Dear Esnesto and David, if your “enlightening” argument is to counter with a response that is full of conspiracy theories and homophobic-racist contents, then your argument is pretty much like a Nazi trying to justify murdering 10 million Jews.
Sorry but nobody with a brain cell can take you seriously
I guess she should have been more careful.....but, the item she posted looks accurate to me. Social media stuff can get a lot of employees in hot water. Maybe she will prevail in her case. I hope so.
If Eve had talked about positions on taxes, healthcare, or even abortion, your point would be valid.
Even on masks and vaccines it is possible to understand the facts and have a minority opinion on policies.
But Qanon? That's not a political viewpoint, it's pure make-believe.
It has just as much basis as the rumour that perhaps the Democrats should start, that many senior Republicans kill kittens on Sunday mornings and eat them for brunch.
Completely agree.
Not least because does that mean that a City taken over by Republicans or a State taken over by Democrats can stifle freedom of expression of the public employees?
But American corporations often seem to think they own their employees rather than contracting with them for x hours work per week.
Well done Delta. I support this hateful conduct by either side. Freedom of speak is against the government. Private employers can stop this nonsense and poor behavior and should follow Delta's lead.
Delta must immediately reinstate this flight attendant with back pay. I also want to know whether Delta supports Trump and his efforts to undermine democracy. If so, we must not fly Delta.
"Freedom of speak (sic) is against the government". Did you ever take a civics lesson (or grammar lesson) in high school?
But maybe you are promoting a different government that doesn't support civil liberties???
The most cynical and unfair comment on this post (which is saying a lot).
So new parents are incapable of doing their jobs/fulfilling commitments? Your lack of logic would apply this to all industries and professions?? Absurd.
But yes, agreed, glad the guys are celebrating a new family, and let's let them enjoy the joy experience without jaundiced views.
Agreed, great comment. Many people don't realize that hateful, racist, false, foul, etc speech is protected in US. We should all be very suspicious of corporations claiming the mantle of morality. Alex Berenson (former NYT writer) just released internal Twitter comms with White House admin to have him banned. These corporations are sometimes, in effect, state actors which makes them open to 1st Amendment. Even contra messages about covid treatments are protected. Delta better watch this crap they are pulling. I don't agree with the FA but she can post nonsense all day long as a private citizen and Delta should eff off.
If it's legal then it cannot be abused. Bill of Rights freedoms in US are innate and we are are free to exercise them with abandon. That's what makes us a truly different and great nation.
As my Grandma would say..what’s good for the goose is good hit the gander.
Works both ways Darlin’
@ CMorgan
"The lawsuit alleged that another Delta employee, who is white, had not been terminated for her political posts on social media."
If you believe that, then you should be concerned about the alleged inconsistent treatment of employees by Delta.
@ Widerightv
The Donald Duckling also supported the Proud Boys publicly around the time that cartoon was published.
We know that bird brain is incipiently racist and anti science on matters COBID - so it seems that the cartoon is nothing but a penetrating depiction of the sad truth of matters.
@ Donna
Maybe - but we're taking about a posting a cartoon that had already been publicly published in a newspaper.
@ CMorgan
The Donald Duckling has and continues to do an excellent job at demonstrating his lack of character.
It is beyond comprehension that any rational person would continue defend such.
Only in America....so sad...
@ Steve
But she shared a cartoon, which had already been published by a newspaper!
@ Ernesto
Not politically affiliated. Are you joking?
You exhibit all of the symptoms of right wing delusion, the dog whistle politics (claiming Black Lives Matter is corrupt rather than seeking inclusion and non discrimination ), the reversal of abuser and abused (Supreme Court under attack whilst it strips a woman's access to abortion and now seeking to undermine access to contraception and same-sex marriage, rather than seeking preservation of individual rights), anti-gay incitement (implying gay people are sexual abusers, rather than being inclusive), blaming the left for lack of access to medicines (whilst decrying universal health care and the science and suffering over one million American dead from COVID rather than advocating equality of access to health care), making excuses for incitement for murderous riots at the nation's parliament (fake claims about the perpetrators despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), attacking those who are different to you (trans gender aspirants because somebody god delusion said say, rather than celebrating human diversity)....etc...etc
Sorry mate, in my book that makes you (1) a sad and deluded person and (2) aligned with the right wing in its psychotic glory.
@ CMorgan
Yes, Ernesto did great job at demonstrating what is foul about your right wing politics in the USA - its incipient racism, its divisiveness, its lies, its failure to champion the individual, its appallingly denial of science, its intent on suppressing diversity, its denial of access to health care, its denial of the insurrection it invoked, its refusal to respect democratic process, its refusal to accept the rule of law applying to its own, its pandering to the basest and vilest instincts of people too weak to think for themselves.
what a sad bunch off f--kwits you are
now go clean your gun mate, the USA is so uncivilised and the murder rate so high you might need it, right?
@ Ernesto
The point not made clear by the article is that:
"The lawsuit alleged that another Delta employee, who is white, had not been terminated for her political posts on social media."
In other words, the supposed "rule" were (allegedly) not applied consistently.
@ Guest
The problem is that the Donald Duckling has a bad record when it comes to inciting division, that at the time of the debate depicted in the cartoon, the orange fluff had articulated support for the Proud Boys. It's to the utter shame of the GOP that they support such.
Other countries manage to function very effectively with equality of access to health care and education.
The former is a hallmark of a mature and civilised nation and the latter a route for those from impoverished and underprivileged backgrounds to attain success through a solid education.
Of course, there is no place for such basic considerations in an utterly selfish society, that of your American right wing. The country's failure at resolving poverty and societal inequity thereby remain quagmired in great right wing lie of being champion's of individual opportunity, when actually you are failing dismally to mature as a nation.
@ David
No, David, the Orange Fluffball cannot claim honours for COVID vaccines.
For starters, Pfizer did not receive cash to develop its vaccine (although it was party to an agreement to buy so many doses if and when such vaccine was successfully developed).
Secondly, many vaccines around the world have been developed in response to the COVID pandemic, including that of Astra Zeneca, used in the UK and certain other countries.
Governments around the world made deals to buy vaccines.
The t*RUMP property was raided to seek the return of government documents, which had allegedly been taken illegally (i.e. stolen - they do not being to the Orange Fluff.
It has been reported that the government had repeatedly sought the return of such documents through the usual legal channels. When the documents weren't returned after several such attempts the raid became a necessary step.
The raid was sanctioned by the judiciary following due process. That should be your clue that (1) those documents are of national importance (2) due democratic / legal process is being carefully followed and (3) the problem lies with your lying hero, who may yet be proven to have behaved illegally.
Of course, you are so brainwashed you get the story all twisted up. Somehow a citizen (who happens to be a former president) allegedly is in possession of documents he has stolen, which are of great national importance.
And by the way, if American society was not profoundly racist and discriminatory, there wouldn't need to be a BLM movement in the first place fora major grouping in society who only got to vote a few decades ago.
As for COVID - whatever the history of the matter, the USA failed spectacularly to the tune of over one million dead Americans - and that, buddy, was on the watch of one dithering and incompetent administration.
@ Morgan
"The lawsuit alleged that another Delta employee, who is white, had not been terminated for her political posts on social media."
Clearly Ms Taylor learned the right to free speech does have practical limits in the world. She may possess w/e her thoughts, where she would not demand a company act against a person with a picture/words against obamas? biden? So here for her, fine for me a carve out, but not for thee. If there are consequences from her lawsuit, she'll accept them?
Employees are also citizens. Citizens have First Amendment protection. That F/A should be free to speak her mind - especially if it does not involve the airline. Delta is WAY out of line here.
Well done Delta for using the same standards for whites and blacks. Ironic that the girl who instigated getting one flight attendant fired was just as guilty of the same offense. As the saying goes, “People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”.
Well done Delta for using the same standards for whites and blacks. Ironic that the girl who instigated getting one flight attendant fired was just as guilty of the same offense. As the saying goes, “People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”.