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Norwegian Returns Heathrow Lottery Slots To Airport

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In early December 2019 I wrote about a development for Norwegian that seemed like a great opportunity on the surface, but not really. Heathrow is one of the most slot restricted airports in the world. That means that in order to fly to the airport, airlines have to get "slots," and those can be purchased…

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(@Daniel)
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So how do they give out these slots now?


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(@nk146)
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Would they have been able to sell them?


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 JB
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I could've seen then fly to Orlando from Heathrow since there are up to 7 daily flights to MCO from Gatwick during peak dates. 3 of those are from Virgin on 747's and 2 on BA 777's with 1/2 on Norwegian. If they operated a 3x weekly flight out of Heathrow, they would have an advantage over other airlines since no other airline currently flies between these two airports.


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(@grichard)
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How long would they have had to fly them before they were allowed to sell them? I wonder what the cost comparison vs. just surrendering them looked like.


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 Paul
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Perhaps a LHR-JFK flight?


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(@Whiskarina)
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How about a LHR - BOS flight?


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(@Sunny leveson-jones)
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@neil they have to fly the slots for 18 months or two years before they can sell them and the losses from that are likely more expensive than what the slots are worth


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(@Christian)
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There are three possibilities for Norwegian regarding its future with the MAX. When (if) the aircraft comes back online, I could see them do one of the following:
1. Restart some of the routes they had to drop
2. Sell most of their 737NGs in favor of the MAX
3. Sell their MAXes and keep the NGs

IMHO, option 3 is most likely


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(@Unnayan Jain)
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I think these are the slots for the upcoming three weekly AI BOM LHR flights


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(@No Name)
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@Christian

And you would be wrong.

Norwegian is already in effect doing option 2 with sale and lease back.

Due to the difference in operating costs between the NG and the MAX, at anything more than 7-8 hours flying in a day on average the MAX pays for it self in saved fuel costs.

From what I have heard Euro LCC's is in the region of at least 10-12 hours flying per air frame daily.


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 Neil
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The slot allocation process is not a lottery - certainly not in the sense of some kind of random selection.
The whole process is governed by IATA guidelines, which are then implemented under an EU regulation:- EU Slot Regulation 95/93 (and yes the EU regulation still applies in the UK until the end of 2020 at least).
There are a whole string of factors that are taken into account, which can be modified by local circumstances, but the slot allocation body (in the case of LHR a group called ACL) has to be able to justify it's decisions. Although ACL is a company, because it is carrying out a quasi-governmental role, all its decisions are subject to judicial review if challenged.
The relevant guidelines and regulations, along with details of ACL allocations are available online if you really want to be bored.


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(@Matthias)
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Are they able to sell them? Are there not any penalty for taking part in the lottery, and then "naah, we don't want them"?


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(@charlie whetren)
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I mean like Norwegian should of kept those slots as they could to lhr-jfk or nnw and get british airways under presure


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(@Speedbird)
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It perplexes me that there aren't more VLA in service when so many airport slots are so restricted.


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(@Noel Symonds)
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I hope Norwegian goes bust. There a horrid airline who nickle and dime as many passengers as they can.


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(@Etoile)
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I remember the day Virgin finally got their LHR slots after years of flying from Gatwick. They took out full page adverts saying ' You no longer have to pay a King's ransom to fly from Heathrow'

John King (later Lord King) was the Chairman of British Airways 🙂


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(@JAY VARGAS)
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LHR - JFK? 3X a week vs AA/BA, DL/VS? Suicide.
Also realize their "focus" on profitability is not some well thought out business plan; it's a fight for survival. They basically ran out of cash and had to renegotiate with debt/share holders. Throw in the RR engines, MAX grounding and these guys are walking a tightrope without a net.


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