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Boeing 737 MAX Has New Production Defect, Delaying Deliveries

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A new Boeing 737 MAX production defect has just been discovered. The most concerning part? It has been going on for up to four years, and apparently no one noticed…

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 KCW
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I wonder what this means for Virgin Australia’s delivery? They are meant to receive their first MAX in the coming months in order to fulfil their slot obligations for HND, with delivery pushing close to their deadline for using the slot. If their delivery is delayed would this mean they lose their HND slot?


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(@vlcnc)
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Things are clearly not ok at Boeing, and they need to be investigated and sanctioned. This is not a small company, it is literally one of two manufacturers in the world in a duopoly which means it has major ramifications for the safety of people travelling on its aircraft. They've already been found out to have gross negligence in terms of safety and there have been several fatal crashes with hundreds losing their lives. I personally don't feel particularly safe flying their aircraft atm and particularly the 737. It also feels like the US government is also involved in covering up and not maintaining standards in an effort of protectionism, because they see it as such an important company even as it is safety risk.


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(@Stuart)
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How long did the Govt spend inspecting the 737Max prior to signing off on them again? Supposedly making it now the most scrutinized and inspected plane in history? And yet, still, no one discovered this until now?

So, I wonder, what were they doing for two years? The blundering of Boeing and safety inspectors regarding the MAX is truly frightening.


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(@Patrick)
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@vlcnc - I believe it was 2 fatal crashes. Not "several". But yes, hundreds died.


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Diamond
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Doesn’t Boeing’s new business model require two crashes killing hundreds before they address manufacturing defects?


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 Grey
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How many people have made the argument that the 737 Max would be safest ever plane because of all of the massive scrutiny they faced...
Seems clear nothing has changed at Boeing or for US government. Just collect the salaries and bonuses today and cross your fingers that the next crash is after they have moved to a new company.


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(@Eskimo)
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Nope, their business model always involves death. Boeing's Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb can precisely crash in a 3 ft. area from 90 miles away, and probably killed thousands in Ukraine already.

Their flagship WMD, the Minuteman ICBM. Capable of 60x-70x Hiroshima from 6000 miles away in 30 mins. Who cares about accuracy, with 400 of these we can wipe out a whole continent killing few billions.

So 737MAX death is really no big deal for Boeing as a death dealer.


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Yet another reason to avoid ALL Boeing aircraft whenever possible.


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Diamond
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Boeing is the example par excellence of late-stage Capitalism run amok.

Until and through the '90s, the company was an engineering icon. Who here hasn't heard the annoying "if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going" mantra, which honestly was well-earned at the time.

But post the '97 MDC merger, some of the worst managerial actions began to spell the current situation:

First, and most devastatingly, they separated management from engineering with "The Chicago Move." That right there, is the genesis of just about everything that we're seeing.

Afterwords, they gradually shifted from producer to overseer, using as many outsourced minimum-bid components and labor as possible. Toss in a lil' union busting back in Washington state, while we're at it.

Most recently, they've completed the evolution from engineering firm to lobbying-arm by moving from Chicago to the D.C. area. And all the while, in all of this, worrying far more about the current share price (what else is your C-suite bonus gonna be based on) than anything to do with product or output.

And thus you have the Boeing of 2023.
Boeing of 1996 wouldn't even recognize her.


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 Pete
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Immediate Airworthiness Directive to ground all the ships effected so the problem can be rectified before there's another avoidable disaster.

Yes airlines, it will be very expensive and inconvenient. You shoulda thought about that before you bought/leased this proven dog of an aircraft instead of the A320 family.


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 Pete
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Just the cost of doing business.


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(@ChadMC)
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This flawed design should have never been made. It will forever be plagued with issues. This is just the latest.


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(@shutterbug)
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Until the first Boeing managers actually are sentenced to do time nothing will change.


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(@Frednyon)
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We feel so much safer to fly the Max, now that
1- the FAA indicates they are satisfied with Boeing answers on this fuselage issue
2- the involved subcontractor indicates that these fuselage issues actually date back to 2019.
It seems that history is repeating itself. Noone is actually responsible for the future disasters. As always. Airlines who knowingly continue to buy/lease these aircrafts should be held responsible by their shareholders.
The FAA lack of credibility is once again blatant.


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(@Marco)
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Your article was mentioned in this video at the 1:05 mark..

https://youtu.be/V3qnEKV51bM


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Diamond
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It's amazing how the Boeing Haters crawl out of the woodwork at every opportunity.

The sub contractor discovered that THEIR manufacturing process did not meet FAA and Boeing's requirements and informed Boeing who did the right thing and informed the FAA. OPEN and TRANSPARENT.

You've never heard of any Airbus problems. Do you actually think that they never had any? Mysterious crashes in the early days of fly-by-wire blamed on "pilot error"? CG problems with some A320 models that required modified seating plans. (It it even fixed?) What else have you not heard about?


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 Josh
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I wouldn't put my ex on a 737 MAX! What a MAJOR POS by a SCAM ARTIST big company who's only goal is to enrich the top 1% of the Boeing company! Wish they would go out of business over this FIASCO!


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(@Azzam)
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Another regulatory body may be required to assess how the FAA audits airplane manufacturers.


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(@FlyerDon)
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This sounds like a job for SUPER MCAS!


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 KCW
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