We’ll have to mark this as ”developing” for now, but this potentially has major implications for award travel on American, especially if booking through a partner program, like Alaska Atmos Rewards or British Airways Club.
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Agreed, this is a big deal for my family as well, as most all of our travel out of DCA is booked on AA using Atmos points. And agreed as well - why is Ben using Expert Flyer when we now have Points Yeah and Award Tool available? I.e. - flying from DCA-MIA, just put in an alert for nonstop flights at 7,500 miles - so much easier 🙂
I was never even able to understand how to use EF, lol. I do use seats.aero though.
I used to pay for Expert Flyer but found it just didn’t feature enough of the non-US carriers I wanted to search on. I messaged the company who said they had zero plans to do so….cancelled my subscription based on that response.
It's interesting. I wrote about this yesterday on FT in the AA forum focusing in on the transcons. That hasn't been a hot topic - and based upon the comments here regarding EF I guess folks are just using PointsYeah/etc as gospel...but if you look for space enough - you'll recognize their searches aren't always comprehensive as they sometimes bypass or more likely don't successfully connect to certain programs consistently - EF is more comprehensive in that regard.
I would disagree with Ben regarding there being no harm to Aadvantage users. Staying with the nonstop transcons, which is where I noticed this, AA have seemingly done two things: 1) Raised the floor on Business class nonstops close in to 51K a seat vs. the former ~33K they used to charge and 2) Increased F class seats from ~51K to a minimum of 63K.
This sounds like it would also screw somebody using AA points to book a JAL international itinerary with a domestic AA leg on the same ticket? Clarifying because I was thinking of booking a ski trip this way next year.
Of course. Comparing Expertflyer with seats.aero is like comparing a Phillips screwdriver with a spatula.
Would be great if @Ben could write about how to actually figure out whether Atmos space is real or phantom without clicking all the way through the booking process only to catch an error on the last step. Or do you have any suggestions?
A little bit more info here on the ns transcon awards. It seems for awards less than 6 days in AA is charging 4k to 5k more for J and F awards than those (you can find) more than 6 days out. Seems they are trying to follow the model I believe United uses on close in flights.
I use it and love it. I can set alerts for specific flights that can be booked on Alaska.
I do find that there have been some changes maybe in the last week or so, but this is always a bit of a game. I also wonder if the specific close-in changes right at this time are part of the typical AA Holiday Embargo for memorial day weekend.
Off topic: The old Delta lounge at LAX T2 will be converted into an additional Delta One Lounge. No timeline disclosed.
This will impact those trying to use AA transatlantic awards in conjunction with a shorthaul BA leg as well (something I do frequently). While BA makes a good amount of saver business awards available close in on shorthaul flights, AA must have U open in order to combine (and therefore dramatically reduce the cash fee for the award vs. flying BA on the overwater leg).
@ Lee -- Any further details you could provide or link you could point me toward? Thanks! 🙂
Maybe it's World Cup related - that's doing a number on pricing algorithms as a cluster of hard to model events
Yeah, those algorithms are likely surprised that no one is coming to America for the World Cup. What a surprise.
It's not, Ben. It's just going to be added as additional regular Sky Club space.
As for source, Joe Esposito did an interview with Business Traveler recently on this topic.
I hate calling in as well but when that happens to me repeatedly, usually the Alaska desk can book the ticket
Thats ok.....most of the WC participants are sh*thole countries whose fans we don't want in America anyways, even temporarily.
Looks like it’s more than that. Seems like only one day in the next 365 (July 4) that AS has access to J in LAX-JFK.
"...whose fans we don't want in America anyways, even temporarily."
"We" = "you"
Because you're a racist RWNJ.
I hope it's temporary. AA last minute has been my primary method of redeeming Alaska points over the last 2 years- I usually have 5 to 10 AA flights booked through Alaska last minute per month. This would be a significant loss.
There's lots of info in the Delta One LAX lounge thread on FlyerTalk about this. Several members have reported talking to lounge managers who have said T2 D1 lounge is opening, likely this summer.
This should surprise no one. The Alaska awards on AA nonstops thing has been one of those too-good-to-last things. I never understood why this was ever even a thing. WIth this on the way out, Alaska miles inch closer to the bottom of the barrel.
I was about to comment letting ben know that sears.aero can do almost exactly the same thing as EF by setting up alerts for specific fareclasses, seats, flights, etc. The CEO of seats.aero now is actually the co-founder of ExpertFlyer so lots of synergies although they are unique enterprises as I believe expert flyer was sold off to Red Ventures and they dont really maintain it anymore.
If you're booking with AS miles, can't you just skiplag? A short -- even midrange -- connector should expose the saver space and won't raise the points required for the flight.
Good? Look, if you're going to run a loyalty program that's as successful as AAdvantage (you know, the successful part of AA), make it work for the members of that loyalty program. They should do the following:
1) Cardholder 10% discount for redemptions (UA and DL do this)
2) Status % discount for redemptions (UA does this - perhaps tiered by status level up to an extra 10%).
3) CK/EP priority access to saver awards (FlyingBlue Platinum innovation...)
4) CK/EP or Executive Card exclusive access to awards for the first week (apparently Hyatt does this...)
5) Plat/Gold or Globe Card exclusive access to awards in the second week
I've never used AS miles on nonstop AA and it's still one of my top 3 programs. Plenty of other uses esp as programs race to the bottom in award availability and pricing.
I don't have the time in the day to go into how complicated booking American awards has become
But their awards with high unsold inventory are priced like delta plus ####
Even united who is typically higher award pricing has 80k and 100k in polaris from Europe and Australia.I'm all in
There seems to be collusion with Fiji now too remember the 55k business class awards to and from Sydney they price fixed them at approx 268 to 350 ish each way unless desperate and then may drop it down to 80K.And dont get me started on the married segments situation.Fascinating if it wasn't so complicated and sad
Then when they don't sell these rip off awards just weeks days before the flight departs they drop it down to 80 to 120k what it should have been all along out of season.I started flying United which was unthinkable just a year or two ago when I said never
Its no secret INT travel from abroad is down 20 to 25%
Why do some folks now hate our country,refuse to travel here with the greatest adm ever? Yet the airlines typically artificially try to gouge on all ends even with many empty seats
Exactly. AA has decimated transcon space. Every saver option routes me from LAX through airports like OKC with a 12 hour layover. They don't "devalue" but they make their own points so undesirable to use.
This is also a problem for using AA miles to book partner award flights with a connection to AA (for example, MCO-DFW-HND) since those require the U/T fare buckets.
I've got several AA award flights booked over the next 9 months (Hawaii, Caribbean, domestic) and most of them have come way down in prices. Rebooked for miles credited back to my account. I wonder if people are cutting back on travel.
They aren’t being released so even if you find a JAL J seat, no saver award yo get you yo the gateway.
Can someone either explain how to use or direct me to a link that shows how to use expert flyer or points yeah to set the alerts to find seats in the class available to be able to use Atmos points on AA flights?
Ben - any thoughts on how this could affect upgrades for AA elites (if at all)? Thanks!