Yesterday I posted about how American would no longer be providing charter service to six NFL teams for the 2017 season. Those teams included the Arizona Cardinals, Baltimore Ravens, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Miami Dolphins, and Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Another consideration -- often times these planes have different seat configurations that are only used for charters (seats facing each other around a table, etc) so I'm sure it wouldn't make much financial sense to re-configure them to put them back in regular service.
Here's my theory: Delta got the NBA to buy 11 older 757s and then operates them on behalf of the league. Delta is about to retire a bunch of 767s — wouldn't it be nice if it could get the NFL to buy them and then have Delta operate them on their behalf. American could be making a similar move.
(Backstory on the NBA deal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-06/nba-players-get-roomier-chartered-jets-as-delta-air-adds-teams)
@Alvin - not really. I come here for miles & points information and trip reviews. If I wanted to know about why airlines arent doing charters anymore I'd simply ask my friends in network planning at the various airlines.
Haven't there also been a number of stories where NFL teams have damaged the interiors of aircraft after losing big games. This would likely take the aircraft out of service far longer than the duration of the charters. Perhaps the airlines have finally said it is no longer worth it.
I find it interesting. Better than pushing credit cards. Not everyone has friends in network planning like you Jason.
Maybe the NY Giants destroying a plane on a charter flight last season was more the normal than people thought. Maybe those occurrences happen more than is publicized.
Virgin Atlantic has historically done the charters for the London trips (and did so in 2016).
Is this an issue, yes but a big issue, no. All it takes is money to solve the problem and the NFL has gobs of it. An interesting idea I heard yesterday was the NFL basically starting an airline by buying planes and then contracting with Delta or another airline to provide staffing. With current plethora of games spread throughout the week and number of teams that don't need to fly to some away games (jets/Pats, skins/eagles/Giants etc..) you would not need a huge fleet. Advantage to NFL owning planes would be that you would only need about one plane for every three teams versus each team having their own plane.
A big advantage of chartering is that Delta builds in the redundancy in case a plane goes tech. That is impossible to replicate since very few complain/people own a a large fleet of. Widebody aircraft.
Interesting to see how this plays out. Either NFL forks over a ton of cash to airlines or starts buying airplanes.
Leave, troll. Plenty of people find it interesting. "Who cares" that you don't care? Nobody. Go hang out with your network planning friends instead of wasting our time with your inane comments.
The Raiders used Hawaiian last year. I saw a Hawaiian A330 on the ground in Tampa and couldn't figure out what it would be doing there. Then I saw the Raiders logo on the front of the aircraft. They were in town to play the Bucs.
I think its interesting that the main theory is that the airlines raised their charter rates. Perhaps the league LOWERED the rate they were willing to pay. Fun to watch what happens when a monopoly and an oligopoly tussle. That being said, I like the theory put out by @Dan and @jkealing regarding ownership and operations.
You are missing the airline that flies the best team in NFL. Yes, JetBlue is the airline of the New England Patriots. Go Patriots!!!!! 🙂 BTW, they don't just charter a plane to them. They are partners. That is what the other airlines are missing. If you do some research, JetBlue has committed to New England and they sponsor and fly the Boston Red Sox, New England Patriots, Boston Celtics, the Boston Bruins, They have multi year agreements with all these teams instead of just chartering them a plane. That is called innovation when the legacy airlines have no clue what they are doing. BTW, I may be wrong but I don't think JetBlue has widebody planes so if they can do this other airlines should be able to do as well.
Santastico -- It seems that although JetBlue is the official airline of the Patriots, they actually fly on a Delta charter.
"Delta Air Lines will fly both the Atlanta Falcons and the New England Patriots to the Super Bowl, after flying the two teams as their chartered carrier all season."
http://airport.blog.ajc.com/2017/01/24/delta-flying-falcons-patriots-to-super-bowl/
JetBlue is the official airline of the Patriots but also several NY teams. However, they don't fly any of them. Look at flyertalk or any of the info in the article. JetBlue doesn't do sports charters. You could not fit the new England Patriots on an a320 with staff, gear and traveling party.
Yes, Oakland does use Hawaiian. There might be 1 or 2 games through the season where Hawaiian is not utilized.
Santastico -- JetBlue is the official airline sponsor of the Pats, but the Pats use Delta for their charters.
@Travis: That is interesting. Here is the official press release from JetBlue about their partnership. http://blueir.investproductions.com/investor-relations/press-releases/2015/09-08-2015-014725186
I cannot understand how they are the official airline of all New England teams if they don't fly them.
I'd be really interested in how chartering works for other sports teams, ice hockey, basketball and baseball primarily. With the much higher number of games all over the country/continent I wonder if teams own planes or charter etc...
I accidentally clicked onto this post, which annoyed me as I have zero interest in anything to do with the NFL. Or the NBA. Or the NHL. Or whatever set of initials represents professional baseball.
But track & field? Now we're talking! For me, the world comes to a halt when there's a good decathlon to follow.
But I digress.
@Mark F.'s comment made reading this post so worthwhile:
"Fun to watch what happens when a monopoly and an oligopoly tussle." I hadn't thought it in this way and I'm now sort of curious to see how this all ends.
Endre -- No, the Bus played for Pittsburgh. But he did take the Bengals for a ride twice a year. 🙂
Anyway, I did forgot the Bengals. Seems they charter with Delta which makes sense. I think I missed them because I counted the teams and had all 32 -- but now I realize that I had the Buccaneers listed twice. Apparently there is some confusion as to whether they charter Delta or United. So I left them in both places for now.
@Santastico - being the "official airline" for a sports franchise is a purely marketing relationship.
Since spring and summer are busy times for the airlines, I'm surprised this "lack of aircraft" problem hasn't impacted MLB teams which have 80+ road games a year.
The Titans fly on a 757 from United. So some teams do fly narrow bodies. However, I believe the Titans use a 777 in the preseason when the roster is bigger before the final cut. If the legacies cut off their sports team customers, long term look for Eastern Airlines to take over as soon as they expand their fleet. They already are the official airline of University of Miami athletics. Don't believe me, look it up.
It's a mix. Some own, some charter. But the other three pro sports charters all use narrow bodies, and there's a much bigger charter market for narrow bodies than wide bodies. So there's not nearly this kind of issue for that market. My recollection is that sports charters don't use the major airlines for this stuff.
I know the NHL isn't as big as the NFL down there but Air Canada Jetz has carried all the Canadian NHL teams and some of the US teams as well during the season (I think Colorado and Boston still use them). They also do the Toronto Blue Jays and Toronto Raptors.
Delta has a nice sub fleet of all first class planes for charters, they can re seat the plane back to main fleet when needed it takes about 6 hours
How can B6 NOT have the Patriots?
Somebody's asleep at the wheel in that corporate office.
Heck they expect people from Carolinas, Georgia and FL would be willing to fly 3 hours to Boston BEFORE going anyplace else.
Least you can do is actually represent the hometown kids.
"Delta has a nice sub fleet of all first class planes for charters"
Yeah, I've often wondered about logistics issues with pro teams and other big-time athletic programs. I don't really see LeBron James or Ben Roethlisberger sitting in a 31-in. pitch seat for a flight to/from the west coast--not to mention all the gear that has to be transported.
A few comments:
1. RE: JetBlue/Patriots: That's not an entirely unusual marketing relationship in what B6 wouldn't fly team charters (unless the secretly bought A330s while we were sleeping or something). Southwest has advertising partnerships with four MLB teams - Baltimore, Milwaukee, San Diego and Texas. Baltimore and Milwaukee charter with United, San Diego with Delta (though, I did observe a WN flight from LAX to SAN after the Padres at LA Dodgers series) and Texas with Atlas Air (using a 767). Also, American has a marketing agreement with the Chicago Cubs, but, according to flight trackers, the Cubs appear to charter with UA (as do 10 other teams). DL, BTW, is the charter carrier of choice for 13 MLB teams, AA flies the Arizona Diamondbacks, the Blue Jays use Air Canada and three other teams use a non-legacy/charter firm (I haven't been able to track any info on Detroit's charter provider).
2. I think there were comments on Monday's story about an incident involving the New York Giants allegedly trashing a UA 767 on the return charter from Green Bay to Newark which, in turn, caused delays for a UA flight from EWR to London. (Side note: for what it's worth, WN had a charter flight from Green Bay to EWR according to FlightAware, which I found odd since WN doesn't serve GRB; WN, however, has made major ad buys with the NFL, including the Super Bowl, so that could've been a charter flight for NFL execs returning to New York.)
3. I can't say that I'm surprised that AA kicked the Steelers to the curb as, quite frankly, they've pretty much downgraded Pittsburgh dating back to the US Airways days.
The remaining American Airlines cities all are hubs for American/US Air. Logistically makes some sense as well.
@Creighton Rabs
The Detroit Tigers share a plane with the Detroit Red Wings. Currently it is a 36 year old MD-80 that is owned by the two teams ownership