In a schedule update over the weekend, American revealed the next destination for its flagship Boeing 777-300ER aircraft (beyond the New York to Doha route).
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I prefer flying from US cities to Paris via Air France. AA’s soft/hard product just can’t compete.
AA only operated 2 x daily DFW-CDG in 2019 as AF had launched a CDG-DFW route. It was not a long standing, 2 x daily operation, but the wide body shortage is likely at play here regardless.
JFK-CDG going 77W for a few months can be explained through the lens of what is happening with JFK-GRU and MIA-EZE. AA does not have enough 777 and 787 aircraft to fly everything it wants to fly in Spring/Summer 2022 and so putting 77W's on 12+ hour downtime in South America isn't ideal, so they're putting some on shorter JFK routes where theoretically, there is more premium demand to Europe as demand to Europe is expected to be robust in 2022 assuming pandemic issues do not interfere. The 77W on JFK-CDG and 3 x daily on LHR really isn't about B6 as much as it is about optimizing the planes they have and trying to get ahead of irregular operational issues if one or more frames needs heavy maintenance.
Also, JFK-CDG is a major route for AA. It has operated continuously since it launched in 1987.
I think it actually does better in the winter because it’s full of French people going tote beaches of Florida, Caribbean, Central America then. Not so much in the summer.
Continuously, except from March 2020 to March 2021 when it was suspended due to the pandemic. Forgot to mention that. Launched in 1987 as JFK-ORY on a 767-200ER, switched for a time in the early 1990s to the DC10-30, then flew as a 767-300ER until 1999, when it was moved to CDG. Flew as a 767-300ER, briefly to a 777-200ER when the second JFK-CDG was cancelled (AA 120) then back to a 767-300ER than finally to the 77E again in March 2019.
With the other flight cuts these flights will be very full. Also setting the bar extremely low i would expect the food catering out of CDG to be an improvement in First.
If they're busily building "connecting" service in New York, why did they cut YYZ-JFK recently? Toronto airport catchment area is more than 5 millions, yet our only OneWorld service to New York is AA YYZ-JFK. None by any carrier too JFK. If Ben's theory is right, then could we expect AA to reintroduce JFK service from YYZ? Haha or better still from YTZ (one can dream)
oops I meant our only OneWorld service is YYZ-LGA. Kinda defeated my own argument there LOL
AA's 777-300ERs have less than 310 seats, 40+ fewer than UA's, making AA's 77Ws the most costly widebody aircraft per seat on a per seat basis. The AA cuts in Paris overall shows that they have had excess capacity - JFK-CDG was 2X/day not that long ago. DOT data shows that AA has consistently gotten average fares well below AF/DL in the US-CDG market as well as specifically JFK-CDG. AA is counting on filling a lot more premium seats in the NYC local market compared to both what it has operated in the past while still having far less than AF/DL and UA. AA is going all-in with the B6 alliance despite it not giving AA a competitive advantage but adding a much higher cost product.
No, they are flying the 77E on JFK-GRU for Summer 2022 and they also pulled a 77W off MIA-EZE and fly that with the 77E instead, plus 3 extra weekly on a 789.
That's... not true. Back in October 2014 I flew AA121 CDG-JFK on a 757 (a late afternoon flight) and then AA44 for the return JFK-CDG on a 767 (the first of the two daily flights).
I believe there have been two daily on that route up until pretty recently, but I'm less sure about that.
Actually, I am not correct. The second daily flight, AA 120/121, was cut in 2017. It was operated with a 757. So, it has not been quite a decade.
I do hope that American can eventually restart service from JFK to NRT/HND like they did in the past
As an American living in Paris who flies regularly to Miami, I find the schedulel change a disaster. We used to have three airlines operating nonstop on this route and now only Air France remains. AA's strategy of forcing passengers to change planes in one of their US hubs won't work because changing from international to domestic in a US airport is always a poorly-managed disaster, adding hours of waiting on lines to your trip. Who wants to spend 14 hours travelling when you can arrive in 10? Customers will vote with their feet and desert to AF. I hope AA will change its mind. October is a long time to wait.