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Airlines Add Fuel Stops Due To Hacked Pipeline

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If you’re flying in the coming days, in particular in the Southeast of the United States, this is something to keep an eye on.

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(@Sir Walter Raleigh)
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Chinese state actor


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 W
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ATL is probably going to get some major disruptions as well. There are still quite a good number of long haul flights operating right now.


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(@DenB®)
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Meanwhile POTUS cancels Keystone XL and Michigan Governor cancels another Canadian pipeline. Surely while we're still dependent on petroleum-based fuels, we should maintain some redundancy in our supply systems? How does "The Southeast" become crippled by a single pipeline? That's known in the Engineering field as a "single point of failure". It's a bad thing.


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(@Tim Dunn)
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ATL has a lot higher percentage of fuel reserves relative to demand than CLT or other east coast airports.
and Delta has a refinery outside of PHL that supplies its own NYC and BOS hubs and which sells its non-jet fuel products on the market. With so few refineries left in the northeast, Delta is in a unique position for its own operations but also in supplying markets in the northeast.

This whole thing will be crippling if it takes even a week to resolve; supplies will take weeks to restore. That hacks are taking place is not a huge surprise; the real surprise it that it is taking a week to get the pipeline back online.


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 Alex
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@DenB give up the partisan crap. The Canadian pipelines carry crude to refineries in the US. The pipeline that got shut down carries the finished products from the refineries to end users.


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(@David)
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@Sir Walter Raleigh

Could you not spread fake news? Chances are very good that these are Russian hackers, given they use GetUserDefaultLangID tools to make sure the target they're hacking doesn't use Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian etc.; languages from counties that were affiliated with the old Soviet state.


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(@James S)
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An hour to gas up seems excessive


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(@IntlBizTraveler)
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American needs to change their slogan from “Going for Great” to “Going for Gas”


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(@Reaper)
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@DenB® is too stupid to understand how pipelines are different.

@IntlBizTraveler, LOL


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 Juan
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@DenB® You mean the pipeline in Michigan that is aging, in need of repairs, and could leak into the Great Lakes, threatening the water supply of the state, Canada, and states downstream? What a shame to have a governor in Michigan actually can about water quality...


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(@ChrisC)
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@DenB

KeystoneXL would make absolutely no difference here because the heavy oil it would transport is not suited to turn into jet fuel when it eventually reaches refineries in Texas.

And Keystone XL only goes from Alberta to Nebraska anyway before it joins existing infrastructure.


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(@Stanley)
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Good point, David. No need to spread misinformation like the first comment. #Stop AAPI Hate.


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 Evan
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@Juan

Thank you! As a Michigander, the pipeline is a complex issue. The company that "maintains" the pipeline is no gem of a corporate citizen based on past issues, which is why it's the pipeline is a big issue.


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 Greg
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@TimDunn

I don’t know where you’re getting your info but it’s incorrect. The only direct airport connection from the Delta owned Trainer refinery is with PHL. To reach NYC (Linden NJ to be exact) it has to travel up the Colonial pipeline, which as we know, closed.

Boston is not connected to the Colonial pipeline, it is waterborne, so unless Delta has their own fuel tankers or ocean going barges, they’re as screwed as everyone else.


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(@sammy)
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13:32 UTC update - it looks like AA569 is -not- stopping (or COG) in DFW today after all per FlightStats


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(@Tim Dunn)
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@Greg,
please see Delta's 10K.
Our wholly owned subsidiaries, Monroe Energy, LLC and MIPC, LLC (collectively, "Monroe"), operate the Trainer refinery and related assets located near
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The facilities include pipelines and terminal assets that allow the refinery to supply jet fuel to our airline operations throughout the
Northeastern U.S., including our New York hubs at LaGuardia and JFK.

They have previously stated that they supply their BOS hub from the refinery but it may well use Colonial which has manually restarted parts of the pipeline.


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(@Scudder)
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I’m surprised AA is making its longhauls make a tach stop rather than maybe have short hauls tanker in to relieve the pressure on the low supply. (Or maybe they are, but supply really is that tight?)


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(@Rodney King)
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Why can't we all just get along?


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(@Dominic Yeo)
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Hacked?

More like a leak resulting from fatigue due to long term reduced use then suddenly going at high volimes again.

I recently did reservist with our secret force that deals with cyber warfare. Please drop any notion that nations are led by people like Dr Evil, who wants to screw or annoy us a little bit only. I won't say too much, but the enemy was always at home... the ones have-nots, the dissented. Yes, other Americans.

One of the things I feel that has gotten out of hand, is the assumption that elite status is earned.


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@Sir Walter Raleigh
Dimwit.
Take responsibility for some action for once please and stop blaming everything on the CCP without any evidence. Get a life!


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(@John S)
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I just did AA HNL to NY via CLT both ways and it was a surprisingly good experience in First. Pleasant F/A’s, Good Food and Drinks, on-time flights, and the newest and best Seats on the 777-200. Glad I got to do it while it was still a Nonstop between HNL and CLT!


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(@EBWaa)
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Gotta love the trumplodytes going nuts here. These are probably the types that burst into tears and start screeching about how Ben shouldn’t bring politics into posts. They’re all lunatics and freaks.


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(@Ben Telley)
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Psht it’s just an excuse to funnel more pax as both routes have had very low load factors since relaunching. Shame that this situation is being used this way.


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@EBWaa

Little Joey carter 2.0 is a useless weakling. We already have 4% inflation , 50% price rise in consumer goods, gas shortages , war in the Middle East , labor shortage , Shall I continue ?
Leave Ben out of this he’s on vacation I know you’re bored and lonely it’s slow in the aviation news at the moment.


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