Horizon Air is Alaska Airlines’ regional airline, and they operate a fleet of Embraer 175 and Bombardier Q400 aircraft. Well, the details of a pretty damning internal memo have been made public this week, and some of the revelations are shocking.
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It’s a good memo issued at the right time; immediately following the string of incidents. He didn’t let the situation “age” to see if things got better. He addressed it head-on as a good leader will do.
Kudos to Horizon Air. I’d fly them any day.
Personally, I'm disappointed that this is being published in the media. For passenger safety, it is in our best interest that aviation leaders feel candid to raise their safety concerns internally. He's raising his concerns in order to try to avoid an accident. By this being published by the media, the next time another executive or airline has a similar concern, they will think twice about raising such a concern so broadly or bluntly. Is that in the interest of safety? I don't think so. Regardless, kudos to the leader for raising the issue.
Off-topic Lucky, but looks like Hong Kong Airlines got a (brief) lifeline...
As you say, aviation remains incredibly safe. Good for Horizon for getting out ahead of things. Imagine if anyone in power showed anything close to this level of concern about the far more dangerous state of our roadway design and car culture.
It’s actually a false statement that ‘regional airlines are hiring pilots with less experience than ever before’. Since the the Colman Air crash in 2009 the FAA has mandated Airline Transport Pilots have 1500 hours of flight time to get their ATP certificate. (There are reasonable exceptions to this rule i.e. military experience or higher education). Heck, Mesa used to higher pilots with 250 hours. Nothing to be concerned about as a passenger here. US airlines will continue to have the overall best safety records in the world.
It’s actually a false statement that ‘regional airlines are hiring pilots with less experience than ever before’. Since the the Colgan Air crash in 2009 the FAA has mandated Airline Transport Pilots have 1500 hours of flight time to get their ATP certificate. (There are reasonable exceptions to this rule i.e. military experience or higher education). Heck, Mesa used to higher pilots with 250 hours. Nothing to be concerned about as a passenger here. US airlines will continue to have the overall best safety records in the world.
Excellent memo. Direct, pervasive, and followed right after the incidents. When a company gets complacent you need things like this.
As a MM on AS which includes a lot of flights sitting those damn hard seats on the Q's I have no issue seeing this memo leaked. At least he is trying to get ahead of the curve in this. If you want to fly with low hour pilots try flying to safari camps in Africa. I once flew with a pilot ( and she was pretty good, I flew right seat with her) she had to sit on a phone book to see out the windshield !!
What's going on with the pilot shortage was "seen" by the airlines long before it actually happened and there are a number of pilots getting out sooner than later that's another problem going on. When I got out of the AF you couldn't buy a seat in the cockpit and those days there were three of us there!!!
Aircraft are generally designed to take lightning strikes, so that should not be at the same level as the other concerns.
Lucky, @Joseph makes a great point that even to be a first officer you need to have 1500 hours, which is far more experience than the old 250 hours requirement. Even the lower 1000 hour requirement for higher education isn't for anyone who graduates college, but only applies to those who get a degree in aviation. Only a few colleges, such as Embry-Riddle and the University of South Dakota, offer aviation degrees.
Most of those incidents are unrelated to last week's serious weather events throughout the West. The serious weather events are unrelated to climate change. Climate change is unrelated to atmospheric pollution by aircraft. Now that we have that sorted out, let's all try to keep this a secret.
STOP. There is no such thing as a "shortage" of pilots or anything else. What they actually mean is there is a shortage of pilots at the salaries the airline is willing to pay.
Simple supply and demand, raise the salaries ,you fill the positions.
This is actually a really smart memo to publish. He is making this clear that Health & Safety is critical and they need to be better then they have been. From a personal liability standpoint, he needs to be able to show he took it seriously.
I canceled my Alaska flight next week so instead I can now get sucked out of the window seat on my Southwest flight instead
...' there aren’t any airlines I’d avoid for safety reasons'
So you'd gladly hop on another Royal Jordanian flight, Ben?
…’ there aren’t any airlines I’d avoid for safety reasons’
No the slightest bit worried about Lion Air or Air Asia? You're a brave man. I wouldnt and I dont care if they are paying me to fly with them.
I am actually happy to see this. It's a reflection of the correct approach to safety and a safety culture that tackles issues head-on. There is no sugar-coating anything here, nor should there be. Setting the tone from the top that it's OK to take the time to do things right, and nothing is more important than safety, is the right thing to be doing. I wouldn't hesitate to fly Horizon.
No, this was an internal email and should have never been leaked. The response from their leader should have been, “we have great pilots who strive to be safe, but there is always room for improvement.” But instead, he threw the whole pilot group under the bus. To me, that is poor leadership.
The only thing that I'm worried is the grammar. Not sure whether the mistake was Capt. Hornibrook's or Ben's, but you an airplane can't be hit by a lightning strike. You can be hit by lightning or you can be struck by lightning ,but not both.
More typical of "leadership" is hear nothing see nothing.
Kudos to CA Hornibrook and Horizon.
Now - see why few respect the press?
Spin is placed to try and generate that addictive "righteous indignation" the public so craves.
I've got news for you. It's not just about the number of hours for hiring pilots. That's an outsider perspective. The comment about they are hiring people they would not have 10 years ago and the safety culture are the real issues. As someone who has spent time in the military and is a pilot, I can assure you that the more systemic issue is the market-driven concern of hiring less qualified and less smart people than they used to. That's systemic issue number one. Issue number two is keeping pilots in a training culture where safety is religion, not a bandaid to a problem later. That's exactly where his memo is coming from and too bad he was probably pressured into redaction by profit wonks. Safety first, profit second. Expect to see more of this. It's rare to find an organization that is exceptional operationally. I'd put my bet on the VP of Ops.
My husband and I avoid Horizon at all costs after many bad experiences. So many of my flights would be delayed out of Portland due to mechanical problems, and the final straw was an experience with bad turbulence. We are very thankful Alaska has been switching out to its 737s on some of our regular routes.
"there aren't any airlines that i'd avoid for safety reasons"
maybe worth avoiding any airline that has been banned from Europe - here's a list
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/air/safety/air-ban/search_en