It’s always interesting to learn about the internal politics between airline management and frontline employees, especially when it comes to staffing levels, since that can also impact the passenger experience.
As most people are probably aware, Alaska Airlines has started operating long haul flights, using ex-Hawaiian Airlines wide body planes. As it turns out, staffing these planes is proving to be contentious, as the union claims it’s impossible to deliver on the service that the airline is promising, as flagged by PYOK.
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Alaska Boeing 787 inflight service grievance from flight attendants
In terms of its long haul network, Alaska Airlines currently flies Boeing 787-9s from Seattle (SEA) to London (LHR), Rome (FCO), Seoul Incheon (ICN), and Tokyo Narita (NRT).
While Alaska and Hawaiian are now on a single operating certificate, crews aren’t yet on a single contract, and this means that these long haul flights are currently staffed by Hawaiian flight attendants. Eventually crews will be on a single contract, but for the time being, that’s how things stand.
Along those lines, the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA), which represents flight attendants at both Alaska and Hawaiian, has filed an inflight service grievance over the Dreamliners. Here’s how the union describes the crux of the issue:
For decades, Hawaiian Airlines Flight Attendants have defined the Spirit of Aloha. We take pride in delivering world-class service, but management’s current Boeing 787-9 service model is threatening that legacy. It isn’t just inefficient—it’s an unsustainable pace that undermines the quality our passengers expect and the professional standards our crews deserve.
The idea is that when Alaska-branded long haul flying started in April 2026, management offered a 30-day observation period, to gather flight attendant feedback and implement service flow improvements. After all, airlines and unions collaborate to determine how many flight attendants will work a flight, based on the service level.
The claim by the union is that the observation period ended in late May, and months later, management has offered no resolutions to the negative feedback from flight attendants, claiming they need more data. The union argues that the refusal to collaborate is a direct violation of the contract flight attendants have, which requires mutual agreement on inflight service requirements. As a result, the union has filed a grievance:
At its core, this grievance is about one simple principle: If management expects a certain level of service, it must provide the staffing necessary to deliver it. They face a clear choice: increase staffing to meet their service goals, or work with our Inflight Service Committee to establish realistic service standards that actually reflect the staffing provided. Until they choose one, we will not accept being set up for failure.

This disagreement is primarily about economy staffing levels
It appears that the union’s primary grievance involves service in economy, as the AFA argues that current staffing levels “make it impossible to deliver on management’s promises.” The union is encouraging flight attendants to “keep documenting every challenge” that crew members face with the current service levels.
The idea is that the current service flow has flight attendants working each aisle front to back, rather than being assigned one specific section, which makes for a very long and complicated service.
While that was initially conceived in order to maximize efficiency, this was decided before Alaska “introduced several new products and services in the Main Cabin—such as premium-class offerings, status recognition, expanded beverage options, alcohol for purchase, and both ice cream and warm cookies—without the opportunity for further testing.”
For what it’s worth, these Dreamliners have 300 seats, including 34 business class seats and 266 economy seats. Flights are typically staffed with 10 flight attendants, with four working in business class, and six working in economy class.

Bottom line
Flight attendants working Alaska’s Dreamliners on long haul flights claim the service expectations of them are impossible, given limited staffing in economy. The argument is that Alaska has added all kinds of amenities and service expectations, and it’s just not realistic for six flight attendants to serve 266 passengers.
The union has filed a formal grievance, and is asking flight attendants to document every service issue, as part of their case with management.
I’ve not flown Alaska’s Dreamliners on a long haul flight, so I can’t really chime in here. On the surface, I see both sides. On the one hand, I respect the collective bargaining process, and I also realize that management often tries to cut costs and limit staffing. On the other hand, a lot of the service “issues” at US airlines seem to be much less of an issue virtually anywhere else in the world.
What’s your take on this flight attendant grievance over Alaska’s 787s?
I’d be curious what specific service elements are most challenging?What are the 10 +/- service elements that FAs on the 789 are excepted to deliver in the main cabin?
Example- Meals x 2- Beverages x 2- Status Recognition
I just completed FCO-SEA on AS 4 days ago in J. Absolutely splendid.
I spoke at length both before the flight and during the flight with the Lead FA along with several of the crew serving Business class and none of them, ever, at any point, seemed overwhelmed in the slightest. The closest comment (from the Lead FA and in comparison to legacy HA service) was about the quantity of food being served. The lead...
I just completed FCO-SEA on AS 4 days ago in J. Absolutely splendid.
I spoke at length both before the flight and during the flight with the Lead FA along with several of the crew serving Business class and none of them, ever, at any point, seemed overwhelmed in the slightest. The closest comment (from the Lead FA and in comparison to legacy HA service) was about the quantity of food being served. The lead FA indicated it was "A LOT" of food. I shared my feedback with him with regard to my experience on AA, BA, EK, etc, but the only criticism I would have is give the passenger a choice of appetizer, don't serve both. But that's J.
I didn't experience Econ which it seems where the complaint focuses. I read the complaint, but didn't see that level of detail so @Ben, I'm not sure where you saw the detail that it was Econ focused.
That said, the quantity of food based on the menu was no more and no less than what BA is serving in long haul J. As a 30-year flyer with AS, I had gut reservations about how the soft product would compare to those of other Int'l Transatlantic carriers given AS's transition to Int'l Longhaul. I was genuinely - and pleasantly - surprised at the service.
The lead FA (legacy HA) seemed hesitant about how things were integrating while a couple of the other (younger) FAs seemed genuinely excited. There was a palpable feeling of either entitlement or certainly a chip on one's shoulder from the Lead FA. Others have used the word 'lazy', and while I didn't visually see enough to use the same, I heard it in the Lead FA's tone, eye rolls, body language, etc. When I align the complaint with comments heard in my discussions, it sounds like legacy HA flights might have had lighter workloads and might have a bit more to do now. But certainly NOT more than BA who ROUTINELY understaffs their flights.
Still, I'm not in the business of JCBA's so will stop there. Just another data point. And my apologies to one prevalent poster, but data doesn't lie, and having worked in it for the past 4 years you cannot 'spin' or 'twist' to fit one's narrative or argument, unless you OMIT it.
My spouse and I flew the flight business level from London to Seattle in July, and were pleasantly surprised. Even though we paid lots of miles, the food and service were excellent—better than expected.
Hope they can work out these problems.
I just did SEA-LHR-SEA in economy. On the red-eye going to LHR it was a Dinner, 2 rounds of water, and Breakfast. Coming back it was Snack/drinks, Dinner, Cookies 4 hours after dinner, and a sandwich 90 mins before landing. I guess that's a lot for them idk.
I flew ICN - SEA in business in March and found the service splendid and filled with the spirit of Aloha. Then again, the business class cabin evidently is not what this grievance is about.
Alaska is a mess. Completely out grown SEA. Half of my flights require a stand wait. Couple this with frustrated FAs and a mediocre product and you get a good plan for a future implosion.
How does flight attendant profit sharing work ? When the company stock goes down does it get deducted from their paychecks?
Hm...I know a number of HA FAs. I don't think they fly these routes, but should ask them what they've heard from their coworkers.
Ben, I am still struggling with the new and improved site and there is no other way to reach out. I have to log off and in with EACH article. I am checking the "remember me" box.,
PLEASE fix this. Thanks
Brad over in St. Pete
Sweeties, staffing levels are contractual. Shut up and do your job.
Contract establishes the baseline, but when management unilaterally piles on new service duties and product enhancements mid-stream, the union (and its members) has every right to demand that staffing be re-evaluated to match the new reality.
("Shut up and do your job." Psh. Try saying that on your next flight, I dare you.)
Contract establishes the baseline, but when management unilaterally piles on new service duties and product enhancements mid-stream, the union (and its members) has every right to demand that staffing be re-evaluated to match the new reality.
("Shut up and do your job." Psh. Try saying that on your next flight, I dare you.)
(@jeremy, @howie, etc. I donno why there's a duplicate comment by me here; feel free to delete my second one, if you wish.)
Every time I fly the old HA 330 from LAX to OGG the last two rows in the centre of the aft cabin are blocked off with curtains so the staff can rest. Someone is always snoozing in their little plane fort. And that flight is only 5 hours long.
Hawaiian FAs are very friendly, but they don’t like to work hard.
Some of the Hawaii-West Coast trips are one-day turn-arounds, i.e. with no layover. If they are working 10+ hours on a given day, I might begrudge them taking a break.
9 or 10 FAs served on the A330-200 BOS-HNL with 260 ECY seats, the longest nonstop in Domestic service. Albeit before some of the amenities served on international 787-9 trips.
Ben. Problems in the US airlines don’t seem to be an issue on international airlines ? Seriously?
I have flown TAP and LOT in economy long haul. Their service is much simplified and basic .
They work with the same bare minimum flight attendants , but they work from one single cart in each aisle. That is the meal cart and the drinks offered is whatever they can fit on top of that...
Ben. Problems in the US airlines don’t seem to be an issue on international airlines ? Seriously?
I have flown TAP and LOT in economy long haul. Their service is much simplified and basic .
They work with the same bare minimum flight attendants , but they work from one single cart in each aisle. That is the meal cart and the drinks offered is whatever they can fit on top of that cart. So they do meal and drinks simultaneously from the same cart , and the serve your beverage on a glass of the size of a mouth washer cup with a single ice cube o no ice at all in the case of LOT.
You won’t see the crew again until landing service. They make it clear that you can visit them in the galleys shall you need something . So don’t come and say it is the same it isn’t .
If you want to go to Middle East airlines , they staff their planes with 14 crew members . So there’s that .
@ Eric -- "If you want to go to Middle East airlines , they staff their planes with 14 crew members . So there’s that ."
For what it's worth, Emirates staffs its 777-300ER economy with six flight attendants, and they have 260 seats, and are known for being *very* full service.
Eric is definitely onto something. It seems Alaska is trying to have it both ways by promising a premium product with multiple service steps while staffing like a bare-minimum carrier. I think that’s the mismatch the union is trying to call out.
How do other airlines that fly the 787 staff their economy sections?
My question exactly!
Presumably their cabin crews are happy to come to work and do their jobs according to company policy, and don't adopt a spoilt brat attitude of hating anything that makes them get off their asses.
UA staffs their 787-9s coach cabin with 5 FAs (21 Premium Plus/188 Econ) and 4 FAs (35 PP, 123 Econ). Before adding Premium Plus, the -9 was originally staffed with 7 with the larger coach cabin.
PeteAU, yeah, no yeah... they 'they’re just lazy' tired old trope ignores the reality that the airline significantly increased the workload by adding premium perks and service steps without adding the staff to support them...
"Premium" perks? Pouring wine from bottles, presenting pre-ordered meals, & emptying premixed cocktails into a glass of ice is hardly like working in Singapore Suites. There's a change that benefits pax instead of them, so cue the complaining about how awful things are. Cabin crews do work hard, but Alaska pays them quite well for their time and they have lifestyle perks that many other hourly-rate workers can only dream of.
Pete, you can dismiss the multi-step economy service and status recognition as 'just pouring wine' but that ignores the volume and pacing of caring for 266 passengers with a skeleton crew of just 6. Sure, great pay and lifestyle perks would be nice (on-paper, at least) but that do not stretch the human hours needed or add additional limbs to these people who need more help to do what management wants them to do. Clearly,...
Pete, you can dismiss the multi-step economy service and status recognition as 'just pouring wine' but that ignores the volume and pacing of caring for 266 passengers with a skeleton crew of just 6. Sure, great pay and lifestyle perks would be nice (on-paper, at least) but that do not stretch the human hours needed or add additional limbs to these people who need more help to do what management wants them to do. Clearly, it's time for re-evaluating this. (Speaking of AU, have you tried Hawaiian with a stopover in HNL to go from AU to US?)
Other legacy US carriers are not providing the same level of main cabin service that Alaska is providing.
Qantas staffs as follows on 787-9
J - 4 FA (42 pax)
Prem Eco - 2 FA (28 pax)
Eco - 4 FA (166 pax)
I think 6 FA for the AS Eco config is pretty industry average.
No idea what the issue is really but TUI have I believe 8 attendants for upto 345 pax, including premium cabin.
Their service is superb!
It is probably the lazy / give me / entitled / etc. American culture of pay me the most, but continuously expect less productivity.
I would think it would be almost impossible to replace human being as flights with AI or robots, but at least in areas of the colony you can……they show up too work, are productive and don’t complain or file lawsuits and grievances outside maintenance or upgrades.
I agree with you, Florida. The crew and their union need to do some expectation management. This is now the job. If it's too much for them to handle anymore, then bid for non-787 trips. They trap is that they love how fast the long haul hours stack up every month, but then actually expecting them to run service flow to company policy? Horror! It's actually hard work! Get a grip, granny. Would you rather...
I agree with you, Florida. The crew and their union need to do some expectation management. This is now the job. If it's too much for them to handle anymore, then bid for non-787 trips. They trap is that they love how fast the long haul hours stack up every month, but then actually expecting them to run service flow to company policy? Horror! It's actually hard work! Get a grip, granny. Would you rather be working endless interisland shuttle flights all day, every day?
Florida, yikes, what an embarrassing display of corporate bootlicking. What are you even talking about with referencing 'the colony'? You seem to be romanticizing foreign labor because in some cases their workers lack the legal protections. Nah, I don't think you care about 'productivity' at all. You just want to cheerlead for the exploitation of others.
Having flown SEA-LHR and back in economy I can confirm there was no gold recognition given. While my family and I were happy with the quality of service, the FAs working the flight never stopped moving. I hope Alaska’s delayed response isn’t due to their desire to try and make routes with low load factors profitable. They know by now that a positive customer experience drives loyalty, and should trust their people and either make...
Having flown SEA-LHR and back in economy I can confirm there was no gold recognition given. While my family and I were happy with the quality of service, the FAs working the flight never stopped moving. I hope Alaska’s delayed response isn’t due to their desire to try and make routes with low load factors profitable. They know by now that a positive customer experience drives loyalty, and should trust their people and either make changes to the flow, change the crew rest timing to allow for increased staffing during peak service times, or add staffing.
When you say no gold recognition given, are you talking about during boarding? Or while onboard?
It’s telling that even as a passenger, you could see the crew was constantly moving. Sounds like the tension isn't about crew 'laziness,' but about an airline trying to squeeze premium-level service out of a lean, domestic-style staffing model. Hope Alaska can sort this out better, soon.
I can't help to think it's a difference between HA and AS culture changes from top-down that they might not be used to
I take SEA-ICN pretty frequently and have experiences on both J and Y on the Dreamliners. I haven't really noticed a huge gap in service between them and other airlines, and I always thought it was good. I guess I'm pretty forgiving with service though
I traveled the Alaska FCO-SEA route last month and chatted with the flight attendants working business class at the conclusion of service. My feedback and question to them was around the topic of service flow. Almost every airline has a similar service flow to business class service, but in the case of Alaska, they seem to have decided to 'rewrite the playbook'. Ordering was a scramble, drinks were out of sequence with courses, drink refills...
I traveled the Alaska FCO-SEA route last month and chatted with the flight attendants working business class at the conclusion of service. My feedback and question to them was around the topic of service flow. Almost every airline has a similar service flow to business class service, but in the case of Alaska, they seem to have decided to 'rewrite the playbook'. Ordering was a scramble, drinks were out of sequence with courses, drink refills were ill timed, and course flow was lengthy. From what the FAs shared, legacy Hawaiian had a fairly solid service flow but Alaska decided to change things without looking at how other carriers operate and/or solicit crew feedback. Frustration was high as clearly they felt they knew how to deliver from prior experience.
I hope these crews receive the relief they're asking for, as soon as possible. As passengers, we should want airlines to better support their people. Keep in mind, most of Alaska's bases are in higher cost of living areas, and this airline has undergone a rapid expansion (new aircraft, new long-haul international destinations, and a continued merger with Hawaiian crews). So, while they did ratify a new contract in 2025, some of it really may...
I hope these crews receive the relief they're asking for, as soon as possible. As passengers, we should want airlines to better support their people. Keep in mind, most of Alaska's bases are in higher cost of living areas, and this airline has undergone a rapid expansion (new aircraft, new long-haul international destinations, and a continued merger with Hawaiian crews). So, while they did ratify a new contract in 2025, some of it really may need to be revisited. Wishing them the best!
Why should we want that as employees. Shouldn’t we want them to do whatever they can to lower costs so they can make our travel more affordable from a logical perspective?
I find that the FAs without seniority deliver way better service on average and they can’t win bids for these flights. Shouldn’t we be wanting to support them? It will lower costs and improve service.
I think it's a misconception that lower labor costs translate to lower ticket prices for us. Usually, it just widens airline margins while the passenger experience suffers. I’d rather see airlines run a well-supported, reliable operation. When crews aren't set up for failure, the product is better and flights run much more smoothly for everyone on board.
The amount of work they must be putting in handing out that cookie, the horror!
Tell us you missed the point without telling us you missed the point.
Please do tell them explicitly how you REALLY feel, preferably before accepting said cookie (or beverage). Then, eat and drink up! Yum!
This is fundamentally coming down to how these new services are impacting their crew rest. Historically HA flew mainly Asia pacific for long haul and offered the fewest services in coach. Now that they’re adjusting to more services on Europe it’s going to shorten their rest breaks. I get it, working US to Europe flights in the summer are brutal. Passengers on these routes are a lot and it’s much more demanding than an overnight...
This is fundamentally coming down to how these new services are impacting their crew rest. Historically HA flew mainly Asia pacific for long haul and offered the fewest services in coach. Now that they’re adjusting to more services on Europe it’s going to shorten their rest breaks. I get it, working US to Europe flights in the summer are brutal. Passengers on these routes are a lot and it’s much more demanding than an overnight flight from Hawaii to Japan. For a point of comparison DL staffed their legacy 333 with 6 FAs in coach with a count of 259 and we still managed to complete all the required services and get a decent rest period if we were willing to hustle. Alaska’s 789 staffing is standard with US carriers, they just need to get used to the passenger dynamics on the new routes and acclimate to the added services.
I recently flew LHR to SEA return in premium economy. Both ways the service was great though the food was a bit plain compared to other European airlines. The one thing I heard from the staff both ways was they found flying to Europe very tiring and didn't get much rest. One of them was also saying that they didn't expect to be having to do Europe flights but were required to.
Cry me a river you unappreciative blahhhhhh
They probably want more money….. stop complaining, you have a job that you sit on your butt for hours and get paid well in comparison to other jobs which don’t require education or a brain and have to screw up badly to get fired.
How about they get paid minimum wage plus tips. I’m sure services would change then. I know plenty of people that would happily take a job on Alaska for 20 bucks an hour, just to have a job.
I agree!
If they don't like it, leave the US of A!
There are plenty of people willing to be crapped on for penies!
Time to take one for the team @Ben and fly a 10hr+ segment in Economy. I was tempted to buy one earlier on a MCO-SEA-ICN-HKG (with the last segment on Asiana) for only $430 one-way but chickened out.
Too many seats on too-large aircrafts . The 707 never had such problems , and the FAs were cozy .
Very sensitive topic. On one hand my experience with service on US airlines is not fantastic. On the other hand, it is sometimes obvious with international airlines (specifically very service-focused ones) that cabin crew is struggling with running the flight per very demanding standard procedures.
I’ve flown the 789 from LHR to SEA. I’m not sure what they are complaining about. There was plenty of galley time and they disappeared for most of the flight except in the service windows. No offers of premium class refills or otherwise.
I can’t help but feel there is an entitled attitude from HA to AS cultures. Several HA FAs have said to me they didn’t want AS services as they would have...
I’ve flown the 789 from LHR to SEA. I’m not sure what they are complaining about. There was plenty of galley time and they disappeared for most of the flight except in the service windows. No offers of premium class refills or otherwise.
I can’t help but feel there is an entitled attitude from HA to AS cultures. Several HA FAs have said to me they didn’t want AS services as they would have to do more on a flight. (HA had a single service from the mainland to HI, AS has 2).
I just don’t see what the complaint is here except wanting möre break time to chit chat.
I have really not felt more welcome or Aloha on HA branded flights. Regardless, some AS have not done PDBs either.
ASHA definitely has some FA Labour strife.
Wait, FAs are complaining about how rough they have it? Well, this is a first.
I’m sure they would be demanding everything that is claimed to be offered if they were the paying passenger. Hypocrites
Go the way of Delta…… Non Union.
Does anyone know how many FAs United staffs on its new premium 787s? Flew this plane from SIN the other day and was surprised how many FAs there were- at least in biz
Really that have hours to complete the service. You would think they were trying to do a hot meal service in coach flying LGA to ORD. Which BTW was the coach service 40 years ago. Sounds like they want more sit in the jump seat and play on phone time versus being in the aisles doing a service time. Their job.
I think you mean ‘look out for the safety of all passengers’ time
How do you see "both sides"? Its not like there isn't a trove of data about how to staff a 787 with 266 seats.
@ Rob -- Sorry, you're agreeing with which side here? Ultimately staffing levels aren't just based on data, but are also based on the collective bargaining agreements that work groups have.
Ben, let's face it, some on here only care about so-called 'data' because they can then selectively 'interpret' it to fulfill their personal biases (How many times have we heard the equivalent of...my opinions are 'facts'; your opinions are 'wrong'). Most of these 'debates' on topics like this involve both 'quantitative' and 'qualitative' metrics, which can be 'subjective.' That said, I think passengers experiences do still matter and are not mere 'anecdotes' to be ignored....
Ben, let's face it, some on here only care about so-called 'data' because they can then selectively 'interpret' it to fulfill their personal biases (How many times have we heard the equivalent of...my opinions are 'facts'; your opinions are 'wrong'). Most of these 'debates' on topics like this involve both 'quantitative' and 'qualitative' metrics, which can be 'subjective.' That said, I think passengers experiences do still matter and are not mere 'anecdotes' to be ignored. (Now, someone please call me a silly name and ignore all of what I've said.)
10 total FAs on a widebody with 300 or fewer seats of which 6 serve the economy cabin is well within US airline industry staffing. It is also within industry standards for economy FAs to serve one aisle all the way front and back. It is actually harder to serve just sections of economy if FAs have to go back to the galley to restock the carts whether it be for food or beverages.
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10 total FAs on a widebody with 300 or fewer seats of which 6 serve the economy cabin is well within US airline industry staffing. It is also within industry standards for economy FAs to serve one aisle all the way front and back. It is actually harder to serve just sections of economy if FAs have to go back to the galley to restock the carts whether it be for food or beverages.
Based on some early load factor data which has been posted on other sites, AS' LFs trail DL's on a number of routes.
all of this just simply highlights how difficult it is for an airline to transition to a new business model esp. in competitive markets
add in that AS' financials are weak right now even before joint labor contracts have been signed and the Hawaiin merger is settling up to look very much like the Virgin America acquisition for AS
you gotta give the man credit for being consistent, if nothing else #delta
"Based on some early load factor data which has been posted on other sites, AS' LFs trail DL's on a number of routes."
and delta trails AS on nearly every yield measurement out of SEA except to DL hubs. Your point?
Tim, it seems like friction between Alaska and Hawaiian crews as they still sort out that merger. Besides, those Pacific routes, especially to Japan, have a heightened expectation of service. Personally, I'd like to return to Japan and try both D1 at SEA, one-way, and this beautiful new AS 787 the other way, at some point.
Amazing. Not a single mention of Delta in the article, and you still contorted yourself into mentioning Delta. Truly outstanding work.