Annoying: Bilt’s Credit Cards Won’t Award Points On Tax Payments

Annoying: Bilt’s Credit Cards Won’t Award Points On Tax Payments

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We recently learned about major changes coming to Bilt, including the introduction of three new credit cards, plus a new way to award points for housing spending. The changes haven’t exactly been well received, including due to the complexity of the new system, so Bilt already made changes within days of launch (arguably adding even more complexity, but that’s a different story).

In this post, I’d like to focus on one specific frustration that I have with the new card concept. It won’t impact everyone, but I think for those of us who do value this as a way to generate points, it’s pretty noteworthy.

Bilt won’t award points on credit card tax payments?!

If you look at the terms of Bilt’s three new credit cards — the no annual fee Bilt Blue Card, $95 annual fee Bilt Obsidian Card, and $495 Bilt Palladium Card — you’ll see a section about what constitutes an eligible purchase for the purposes of earning points on credit card spending. Here’s the relevant part:

“Eligible Purchases” or “Purchases” means transactions for goods or services made with your Bilt Card, minus returns, refunds, or credits. Purchases that do not earn Bilt Points or Bilt Cash: Balance transfers, Special Transfers, cash advances, travelers checks, money orders, wire transfers or similar cash-like transactions, prepaid cards, gift cards, person-to-person payments (such as Venmo, PayPal, Cash App, or Zelle), tax payments, online resale marketplaces (such as eBay or Facebook Marketplace), cryptocurrency or other digital currency purchases, fees or interest posted to your Account (including annual fees, late fees, and returned payment fees), lottery tickets, casino gaming chips, race track wagers or similar betting transactions, and checks that access your Account.

What stands out to me the most is that you can’t earn points on the cards on tax payments. For those of us who are self-employed and make our own quarterly tax payments, there are services out there that let us pay taxes by credit card in exchange for a fee of around 2%.

To be clear, this isn’t “gaming,” or anything like that. Literally not a single major card issuer has rules against this, and I’ve used cards from American Express, Capital One, Chase, Citi, etc., toward tax payments.

However, at least based on the terms, Bilt is going to have the first credit cards I know of that specifically carve out an exception for this. I reached out to a Bilt representative a few days ago to confirm that this is in fact the intent, and I never heard back, so I figure it’s time to cover this.

Bilt credit cards won’t offer points on tax payments

I think this gets at the frustration people have with Bilt

I don’t want to suggest that the tax payment exclusion specifically is what’s wrong with Bilt, but I think these kinds of carve-outs sum up the frustration that many members are feeling with all these Bilt changes.

Bilt isn’t some small, scrappy startup — instead, it has a valuation of over $10 billion. While Bilt executives will claim that the company is way more than a credit card, I think most reasonable people would agree that the thing that made Bilt gain traction was rewarding rent payments without fees.

Many of us said that the initial concept wasn’t sustainable, but Bilt executives insisted the company was already profitable, and suggested it was sustainable… until it wasn’t. Of course now we see some people at Bilt essentially suggesting that those who were earning rent rewards while making five small purchases per billing cycle were “cheating” the system, when in fact, that was the literal value proposition the company promoted.

What does this have to do with the tax payment situation? Well, Bilt now promises that the Bilt Palladium Card will be one of the most rewarding cards for everyday spending, earning the most valuable points currency there is. That caused many people, like me, to get the card, as 2x points on everyday spending is awesome.

But then you start to learn that apparently Bilt doesn’t actually want to offer 2x points across the board, and creates exclusions that you won’t find with any other cards. It contributes to the overall feeling of Bilt basically trying to claim it’s the most rewarding in every way, while carving out exceptions.

If Bilt is getting the typical interchange fees for tax payments, then why does the company feel it can’t reward those payments like any other purchases? Is even that model not sustainable, or how else can one rationalize that?

I’m happy to give the Bilt Palladium Card a try, thanks to the welcome bonus, and in anticipation of learning how Bilt Cash will work (since that’s a major unknown as of now). But justifying the $495 annual fee may be difficult:

  • An incremental Priority Pass membership gets me very little value
  • Up to $400 in hotel credits, each of which is a $200 semi-annual credit requiring a minimum of two nights, is really a chore to use, especially for those of us who already have many cards with many hotel credits

I figured “okay, well maybe my rewards for everyday spending will help me justify the $495 annual fee.” But then you learn about the unusual exclusions, which are just sort of frustrating.

It’s hard to get excited about a card with exclusions like this

Bottom line

Bilt is launching three new credit cards in partnership with Cardless. While they’re probably not going to be as rewarding as the old card, there’s still potentially merit to picking up one of them. What I’m finding frustrating is how there are quite some “catches” to maximizing value.

Among those is that Bilt’s credit cards reportedly can’t be used for tax payments, for those services that allow tax payments with a fee. There’s not another major credit card with an exclusion like that, so it just strikes me as a bit of a “gotcha,” especially when you’re promoting a card that’s supposed to be unparalleled for everyday spending.

Anyone else frustrated by this tax payment exclusion?

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  1. UnitedEF Guest

    2.0 is just as unsustainable as 1.0. they will be looking for a new bank in a couple of years. That's why there are so many rules to prolong the inevitable. Awarding points for rent was the dream of a couple of drunk points guys that managed to sucker in some VCs with money to burn.

  2. Charlie Guest

    Robinhood Gold card does the same thing regarding taxes. Everyone needs to discourage this practice by not using these cards.

  3. John G Guest

    @Ben it's because the approved IRS processors have a fixed rate (about 88 basis points or so). My fear is the "marketplace" provision and them including amazon because AMZ has a set rate of about 80 basis points or so. Same deal with eBay.

    Which btw- kills their entire CCCA arguments. Big retail is already paying way less than Main Street USA businesses.

  4. Tony Guest

    Tax payment processors are charged lower interchange fees, so it isn't really surprising that some reward card issuers wouldn't offer the same rewards on such payments.

  5. Ron Guest

    Are Property Taxes excluded?

  6. 305 Guest

    Another one here to complain about excluding online marketplaces such as ebay. Then again, when the guy running the rewards side of Bilt is the same one who scammed AA mailers for years, not surprised he thinks everyone is out to scam Bilt.

  7. Von Schaper Guest

    Tax payments, annoying but it's not a dealbreaker for everyone. What is starting to piss me off is now saying they won't reward purchases on eBay and Facebook Marketplace. I shop vintage items on eBay as much as a do a physical antique shops. Who is to say that next they're not going to allow you 2x points on, whatever they decide tomorrow. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to have all...

    Tax payments, annoying but it's not a dealbreaker for everyone. What is starting to piss me off is now saying they won't reward purchases on eBay and Facebook Marketplace. I shop vintage items on eBay as much as a do a physical antique shops. Who is to say that next they're not going to allow you 2x points on, whatever they decide tomorrow. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to have all these changes before I've even received my new card. I was excited to make this card my daily driver and have a list of cards I WAS planning on closing to replace with this but now I'm holding off. Bilt, lose my trust, lose me as a customer for good.

    1. Samar Gold

      Agreed. None of the categories excluded by Bilt affect me, so it’ll make no difference on the value proposition for now. But who knows what they’ll add to this list, or how other issuers may see this and start adding their own exclusion categories. Bad optics on top of bad optics.

    2. UnitedEF Guest

      Work around eBay gift cards at grocery stores. I do that anyways now for large purchases as it also gets grocery store points.

    3. John Guest

      Von. Get the Wells Fargo attune card. 4% cash back on eBay

  8. Lynn Guest

    USAA has this provision also. I was burned by it about a year ago. Expected to get travel points in their program, and after my 90 days was up when they hadn’t been awarded, I was informed that the tax payment I made didn’t count. It was in the terms and conditions, but I hadn’t noticed it.

  9. AvgeekAgent Guest

    Ben, what about the language regarding a claw-back of the SUB for misuse, including

    - Canceling, downgrading, or closing your Bilt Card Account within 12 months after your Account Open Date;

    Are they going to try and stick everyone with a second annual fee if the card is not working out for them?

    1. RandomTwoCents Guest

      It's been said by others that Cardless currently does not allow product changes on any of their cards. Plus they are stingy in refunding annual fees. So the palladium sub could actually be $990 for 50k bilt pts. Something to think about for those who want to try it out for a year or churn the sub.

    2. JustinB Diamond

      Just liquidate the points then cancel not like Amex or Chase where you want to stay in their ecosystem with other cards

    3. avgeekagent Member

      Ben, seems like this risk warrants a separate post...would love to see you take the issue head-on!

  10. Lukas Diamond

    "An incremental Priority Pass membership gets me very little value."

    Why so soft? It gets you ZERO VALUE. Let's be honest in here, come on.

  11. Hk Guest

    Maybe it’s only on t&c? Amex reps often say tax payment isn’t count for signup bonus spending - maybe it’s written somewhere but we know tax payment always works on Amex.

  12. Enjoying BGI Guest

    Beyond lame. They still earn interchange, albeit less, presumably given the consumer fees are less than 2%. But a major complication (as usual from Bilt) that will make it easy for me to say nope to these already complicated cards. Not even sure why the eBay restriction - buying a few trading cards or something is non point earning?!??

  13. ChampagneSocialist Guest

    Hi Lucky, I've noticed you using the adjective "incremental" a few times in your blog posts. Could you please help me understand what you mean exactly by "an incremental Priority Pass membership gets me very little value" - do you mean that you already have an existing Priority Pass membership and therefore getting it for a second time via Bilt adds little or no value for you? (Not saying that you are wrong, just that...

    Hi Lucky, I've noticed you using the adjective "incremental" a few times in your blog posts. Could you please help me understand what you mean exactly by "an incremental Priority Pass membership gets me very little value" - do you mean that you already have an existing Priority Pass membership and therefore getting it for a second time via Bilt adds little or no value for you? (Not saying that you are wrong, just that I don't often come across this usage of the word in British parlance!)

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ ChampagneSocialist -- Sorry if that wasn't clear. My point is that I already have several premium cards that offer a Priority Pass membership, so one extra membership doesn't really get me any additional value.

    2. Jack Guest

      Ben has multiple PP memberships from multiple cards. Amex Platinum, Amex Business Platinum, Venture X, Venture X Business, Chase Sapphire Reserve, Chase Sapphire Reserve Business, Citi Strata Elite. What incremental value would yet another PP membership add to what he already has? The same concept can be applied to other things. What incremental value does Bilt Cash provide above (say) the Capital One Venture X? Or, anything added to what one already has?

  14. PDS Guest

    That BILT 1.0 shine sure is fading quickly in the last week or so….there’s a short term gap for another startup to temporarily steal their spotlight with another VC funded, unsustainable business model.

  15. 2.0 unnecessarily complicated Guest

    Spot on. Very frustrating and causes me to pause as I consider my BILT plans. BILT 2.0 would replace my C1VX if 2.0 didn’t carve out tax payments. Sucks they are excluding tax payments.

    Although, I don’t think they are alone. Robinhood’s gold card, which is near impossible to get, excludes tax payments from its 3% cash back. as well

    1. Jack Guest

      I am in a similar situation. Excluding tax payments . . . and marketplaces . . . and the uncertainty about the realizable value of Bilt Cash? I'm going to stick with my Venture X. Too many exceptions with Bilt 2.0.

  16. enzodolan New Member

    "Online re-sale marketplaces" - who counts? We know eBay and FB, but what about Etsy? Amazon?

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JustinB Diamond

Just liquidate the points then cancel not like Amex or Chase where you want to stay in their ecosystem with other cards

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RandomTwoCents Guest

It's been said by others that Cardless currently does not allow product changes on any of their cards. Plus they are stingy in refunding annual fees. So the palladium sub could actually be $990 for 50k bilt pts. Something to think about for those who want to try it out for a year or churn the sub.

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John Guest

Von. Get the Wells Fargo attune card. 4% cash back on eBay

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