My Furious Emirates First Class Seat Mate: Fair Feedback, Unfair Delivery

My Furious Emirates First Class Seat Mate: Fair Feedback, Unfair Delivery

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As someone who has been writing about airlines (and has a particular interest in passenger experience) for nearly 18 years, I always appreciate seeing how other people perceive various flight experiences. After all, we all have our own biases and preferences, so I never claim or believe that my perception is more correct than anyone else’s.

Along those lines, I shared the incredible flight that I had with my dad in Emirates’ A380 first class from New York (JFK) to Milan (MXP), which we enjoyed immensely. However, the passenger seated across from me seemingly had a very different perception, and she wasn’t shy about expressing her displeasure. I think there are a few interesting lessons here.

Why an Emirates first class passenger was really angry

I don’t know how one can be anything other than overjoyed when stepping into the Emirates A380 first class cabin. 😉 Toward the end of the boarding process, a woman boarded and took the window seat across from me. She was warmly greeted by the crew, and the flight attendant asked how her day was going.

“Horrible, that was the worst experience of my life,” she responded. I don’t usually eavesdrop on conversations, but she said it in a loud voice with an angry tone, and that certainly got my attention.

She proceeded to quite aggressively rant at the flight attendant about how bad Emirates’ first class ground experience is, posing the question of why she paid more than double as much compared to business class for such a crappy experience. She explained:

  • The security lines were really long, and there was no help at security from Emirates staff
  • The lounge was crowded, with no special area for first class passengers
  • Boarding was chaotic, with all priority passengers having to get in the same line
Obviously my seat mate wasn’t as happy (or drunk) as I was

She explained that she usually flies SWISS first class, and in New York they escort you through security, have a special lounge for first class passengers, and then escort you onto the plane. She just couldn’t believe how chaotic the ground experience was. She swore she’d never fly Emirates first class again.

This went on for at least a few minutes, and the flight attendant handled it really professionally. Eventually the purser also came around to greet each passenger, and then she went through the whole spiel again. The purser was once again apologetic, and said that she’d be sure to document her feedback and share it with the company.

This is the wrong way to share feedback and frustration

Before we talk about the substance of the woman’s complaints, let’s talk about how she presented them. The way that she interacted with the crew was incredibly off-putting, in my opinion.

Based on her tone, you’d think that the crew personally wronged her, as if they have anything to do with the type of ground service Emirates offers. I just find this to be such an unfortunate way to interact with frontline employees:

  • As a first class passenger, your feedback at Emirates does matter; by all means send an email to customer relations, or even figure out the email of an executive, and share your opinion, and how shortcomings in some area would prevent you from booking the airline again
  • I also think there’s nothing wrong with sharing the feedback politely with the purser, so that they can document it, because at Emirates, pursers do take notes about feedback, and it is reviewed by management
  • Crucially, that feedback can be conveyed in a polite tone, recognizing that the frontline employee isn’t in any way at fault for what you experienced

I do agree with the substance of the complaint, though

I actually don’t in any way disagree with the substance of what the first class passenger shared — if what you value is an exclusive first class ground experience, then Emirates first class should be avoided. The truth is that Emirates invests massively in its inflight experience, while the ground experience is a totally different story.

I suspect this is partly because of the sheer size of Emirates’ first class fleet. The airline has over 2,200 first class seats across its fleet, so the airline has more than 3x as many first class seats as the next biggest airline with the cabin (British Airways), and nearly 10x as many first class seats as SWISS (the example she gave).

So while I’m not expecting Emirates to have anything comparable to Air France’s La Premiere first class experience anytime soon, I am utterly confused by Emirates’ complete indifference.

For example, Emirates doesn’t even offer priority boarding to first class passengers in New York. First class and business class passengers, as well as Skywards Platinum, Gold, and Silver members, can all board at once. There are 90 first and business class seats, and that doesn’t even account for elite members.

So if you’re traveling in first class, you’re potentially boarding with way over 100 people, potentially as many as would fit on a Boeing 737 (and that says nothing of wheelchair and family pre-boarding). For an airline that has such incredible attention to detail onboard, it does confuse me that the airline just completely overlooks this, as this would be so easy to implement.

Emirates’ first class boarding process is a mess

Similarly, Emirates has the largest international lounge network of any airline in the world, as the airline spends an immense amount on operating its own lounges at outstations, even in many markets where there’s just one daily flight. That’s clearly a reflection of how the airline likes to manage its customer experience from start to finish.

However, I find it odd that the airline operates these huge outstation lounges, but then doesn’t do anything to offer a special experience for first class passengers. You’d think it would be super easy to partition off a small portion of the lounge for first class passengers, and to offer elevated drinks, perhaps a la carte dining, barista coffee, etc.

Emirates’ outstation lounge experience could be improved

I fully agree that I wish this were an area Emirates would invest in, as it’s just so odd to see an airline so focused on the inflight experience, while completely dropping the ball with the ground experience. But of course I’ve also flown Emirates first class many times before, so I know exactly what to expect, and I still think it’s pretty awesome, on balance.

Presumably this traveler hadn’t flown Emirates first class before (or at least recently). If what you value is a seamless first class experience where you’re looked after every step of the way, then Emirates absolutely isn’t for you. That’s an area where Air France has no competition, though even carriers like SWISS and Lufthansa do a better job at outstations where they have lounges.

Bottom line

The woman seated across from me in Emirates first class boarded in an absolutely terrible mood, as she was extremely disappointed by the Emirates first class ground experience. She claimed she usually flew SWISS first class, and if what you care about is a seamless ground experience, I can see how flying Emirates out of New York would be disappointing, by comparison.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with sharing feedback with a purser. However, I think it’s important to do it nicely, and to make your point and then move on. After all, there are better avenues for sharing this feedback. In terms of the actual core of her message, though, I largely agree.

What do you make of this Emirates first class passenger’s “feedback?”

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  1. Name Guest

    Par for the course for the ME3 carriers. When everything is going well, it's glamour and shiny and Instagram. When things don't or you feedback, its deaf ears, as long as you paid they have the money and don't care anymore. Qatar and bus gates with first-then-last-bus boarding for C is another example.

  2. TAN Guest

    Grumbling about sub-par service is one thing, calling that sort of thing the worst experience in one's life is quite another and proves that the passenger is a complete idiot. I think that the post is way too kind with that person. I can't comment on AF P, but I have personally experienced the lack of any special services at GRU and EZE flying LH/LX F, an experience which is pretty typical across their outstations...

    Grumbling about sub-par service is one thing, calling that sort of thing the worst experience in one's life is quite another and proves that the passenger is a complete idiot. I think that the post is way too kind with that person. I can't comment on AF P, but I have personally experienced the lack of any special services at GRU and EZE flying LH/LX F, an experience which is pretty typical across their outstations if the relevant Flyertalk thread is accurate. It's public transport and the passenger is a fool for spending all that money without having done her research.

  3. Nelson Diamond

    I feel bad for the FA in first place, I would not have that courage to answer that morron in that way, even if my job was depending on it.
    I'm pretty sure that passenger never ever flew any First before. Yes there are other kind of Carriers with First but I personnaly prefer a good inflight service over a ground service. Why did she even booked an EK ticket if she would have...

    I feel bad for the FA in first place, I would not have that courage to answer that morron in that way, even if my job was depending on it.
    I'm pretty sure that passenger never ever flew any First before. Yes there are other kind of Carriers with First but I personnaly prefer a good inflight service over a ground service. Why did she even booked an EK ticket if she would have other (better) experiences?? That's the kind of people who just want to come in the daylight with stupid comments.

  4. windswd Guest

    Raving n ranting is out of bounds. But all her comments on the ground/lounge experience are 100% valid and were endorsed equally by Ben's comments. It is mind boggling how "un-caring" EK is to any feedback it gets on these shortcomings on the ground service. I have commented on it several times and - even as a Platinum twice over - did not ever even get the courtesy of a reply.

    LH/LX: been there, done...

    Raving n ranting is out of bounds. But all her comments on the ground/lounge experience are 100% valid and were endorsed equally by Ben's comments. It is mind boggling how "un-caring" EK is to any feedback it gets on these shortcomings on the ground service. I have commented on it several times and - even as a Platinum twice over - did not ever even get the courtesy of a reply.

    LH/LX: been there, done that. And, yes, their ground service is fantastic with the personal escort to the cabin etc. HOWEVER, get away from JFK, MUC, ZRH, GVA, FRA and the level drops dramatically! As for in-flight service I consider EK superior to both LX and LH.

    To each his own, I guess.

  5. Fleece Johnson Guest

    Etihad is better. I flew Emirates from AUH-JFK and the lounge check in experience was not great. They did not mention the massage, so only if you knew about it could you get one. The male flight attendants sucked compared to the females in Etihad first and the service was not good. I was dissapointed.

    1. MissingScurrah Diamond

      While I can't comment on EY's F as I haven't flown it, I do agree about EK's lounge at DXB. I was lucky enough to fly their First once on a redemption, but the lounge service was a really poor way to start the trip. The reception staff similarly didn't mention anything about the complimentary massage, there was no "have you visited this lounge before?" or attempt to share any info about its facilities. When...

      While I can't comment on EY's F as I haven't flown it, I do agree about EK's lounge at DXB. I was lucky enough to fly their First once on a redemption, but the lounge service was a really poor way to start the trip. The reception staff similarly didn't mention anything about the complimentary massage, there was no "have you visited this lounge before?" or attempt to share any info about its facilities. When I asked, I was very bluntly directed to look at the map on the wall. That said, I had a terrific onboard experience that I couldn't really fault in any substantial way, but their lounge service definitely needs an improvement.

  6. Tom Guest

    It’s mostly fair feedback to be honest, speaking as an Emirates Platinum (who flies in First). It would be an easy, cost free improvement for Emirates to allow First / Platinum to board first. A couple of times they’ve done this in the LHR lounge recently but it’s not standard procedure. There is also no real reason there isn’t an F lounge section with a la carte dining at larger outstations like LHR, JFK, BKK,...

    It’s mostly fair feedback to be honest, speaking as an Emirates Platinum (who flies in First). It would be an easy, cost free improvement for Emirates to allow First / Platinum to board first. A couple of times they’ve done this in the LHR lounge recently but it’s not standard procedure. There is also no real reason there isn’t an F lounge section with a la carte dining at larger outstations like LHR, JFK, BKK, SIN etc, there are more than enough F equipped flights to justify it.

    The only significantly subpar parts of the Emirates First experience are the outstation lounges and boarding, though (plus Perrier for sparkling water and the coffee). I’d still take Emirates over Swiss given Swiss’s largely mediocre onboard product.

  7. Connect Guest

    Can't wait for this Swiss first class passenger to fly out of ORD and enjoy the exclusive lounge experience there

    1. TravelinWilly Diamond

      Gosh, no kidding, hopefully she doesn't grab stale cheese cubes to throw at the flight attendants after the ORD experience...

  8. Sam Guest

    It's unfortunate to take it out on flight crew. I was thinking more the opposite. I think it's nice to appreciate the staff especially during holiday times. When would be a good time to thank the crew with gift cards for a long-haul flight? Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

    1. Klaus_S Diamond

      Do you also distribute gift cards to nurses and doctors? What about call center agents? Do you dictate the gift card codes to them over the phone on Christmas Eve?
      Does the maintenance staff also deserve a gift? And customs officers, border guards, police officers, and our friends at the CDC are surely always happy to receive gifts...

    2. Klaus_S Diamond

      Okay. My answer is a bit blunt.
      I wouldn't consider tipping the crew, especially on a long-haul flight.

      But in principle, there are several approaches:
      1) Give it at the beginning of the flight, or 2) Give it after the flight when disembarking if the service was great, or 3) Give it during preparations for landing.

      I wouldn't do it at the beginning because you might send the message that you expect...

      Okay. My answer is a bit blunt.
      I wouldn't consider tipping the crew, especially on a long-haul flight.

      But in principle, there are several approaches:
      1) Give it at the beginning of the flight, or 2) Give it after the flight when disembarking if the service was great, or 3) Give it during preparations for landing.

      I wouldn't do it at the beginning because you might send the message that you expect special treatment.
      After landing, things get hectic and YOUR flight attendant might be at a different door.

      So I would give the card shortly before the seat belt signs light up. That gives the FA enough time to say thank you.

  9. Alonzo Diamond

    Ask loaded questions, get loaded answers. I mean, if I pay 15k+ in cash for a first class flight, I'm going on an epic fucking rant too. Worldstar worthy.

    1. AeroB13a Diamond

      Alonzo foul mouth ranter …. yes, you dipstick!
      I’m having my rant at you now, in public to illustrate how easy it is to make one’s point without resorting to the use of expletives.

      Why on earth do commentators allow themselves to be reduced to the lowest form of humanity, simply because they are anonymous? Beats me why Ben, has not slapped you down for lowering the tone of this website.

      Your “Epic...

      Alonzo foul mouth ranter …. yes, you dipstick!
      I’m having my rant at you now, in public to illustrate how easy it is to make one’s point without resorting to the use of expletives.

      Why on earth do commentators allow themselves to be reduced to the lowest form of humanity, simply because they are anonymous? Beats me why Ben, has not slapped you down for lowering the tone of this website.

      Your “Epic rant” is about as far from “Worldstar worth” as one can possibly get, don’t you know! You represent yourself as being a lowlife foul mouthed nobody, who could never dream of elevating oneself beyond the economy low cost carriers.

      Bad form old bean, don’t you know, yes?

    2. TravelinWilly Diamond

      What is “Worldstar?”

  10. E39 Diamond

    Given that she usually flies Swiss, of course anything else will disappoint

    1. Rusty Guest

      I agree except that Swiss’ hard on board product is inferior. I am looking forward to trying their new A350 experience next month.
      But yes, LX ground staff in BOS, ZRH and GVA tend to be quite good.

  11. Ross Guest

    Read the Emirates Conditions of Carriage. "Passengers agree that when a flight attendant asks them how their day is going, it is not intended to elicit any comments about the actual quality of service provided up to that point by Emirates, and to refrain from remarks that tend in that direction. Furthermore, First Class passengers are aware that Emirates has ten times as many seats as some competitors, and therefore should be expected to provide...

    Read the Emirates Conditions of Carriage. "Passengers agree that when a flight attendant asks them how their day is going, it is not intended to elicit any comments about the actual quality of service provided up to that point by Emirates, and to refrain from remarks that tend in that direction. Furthermore, First Class passengers are aware that Emirates has ten times as many seats as some competitors, and therefore should be expected to provide only 10% of comparable services."

  12. Randy Diamond

    She was obviously frustrated and I don't see anything wrong with her complaint. Based on what you say - I would be too. Not flown Emirates - so all I can say is WOW to such bad service. I have flown out of Dubia when Qantas code shared with them - so I have experienced the boarding from the First Lounge (or Business) via elevator direct to the plane. Of course others provide car service...

    She was obviously frustrated and I don't see anything wrong with her complaint. Based on what you say - I would be too. Not flown Emirates - so all I can say is WOW to such bad service. I have flown out of Dubia when Qantas code shared with them - so I have experienced the boarding from the First Lounge (or Business) via elevator direct to the plane. Of course others provide car service to the plane like LH, AF, etc. At least on Qantas (out of Syndey) you can get an escort to the gate and bypass the lines - QF has 14 F same as EK's 14.

    1. Name Guest

      It's JFK T4. Better than T1 but eh, JFK really sucks (in winter even more so).

  13. Andrew H. Guest

    I don't normally agree with ranting and raving about poor service BUT...she got your attention AND you wrote an article about so maybe there will be an improvement in the ground service.

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Klaus_S Diamond

Do you also distribute gift cards to nurses and doctors? What about call center agents? Do you dictate the gift card codes to them over the phone on Christmas Eve? Does the maintenance staff also deserve a gift? And customs officers, border guards, police officers, and our friends at the CDC are surely always happy to receive gifts...

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Ross Guest

Read the Emirates Conditions of Carriage. "Passengers agree that when a flight attendant asks them how their day is going, it is not intended to elicit any comments about the actual quality of service provided up to that point by Emirates, and to refrain from remarks that tend in that direction. Furthermore, First Class passengers are aware that Emirates has ten times as many seats as some competitors, and therefore should be expected to provide only 10% of comparable services."

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Andrew H. Guest

I don't normally agree with ranting and raving about poor service BUT...she got your attention AND you wrote an article about so maybe there will be an improvement in the ground service.

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