Say you’re traveling with friends or family, and you’re split between different cabins. Is it appropriate for someone in economy to visit someone in first class, for example?
Generally speaking, the rule is that you can visit guests in a “lower” cabin, but you can’t go up to a “higher” cabin to visit someone. The exact details of the policies vary by airline, but I don’t know of any airline that officially allows guests to visit someone in a higher cabin, at least as a rule. Let’s talk a bit more about why that’s a rule, and if there are any exceptions.
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Why can’t you visit passengers in a higher cabin?
On the most basic level, passengers pay extra to travel in first & business class so that they have more space and privacy, and that’s possible thanks to there being fewer people. If you start allowing visitors, that takes away from that, and potentially makes the environment less peaceful. Furthermore, when you have a person visiting, it’s much more likely that they’re going to be talking, and they could be noisy.
Admittedly there would be a difference between letting one guest visit for 10 minutes, and letting two guests visit for the entire flight. But the issue is that it’s a slippery slope. Should one guest be allowed? What about two? Or should it be as many as you can fit in your suite?
Should the guests be allowed to visit for five minutes? Five hours? The entire flight? Can they sleep at your seat if there’s room?
Should your guest be allowed to order food or drinks from the first class menu? What if it’s only water and packaged snacks?
As you can see, it’s just a very slippery slope, which is why airlines don’t generally allow this.
I think it’s also important to state that respect goes both ways when it comes to visiting others. If you visit someone in a lower cabin, you should still be respectful of other passengers, their personal space, etc. In other words, if your companion is in a window seat in economy, don’t hover over the person in the aisle seat, talking loudly to your companion for an hour.
Are there exceptions to this rule?
I know many people subscribe to the “it can’t hurt to ask” theory when traveling.
On a case-by-case basis, there are instances where I’ve seen the crew briefly allow guests in first class. For example, if parents are traveling in first class and kids in business class, I’ve seen the kids briefly come up to get something from their parents.
I’ve also sometimes seen crews take special care of those traveling in economy who are family members or friends of a first class passenger. And I’ve even seen them bring up those passengers before landing to allow them to deplane with the first class passenger. But that’s the exception rather than the rule.
First class crews on most top airlines are trained not to say no to first class passengers with any reasonable request, and you’re putting the crew in a very uncomfortable situation if you’re asking for a guest from a lower cabin to be allowed to visit. For example, picture the following scenario:
- A first class passenger asks the crew if someone could visit from economy
- The crew makes an exception and agrees, but says that the visit has to be limited to 15 minutes
- The first class passenger then isn’t considerate of the time, and after 15 minutes the crew has to remind the passenger from a lower cabin that they have to leave
- Then the first class passenger might become rude, even complain about how they’re not causing a disturbance, and perhaps threaten to complain to the airline
That’s probably why most crews will draw the line here, since they’re ultimately responsible for ensuring a relaxing experience for all guests, and there’s not much upside to breaking the rules.
Years ago I had the (dis)pleasure of sharing a Singapore Airlines 747 first class cabin between New York and Frankfurt with the former First Lady of Zimbabwe, Grace Mugabe. Her entourage (ranging from her assistants to her security detail) kept coming up from economy and business class. Suffice to say that the crew was put in an incredibly awkward situation, as her people just kind of bulldozed their way into first class. In fairness, she wasn’t sharing anything with passengers from other cabins — she wanted all the caviar for herself.
Everyone has a different tolerance for how much they’re willing to push boundaries. Personally this is an area where I wouldn’t want to put the crew in an uncomfortable position — if I were traveling with someone else I’d want to be in the same cabin, and if I weren’t, I’d meet in the lower cabin, in a way that’s still respectful to other passengers.
Can you change seats between cabins?
While it won’t help with letting people hang out together, I should note that some airlines allow you to trade seats between cabins, meaning that if you’re traveling with someone you could each spend half of the time in the premium cabin. As a general rule of thumb:
- You’ll always want to check with the crew first, and ask for their permission
- If you’re going to ask to switch, limit it to one switch per flight; don’t ask to trade every hour
- More premium airlines usually won’t allow this; for example, this might be allowed in domestic first class within the United States, but don’t expect this to be allowed in international first class
I think this is a perfectly reasonable request to make, though it’s also perfectly reasonable for a crew to deny it.
Bottom line
If you’re traveling with someone in a different cabin, it’s generally advisable for the person in the higher cabin to visit the person in the lower cabin, rather than the other way around. That’s because airlines market privacy and exclusivity around their premium products, and having extra people in those cabins can take away from that.
On a case-by-case basis crews may make exceptions, but that’s about it. You can ask, but also don’t be surprised if you’re denied. It ultimately puts the crew in an awkward situation, especially if there are other guests who may be put off by this.
What do you think airlines’ policies should be when it comes to visiting guests in a higher cabin?
I pay for J or F on every flight. Go away!
I flew from ZRH to YUL in Swiss First as I was upgraded at the gate due to overbooking (probably because I am LH SEN). Rest of my family was travelling in Business Class. During the flight just after the pre-arrival meal I kindly ask if one of my family members can join me for a quick coffee. Crew said it was no problem, she got the family member and some coffee for us and we had a coffee time for about 5 minutes.
I guess it’s a personal thing but when I travel with my husband (or anyone) we seldom talk on the plane. It’s nice to sit together and all, but I would see no need to “visit” someone if they were in a different cabin.
It can be equally annoying when people are traveling together in the same cabin but split up. I flew BA J LHR-LAX last month and there was a party of 6...
I guess it’s a personal thing but when I travel with my husband (or anyone) we seldom talk on the plane. It’s nice to sit together and all, but I would see no need to “visit” someone if they were in a different cabin.
It can be equally annoying when people are traveling together in the same cabin but split up. I flew BA J LHR-LAX last month and there was a party of 6 - all adults I might add, spread across cabin. They were constantly wandering and chatting with each other, blocking the aisle, etc. It was a daytime flight, but still a bit irritating.
Yes, but it's one thing if you live together with the other person and quite another if they're a colleague, or even a favourite cousin, that you only see every couple of years and want to make the most of the limited in-person time you have with them.
I flew DOH to HEL on Finnair once. We were stranded at the gate for nearly 3 hours, with no AC in the Middle East in August. Most of us were coming off short red eyes. I just wanted to eat and go to sleep and that wasn’t happening - so I had zero patience for what happened. The FAs made the mistake of letting someone from coach sit near their friend/family in biz while...
I flew DOH to HEL on Finnair once. We were stranded at the gate for nearly 3 hours, with no AC in the Middle East in August. Most of us were coming off short red eyes. I just wanted to eat and go to sleep and that wasn’t happening - so I had zero patience for what happened. The FAs made the mistake of letting someone from coach sit near their friend/family in biz while we were at the gate. The group seemed to think they owned the front cabin after that. I was awakened by the biz passenger yelling at the FAs when they wanted to throw out the main cabin passenger who was sleeping in biz. My biggest concern was that the FAs didn’t have control of the cabin. What would this group have done in an emergency? Rush to the front to all be together? Should NOT be allowed.
Buy the seat and cabin you want--and then stay there. [Whether you use cash, points, or a combination is irrelevant.]
If you want to talk/interact with others, buy seats next to each other in the same cabin. Leave your seat when you need to use the bathroom. [Do not climb over others/ask them to move unless necessary, and try to keep the aisles clear.]
Business/First passengers should stay in their cabin. The toilets in Business/First...
Buy the seat and cabin you want--and then stay there. [Whether you use cash, points, or a combination is irrelevant.]
If you want to talk/interact with others, buy seats next to each other in the same cabin. Leave your seat when you need to use the bathroom. [Do not climb over others/ask them to move unless necessary, and try to keep the aisles clear.]
Business/First passengers should stay in their cabin. The toilets in Business/First are for their exclusive use. No using the toilets in Economy if those in Business/First are occupied. Economy is already [over-]crowded. No visiting Economy. If your children need you, buy them seats next to you in the same cabin.
Economy passengers should stay in their cabin. The toilets in Economy are for their exclusive use. No using the toilets in Business/First. No visiting Business/First. If you want to spend time there, buy a Business/First ticket.
First class is such a niche product nowadays and some people book it specifically for the privacy. I suppose when you're Lionel Messi or Angela Merkel you 'll want to minimise the risk of having a constant stream of random people coming to talk to you, and reserving a seat in a very private cabin is a way of achieving that, so I can understand that both crew and passengers may feel very protective of...
First class is such a niche product nowadays and some people book it specifically for the privacy. I suppose when you're Lionel Messi or Angela Merkel you 'll want to minimise the risk of having a constant stream of random people coming to talk to you, and reserving a seat in a very private cabin is a way of achieving that, so I can understand that both crew and passengers may feel very protective of that privacy.
When it comes to business class, I don't think that there's such a big issue with privacy (after all, some of the widebody business cabins are enough and some of the regional configurations don't even come with a curtain), but it's more to do with protecting the integrity of the product in that they don't want to be perceived as giving away something that they normally sell for a hefty premium over the average Y fare. That's still a legitimate aim, obviously, but not really a concern for fellow pax who generally aren't there for the privacy and/or aren't expecting much of it.
Whenever I have been in that situation, I made sure to visit the other person(s) in the back in order to avoid any friction - not that I had been expecting much of it in the context of what have been shortish flights without great premium seating.
I may be misremembering but I believe BA does have an official policy allowing F pax to invite a guest for one drink.
I rarely travel with someone in a different cabin but JAL allowed me to do this on JFK-HND (I was in F and he in Y) and they let him sit with me for around 45 min and served us drinks and snacks.
No names, no pack drill ….
As a regular LHR-DEN-LHR traveler, it was not uncommon to be disturbed by small people (booked into economy class) who needed mum who was travelling in J (sometimes with a male companion). Unbelievable.
Worst of all, on one occasion an FA from economy asked mummy to attend to her unruly offspring. For her trouble, the FA received a foul mouthed tirade from the most unladylike J passenger and...
No names, no pack drill ….
As a regular LHR-DEN-LHR traveler, it was not uncommon to be disturbed by small people (booked into economy class) who needed mum who was travelling in J (sometimes with a male companion). Unbelievable.
Worst of all, on one occasion an FA from economy asked mummy to attend to her unruly offspring. For her trouble, the FA received a foul mouthed tirade from the most unladylike J passenger and told to go forth and multiply!
After a short while the Captain advised the passenger to apologise to the FA, attend to her monsters or face the wrath of the Denver Police. The vile mother did not return to her seat, thank you Captain.
I swapped with my daughter in PE when on LH F from MUC on the A380 so she could work - the crew was fine with that and I had a nice time chattig with her seat mates for the flight.
We had to switch back close to landing
Don't do it.
It is such a lame game. And that is what it is.. a game.
Even "kids visiting parents" should not be allowed. If the kid needs something, they can tell a coach FA, and the FA could go and get the parent. The parent can go back to coach.
In 1989 I was flying in first from JFK to Frankfurt on TWA. My travel companion was in coach. He walked up to see me and the flight attendant nicely said that I could go visit him, however, he could not visit me. As he was leaving the cabin he laughed and said that he paid more for his ticket then I did. I was on miles, he was not. Decades later he and I still laugh about this!
I know the FA on that flight. She booted your friend out and laughed and said nice try. Decades later she and I still laugh about this!
There is a good reason not to encourage visiting. Turbulence. Unsecured visitors are a risk to themselves and those buckled in their seats. Clear air turbulence can happen without warning. Better safe than sorry.
I’m in favor of banning lower class passengers from visiting upper class patrons. Much in the same way that, when dining in a restaurant with a reservation, I forbid acquaintances (—I no longer have friends—) who spot me from the bar or an unreserved table in the restaurant from approaching me at my reserved table in order to say hello. My practice has had the accumulated benefit of not needing to process as many greeting...
I’m in favor of banning lower class passengers from visiting upper class patrons. Much in the same way that, when dining in a restaurant with a reservation, I forbid acquaintances (—I no longer have friends—) who spot me from the bar or an unreserved table in the restaurant from approaching me at my reserved table in order to say hello. My practice has had the accumulated benefit of not needing to process as many greeting cards and invitations as I used to receive. If you wish to speak to me at a restaurant, you must either be on my reservation or reserve your own table next to mine. Otherwise, the unreserved should keep a respectable distance from all reserved tables. It’s the natural order. Sincerely yours, Archduke Feukhoff.
Feukhoff Mr Feukhoff.
Early in the summer, I traveled in first class on LH, BOS-MUC. There was a group of 4 in first class section of the lounge. Three ended up in First, the one woman was in economy or PE - her seat was in the lower level of the A380. She came up for an hour and hung out with the rest of the group. Given I was flying on points (as I bet they were),...
Early in the summer, I traveled in first class on LH, BOS-MUC. There was a group of 4 in first class section of the lounge. Three ended up in First, the one woman was in economy or PE - her seat was in the lower level of the A380. She came up for an hour and hung out with the rest of the group. Given I was flying on points (as I bet they were), I didn’t give it much thought - I was just thrilled to be in First. Like me, I feel like these guys were on points too. Seeing they occupied three F seats and had one visitor for an hour - seemed ok to me. On the other hand, If I had paid full boat, I’d probably be a little miffed.
“ If I had paid full boat, I’d probably be a little miffed.”
But you did pay “full boat,” you just used points instead of a national currency. You should not accept lower service standards because you used award points.
That sounds annoying…sitting in separate cabins is likely a choice…if you need to be together, downgrade yourself or upgrade everyone else. And being separated for hours is unlikely to hurt anybody. Time apart is good for everyone! :-p
I lived in the Middle East in Abu Dhabi and many times when flying Etihad first class to the US or Europe there would be locals in first and their helpers/ staff would be in economy. Too many times the helpers/ servants from economy would be up in the first class cabin the entire flight with their employers, basically running interference between them and the flight attendants, serving them, attending to them, etc. it was...
I lived in the Middle East in Abu Dhabi and many times when flying Etihad first class to the US or Europe there would be locals in first and their helpers/ staff would be in economy. Too many times the helpers/ servants from economy would be up in the first class cabin the entire flight with their employers, basically running interference between them and the flight attendants, serving them, attending to them, etc. it was disruptive to other pax but the flight attendants didn't do a thing about it.