As we all know, the Trump administration has operated hundreds of deportation flights in the past couple of months, to destinations like Colombia, Guatemala, and Honduras. 85% of these flights have been operated by charter airlines, with GlobalX having the biggest government contract.
Outlet ProPublica has just published a story about the reality of what flight attendants on these flights are dealing with, and I think it provides some fascinating insights (thanks to @xJonNYC for flagging this).
I’m not trying to debate the ethics or legality of these deportation flights (there are other venues for that), but rather, I think it’s interesting to learn about the reality of the situation from those working these flights. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was curious how this works.
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GlobalX flight attendants are miserable, feel misled
GlobalX is a US charter carrier. While the airline was initially hoping to largely transport sports teams and the like, GlobalX’s biggest business has become government contracts, in particular, for deportation flights. So most of these are “ICE Air” flights, as they’re commonly referred to (with “ICE” being the acronym for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement).
Seven different current and former GlobalX flight attendants spoke to ProPublica about their experience working for the airline, and there are some interesting details.
To start, when the flight attendants applied to work at GlobalX, they describe it as a startup that had big plans, and flight attendants were reportedly sold on the concept of working flights with VIP clients, like musicians and sports teams, and flying to fun destinations, particularly in the Caribbean. An ad from the company stated that “you can’t beat the eXperience.” As a flight attendant explains:
“In the beginning, we were told that because it’s a charter, it’s only gonna be elites, celebrities. Everybody was really excited.”
However, flight attendants then found the reality of their jobs to be quite different. The company reportedly informed employees of this in a nonchalant way, telling them that the company secured a government charter contract.
But then they quickly found that they’d be working deportation flights five days per week. These flights generally have 100+ detainees, more than a dozen private security guards, a single ICE officer, and two nurses. A disgruntled employee reportedly sent an email to the entire company in 2024, expressing shock at the direction:
“WHERE IS THE COMPANY GOING? YOU SIGNED A 5 YEAR CONTRACT WITH ICE? … WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS BECOMING A PRESTIGE CHARTER AIRLINE?”
So, what’s the experience of working these flights like?
- Flight attendants are instructed not to interact with the detainees, and not to even acknowledge their existence, or mutter a word; they can’t even walk down the aisle without a security guard
- The extent of the functions that the flight attendants perform is that they arm and disarm the doors, and do a safety demonstration at the beginning of the flight in English
- During the flight, flight attendants are just supposed to sit in passenger seats (not near the aisle, so they don’t get grabbed), look out the window, and do nothing
- Flight attendants report getting in trouble for telling the guards what to do, like asking them to fasten their seatbelts before landing; one guard reportedly filed a complaint against a flight attendant for that, and then the company sent an email asking something like “why are you guys causing problems?”
Flight attendants don’t know how to evacuate deportation flights
The single biggest complaint that GlobalX flight attendants have with these flights involves safety. Flight attendants are primarily there for passenger safety, yet GlobalX flight attendants haven’t received training regarding how they’re supposed to evacuate passengers who are chained, in the event of an emergency. They haven’t received this from the ICE Air handbook, FAA regulations, or from their own training.
Passengers who are chained aren’t considered to be “able-bodied,” and aren’t even allowed to sit in exit rows. So how are flight attendants supposed to evacuate a plane in line with the FAA’s 90-second rule? As three different GlobalX flight attendants describe this:
- “They never taught us anything regarding the immigration flights. They didn’t tell us these people were going to be shackled, wrists to f*cking ankles.”
- “We have never gotten a clear answer on what we do in an ICE Air evacuation. They will not give us an answer.”
- “It’s only a matter of time.”
This isn’t just a theoretical issue. Between 2014 and 2019, deportation flights had at least six accidents or incidents that required evacuation. In at least two of those incidents, untrained guards led the evacuation, rather than flight attendants.
In one of the cases, it took seven minutes for the shackled detainees to evacuate the smoke-filled jet. An ICE officer on that flight wrote that they were “confused on what to do and in which direction to exit during distress,” and noted that other than the flight crew, “no one has received any training on emergency evacuation situations.” That apparently hasn’t changed.
Bottom line
I’ve known that GlobalX operates most of the government’s deportation flights. However, I was long curious what it was like for flight attendants, so this story provides some really interesting insights.
Long story short, GlobalX flight attendants sound like they’re miserable. They’re working flights where they’re not even allowed to acknowledge passengers, and they also have safety concerns, since they don’t know how they’d evacuate a plane in an emergency.
I suspect the reality of these flights is something that the government would prefer to sweep under the rug. But it sure seems like there are some problematic details here…
What do you make of this story about GlobalX flight attendants?
I'm sorry but this is such a womp womp moment. Flight attendants disappointed that they are not flight attendants for VIPs or living the high life? You know you can quit right? For deportation flights their jobs are even easier than most FAs on Commercial Airlines. No meal service, no customer service required and no bozo customers throwing a tantrum because you didn't turn up 0.0001 seconds after they hit the bell.
"They’re working flights where they’re not even allowed to acknowledge passengers..."
How is this any different from AA FA's?
What if the Flight Attendants all quit the job??
Getting paid to just sit there while also doing a great service for the country. Sounds like a great job!!! Where do I sign up!!!!!
No human rights... how cruel to miss the point. You are not the one I want opening the window exit on my flight. You are , in my opinion, the one who would be the first to climb over others to save yourself.
GlobalX has been flying for ICE since it got certified in 2021, and the major contract was secured under the previous administration. Funny how the media largely ignored the program until now.
Notwithstanding all the legitimate safety issues, the prior administration actually FOLLOWED DUE PROCESS when deporting people instead circumventing the courts to send them to an El Salvadoran prison for cash reimbursement.
I agree with you - it was radio silence on the safety concerns for 10+ years though.
Not necessarily. Google has a short memory these days, but it's possible to find papers documenting such things: https://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1590&context=faculty_publications
The paper cites numerous news articles detailing ICE agents using drugs to sedate detainees, forcing some detainees into full-body straight-jacket restraints, prior to them getting on the plane:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-oct-10-me-sedate10-story.html
https://legacy.tyt.com/2018/08/16/ice-orders-dozens-of-straitjacket-like-restraints/
While the focus of the articles is the actual human rights abuse (none of that stuff is necessary), it's quite obvious that those actions...
Not necessarily. Google has a short memory these days, but it's possible to find papers documenting such things: https://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1590&context=faculty_publications
The paper cites numerous news articles detailing ICE agents using drugs to sedate detainees, forcing some detainees into full-body straight-jacket restraints, prior to them getting on the plane:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-oct-10-me-sedate10-story.html
https://legacy.tyt.com/2018/08/16/ice-orders-dozens-of-straitjacket-like-restraints/
While the focus of the articles is the actual human rights abuse (none of that stuff is necessary), it's quite obvious that those actions would also cause safety issues if an aircraft needed to be evacuated.
I suspect that many of the 'illegal' deportees were cutting grass, picking fruit, working on farms, looking after babies, housekeeping, caring for the aged, baking cakes, flipping hamburgers, cleaning sidewalks, emptying toilets, etc., etc. while a guest of Uncle Sam. Who will do these jobs now? Paid less than minimum wage. Really? Good luck with finding replacements, America!
Trump purportedly wants to rid the US of drug gangs. It is true that there are...
I suspect that many of the 'illegal' deportees were cutting grass, picking fruit, working on farms, looking after babies, housekeeping, caring for the aged, baking cakes, flipping hamburgers, cleaning sidewalks, emptying toilets, etc., etc. while a guest of Uncle Sam. Who will do these jobs now? Paid less than minimum wage. Really? Good luck with finding replacements, America!
Trump purportedly wants to rid the US of drug gangs. It is true that there are bad apples amongst these people but the vast majority of individuals responsible for the drug woes of the US are actually Americans born and bred. This is a big show put on by Trump and his predecessors (Obama was worse, a fact kept under wraps by the NYT and other such media). Predictably there are horror stories coming back from Bukele's mega jails of innocents caught in this mayhem.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! In a couple of years the US will be begging Latin Americans to take a trip north to fix its broken economy, hobbled social welfare system, and collapsing agriculture. This is nothing but an attempt by bitter white losers to game the system to their advantage, whatever the price. And, believe you me, there will be a price to pay for ordinary Americans. Far better for the US to declare an amnesty for tax paying, law abiding 'aliens' and make them part of the solution. Open the front door wide and you can close the back door!
LOL, 'illegal' deportees cutting grass, picking fruit, working on farms, looking after babies, housekeeping, caring for the aged, baking cakes, flipping hamburgers, cleaning sidewalks, emptying toilets, etc., etc
Not a problem.
Americans will do these job.
Except they will be unionized, doing half the work, while being paid triple, not including health benefits, and go on strike every few years.
You end up paying 10x more for the same thing.
What an American dream.
Being told NOT to interact with the 'pax' means they can sit around and drink coffee in the galley and play cards, and still get paid. WTF are these queens complaining about??? Most workers would rejoice at being told to sit back, relax and forget about doing their primary duty, while still being paid!
They should hire Nicolas Cage or Tommy Lee Jones.
Skip Samuel L Jackson and Snoop Dog.
Sounds like the flight attendants should look for a new job if they don't like the work...
The airline should increase flights into San Salvador...
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This site is such a click-bait cesspool at this point. Just disgusting.
Ben sends his thanks. Every click counts and you're here.
The bait still works.
One point is constantly skipped over or ignored.
If these detainees wanted to they had the option of self deporting. They could have done so and traveled unrestrained. Once they became the problem and expense of the USA, they travel restrained.
If we look closer at some examples, we might have to accept we've been lied to about how it all works. The law should be followed by those claiming to enforce laws and they should be damn sure that's what's happening by taking the time to follow the law.
https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-deportation-maryland-man-trump-error-818a0fa1218de714448edcb5be1f7347
Great (and true) detail that I had completely forgot. Had I been here illegally, I probably would have taken note.
Dr. Stan
https://youtube.com/shorts/I5dfzEJulPk
https://youtube.com/shorts/I5dfzEJulPk
If you'd read it, you'd know they were here legally. Maybe you'll watch but paid trolls aren't allowed to open links, so probably not. Maybe actual Americans will, though!
This is a site for discussion of airline travel trends. The point of this post is flight attendants who are on the flights described should have better information on how to evacuate passengers from the plane for the safety of the passengers. Please use other fora to draw the battle lines of your second Civil War.
Is this the same airline that the previous administration flew hundreds of thousands of illegals into our country in the middle of the night?
Turn off Fox News sweetie, your brain rot is on display.
Biden deported more people in his first year than Trump did during his first TERM, but you aren't ready for that conversation. Take your conspiracy BS somewhere else.
Former GlobalX pilot here. The whole "importing" conspiracy is just hilarious. We moved migrants around the country between processing & detention centers and ran deportations, but we never brought people IN.
The flights that people claimed were bringing people "in" were the return legs of deportation flights.
As for the claims made in this report - we run plenty of sport/VIP charters. We fly in Europe during the summer, Cuba/Caribbean flying every day, and collegiate...
Former GlobalX pilot here. The whole "importing" conspiracy is just hilarious. We moved migrants around the country between processing & detention centers and ran deportations, but we never brought people IN.
The flights that people claimed were bringing people "in" were the return legs of deportation flights.
As for the claims made in this report - we run plenty of sport/VIP charters. We fly in Europe during the summer, Cuba/Caribbean flying every day, and collegiate charters each season. You need consistent flying to cover the fixed overhead of the company. For wide body carriers, it's military work, for narrow bodies its ICE for the supplemental outfits, or scheduled operations (IE Sun Country, Avelo, Breeze, Allegiant).
Ben, you really need to consider turning off guest commenting.
Why? So Ben can lose ad revenue from fewer impressions, just so he can satisfy some douche anon commenter named “breathesrain”?
Listen to your own entitlement, ass.
and esp. anyone that dares challenge that person's inaccurate and illogical statements
and esp. anyone that dares challenge earnings call and illogical DOT data.
and esp. esp. esp. esp. anyone that dares challenge Delta.
Exactly. We really don't need to be encouraging douche anon commenters who don't even have an account on the site.
Incredibly, I was able to post that with an email that wasn't even verified in any way.
lol, now that post replying to the guest poster who was dissing you (that I was referring to) went away. Ya, the guest posting is a huge problem, really takes the quality of the site down an order of magnitude.
Non-political take: ICE agents should be cross trained in safety and FAs shouldn’t be on these flights. But then they might complain that they don’t have jobs.
Actually a good take. If these people belong in detention facilities (IF, not my opinion) then these flight attendants should only work if they're qualified to work at detention facilities.
"If these people belong in detention facilities (IF, not my opinion) then these flight attendants should only work if they're qualified to work at detention facilities."
This transport is for a civil matter not that much different than a traffic ticket.
I agree- take the FAs off. If they're really that miserable they won't mind at all.
Their employer is at fault for not getting a proper SOW. That being said sometimes you take a job and you think it's going to be a dream career/job and it turns out to suck, really bad. It's happen to me twice. What to do? Use your experience and apply at another airline. Life isn't always easy.
It's likely the employer *did* get a proper SOW and that they failed to communicate the correct details to prospective staff.
Do flight attendants typically have at will employment?
I have been on commercial international flights that have had shackled, accompanied prisoners for deportation under Red and Blue team administrations.
Non-violent deportees are not shackled. If you have been charged w/ a violent crime, which is the focus of ICE arrest deportation efforts, they will be shackled - just as they were imprisoned before deportation.
Non-violent prisoners are not necessarily imprisoned or shackled.
It's not a difficult concept to understand the concept...
I have been on commercial international flights that have had shackled, accompanied prisoners for deportation under Red and Blue team administrations.
Non-violent deportees are not shackled. If you have been charged w/ a violent crime, which is the focus of ICE arrest deportation efforts, they will be shackled - just as they were imprisoned before deportation.
Non-violent prisoners are not necessarily imprisoned or shackled.
It's not a difficult concept to understand the concept for those are interested in facts.
ICE has been carrying out deportation operations including by air for years.
If there are shackled prisoners onboard, there are officers accompanying them.
"These flights generally have 100+ detainees, more than a dozen private security guards, a single ICE officer, and two nurses."
The back of a police car - for deportees or domestic arrestees - is more dangerous than on an aircraft since there is a higher risk of an accident in a car and the accompanying officer is on the other side of a barrier
The linked article explicitly describes how all detainees are restrained, regardless of offense. You might be operating from older information.
Most of the migrants crowding the back seats of ICE Air’s planes have not been, historically, convicted criminals. ICE makes restraints mandatory nonetheless. “Detainees transported by ICE Air aircraft will be fully restrained by the use of handcuffs, waist chains, and leg irons,“ reads an unredacted version of the 2015 ICE Air Operations Handbook,...
The linked article explicitly describes how all detainees are restrained, regardless of offense. You might be operating from older information.
Most of the migrants crowding the back seats of ICE Air’s planes have not been, historically, convicted criminals. ICE makes restraints mandatory nonetheless. “Detainees transported by ICE Air aircraft will be fully restrained by the use of handcuffs, waist chains, and leg irons,“ reads an unredacted version of the 2015 ICE Air Operations Handbook, which was obtained by the Center for Constitutional Rights, a legal advocacy group.
first, you do realize that the US President in 2015 was from the Blue Team and there have been a series of Red and Blue team presidents since that manual came out?
The notion that procedures are any different now than they were for years of ICE operations is simply incorrevt.
second, restrained can include simply handcuffed. it is simply factually incorrect that 100% of the passengers on Global X flights are in "...
first, you do realize that the US President in 2015 was from the Blue Team and there have been a series of Red and Blue team presidents since that manual came out?
The notion that procedures are any different now than they were for years of ICE operations is simply incorrevt.
second, restrained can include simply handcuffed. it is simply factually incorrect that 100% of the passengers on Global X flights are in " handcuffs, waist chains, and leg irons"
third, it is hard to believe these FAs that would love to give onboard service are confused as to how they could do much for anyone if everyone is 100% handcuffed or shackled? would you like to tell us what onboard service an FA can give to someone that is entirely restrained?
"Non-violent prisoners are not necessarily imprisoned or shackled."
This may have been true in the past but we know law-abiding residents are most definitely being imprisoned and transported while shackled now. See: Franco José Caraballo, Barber; Andry, Makeup Artist; Jerce Reyes Barrios, Pro-Soccer Player. All here legally and all now in an El Salvadorian hellhole. These are not the only ones, of course, just ones in the news.
Arguments in favor of rapid, mass deportation...
"Non-violent prisoners are not necessarily imprisoned or shackled."
This may have been true in the past but we know law-abiding residents are most definitely being imprisoned and transported while shackled now. See: Franco José Caraballo, Barber; Andry, Makeup Artist; Jerce Reyes Barrios, Pro-Soccer Player. All here legally and all now in an El Salvadorian hellhole. These are not the only ones, of course, just ones in the news.
Arguments in favor of rapid, mass deportation are being made by people either willfully ignorant or intentionally deceptive. Forbes has been covering the reality.
first, anecdotes do not define totality, regardless of the subject being discussed.
second, I am not making a statement of support or opposition one way or another about the current leader's immigration and deportation policies. I am discussing the facts of this article.
third, I am still am waiting for someone to explain to me what kind of service FAs expect to be able to deliver if 100% of passengers are shackled and the whole 9 yards.
You made a declarative that non-violent criminals are not shackled or imprisoned. Verified false. Your inability to accept factual information by dismissing it as anecdotal betrays your support.
FAs would like to treat these passengers as fellow human beings by being permitted to speak to them, look at them, and ensure their safety in emergency. They would also appreciate being treated with professional respect by agents of ICE. Hope that helps.
you mean that YOU decided to dismiss the facts you don't like.
Please provide proof to me that 100% of passengers on ALL Global X flights operating for ICE use handcuffs, waist chains, and leg irons,
"In accordance with the Use of Restraints policy, policy number 11155.1, Section 5.10, effective November 19, 2012, detainees transported by ICE Air aircraft will be fully restrained by the use of Authorized Restraint Devices; i.e., handcuffs, waist chains, and leg irons during CONUS and OCONUS flights. Detainees will not be delivered to the airlift in any type of restraint that necessitates removal prior to the detainee boarding
the aircraft. Flight security personnel will restrain...
"In accordance with the Use of Restraints policy, policy number 11155.1, Section 5.10, effective November 19, 2012, detainees transported by ICE Air aircraft will be fully restrained by the use of Authorized Restraint Devices; i.e., handcuffs, waist chains, and leg irons during CONUS and OCONUS flights. Detainees will not be delivered to the airlift in any type of restraint that necessitates removal prior to the detainee boarding
the aircraft. Flight security personnel will restrain any individual aboard an ICE Air flight who poses a threat to the safety of the mission. ICE-approved handcuffs and leg irons (Hiatt, S&W, Peerless, etc.) will
be applied in accordance with ICE policy and procedures. Series 400 Peerless are not to be used. All cuffs should have the correct right and left side in their construction. Many inexpensive cuffs have two right sides cuffs attached with a chain, but there should be a mirror image relationship. All restraints will be applied with double bars, locking pins up, and keyholes forward. The FOIC will have final decision as to the use of restraints. (The Use of Restraints on minors is described in the Juvenile Section.)." https://www.ice.gov/node/66716
From the report this article summarizes:
"Because ICE, GlobalX and other charter carriers did not respond to questions after being provided with detailed lists of this story’s findings, the flight attendants’ individual accounts are hard to verify. But their stories are consistent with one another. They are also generally consistent with what has been said about ICE Air in legal filings, news accounts, academic research and publicly released copies of the ICE Air Operations Handbook."
https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-ice-air-deportation-flights
Regardless of party, all Americans should be upset over violations of Constitutionally protected rights. That protection includes every human on U.S. soil, regardless of nationality, though violations against law-abiding, lawfully-admitted individuals are exceptionally outrageous.
Tim, There's nothing quite as amusing as you coming out as illogical MAGA that doesn't care about facts.
Can't say it surprises anyone since your ignorance of facts and data is well-documented, but you sure do enjoy opening your mouth when it should just be kept shut when proved wrong.
Is your life really this sad to come make declarative statements that aren't true then come back to defend them showing how logic has...
Tim, There's nothing quite as amusing as you coming out as illogical MAGA that doesn't care about facts.
Can't say it surprises anyone since your ignorance of facts and data is well-documented, but you sure do enjoy opening your mouth when it should just be kept shut when proved wrong.
Is your life really this sad to come make declarative statements that aren't true then come back to defend them showing how logic has no place in your mind? G
God, you're a sad little man.
the only thing I am committed to is logic, not politics or any side.
You can't stand to admit that a single person has yet to prove in real life that every passenger on every Global X flight operated for ICE not only was fully restrained during the Obama, 1st Trump and Biden administrations and yet trots out laws that say that is what is SUPPOSED to be done.
Absent proof that EVERY PASSENGER on...
the only thing I am committed to is logic, not politics or any side.
You can't stand to admit that a single person has yet to prove in real life that every passenger on every Global X flight operated for ICE not only was fully restrained during the Obama, 1st Trump and Biden administrations and yet trots out laws that say that is what is SUPPOSED to be done.
Absent proof that EVERY PASSENGER on every Global X flight was fully restrained before Trump 2 AND NOW, they want to argue that Trump is now doing something that was set as procedure - if not law.
And, neither pain in the backside Jane nor anyone else is capable of answering the question of what in-flight service Global X FAs thought they were going to provide IF every passenger was fully restrained.
It's logic that decimates the pathetic arguments that some people make and I am not about ready to stop
Complaining air hostesses have become tedious. Don’t like the job? Go find a different job. There are plenty of air hostess jobs. It’s a very low-skilled job that requires little training. No one’s forcing you to do the job.
“Con-Air” flights have been going on for decades. If they were not considered reasonably safe, they would not be still operating. Would people prefer this kind of passenger be transported unshackled in C-17s with dozens...
Complaining air hostesses have become tedious. Don’t like the job? Go find a different job. There are plenty of air hostess jobs. It’s a very low-skilled job that requires little training. No one’s forcing you to do the job.
“Con-Air” flights have been going on for decades. If they were not considered reasonably safe, they would not be still operating. Would people prefer this kind of passenger be transported unshackled in C-17s with dozens of armed guards at the ready?
"Cons" like the barber, makeup artist, or professional soccer player with no criminal record and legal residency?
"Move fast and break stuff" usually does.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/03/24/what-to-know-about-andry-31-year-old-makeup-artist-falsely-deported-to-el-salvador-prison-lawyer-says/
Seriously ? low skilled job ? can you evacuate a wide body, deliver a baby ?, feed 300 people in 3 different service classes and deal with assholes like you in a diplomatic manner with being fluent in at least 2 languages ?
Thought not
back in your dark corner
Funny not funny. But what would the FA's talk with the migrants about?
"What are you in here for?"
"Do you expect to visit the US again soon?"
"Are you interested in one of our credit cards with a generous sign up bonus?"
Real talk, they need to take the handcuffs off the migrants and film the flight. TLC or Bravo can broadcast the series.
oh. I don't know. Safety related items? Like the girl mentioned in the article with an asthma attack that her parents knew about?
It's one thing to want illegal immigrants deported. There are comments to be had there, but this dehumanization of them is unnecessary.
You and many others are about to realize how many low paid jobs are unfilled when ~8M people are deported as the administration claims to want. It's fun to...
oh. I don't know. Safety related items? Like the girl mentioned in the article with an asthma attack that her parents knew about?
It's one thing to want illegal immigrants deported. There are comments to be had there, but this dehumanization of them is unnecessary.
You and many others are about to realize how many low paid jobs are unfilled when ~8M people are deported as the administration claims to want. It's fun to suggest "oh. Higher wages will cover this." but it's quite another when higher wages do cover it and we all pay double and triple the price for basic food items.
Low paid jobs? Yes, like the undocumented , illegal Ubereats delivery workers that flooded Lower Manhattan. Quite often they failed to deliver the meals and falsified results by photographing the bag on a counter. Uber as a policy does not honor undelivered claims and I went hungry.
Not only were these workers illegal but they stole from me. There was a lot of funny stuff going on.
Was everyone here aware that Global X also did evacuation flights out of Kabul?
I'd be curious to know if those flights had flight attendants because that seems A LOT more dangerous than removing restrained criminals who are guarded.
These flights are perfect for American Airlines (and others) flight attendants with a lot of seniority who give lousy service. Just sit there during the flight!
Seems like the FA hate the job because they hate brown skinned people that are being deported. Sounds racist.
LOL
This must be frightening for the flight attendants. Without a clear plan their lives are at risk also. In an emergency, stepping aside while lives perish would be unthinkable for most.
Putting aside whether you agree with the deportations. It really does seem like a massive safety risk to have people shackled and unable to rapidly move on a plane in the event of an emergency. How does this work when transporting criminals in the continental US in general?
The whole idea of deporting people in shackles is absurd in the first place. I've been on plenty of (ex-EU) flights where some deportee was on board. Depending on the risk assesment, they were either boarded as a normal passenger with a border guard watching the door until the plane has left, or they had a policeman sitting next to them on board.
99% of these people don't have a violent history, nor do they...
The whole idea of deporting people in shackles is absurd in the first place. I've been on plenty of (ex-EU) flights where some deportee was on board. Depending on the risk assesment, they were either boarded as a normal passenger with a border guard watching the door until the plane has left, or they had a policeman sitting next to them on board.
99% of these people don't have a violent history, nor do they pose any risk for others and it's absurd to treat them this way. That should be reserved for actual criminals (and even then just a very small subset of them).
Very risky to not restrain the deportees.
I have been on thousands of flights and never been in an evacuation so the risk is very low.
How do you know that 99% have no violent history? That seems unlikely. I doubt that 100% are violent, but I also doubt that it is 1%. Furthermore, I would imagine that close to 100% would prefer not to be taking this trip, so there needs to be some restraint, even for the non-violent passengers, just in case. I do agree with the FAs that they need to know how to handle an emergency situation...
How do you know that 99% have no violent history? That seems unlikely. I doubt that 100% are violent, but I also doubt that it is 1%. Furthermore, I would imagine that close to 100% would prefer not to be taking this trip, so there needs to be some restraint, even for the non-violent passengers, just in case. I do agree with the FAs that they need to know how to handle an emergency situation with restrained passengers. But I suspect they should be glad that at least some of these individuals are chained for their own safety.
@GACrank
Most likely have no violent history because the people with violent histories are not the people requesting asylum in the US and showing up for their immigration court hearings. If it was so easy to remove actual violent gang members, Trump would have gotten rid of all of them in his first term. Now, he's trying to look like he's doing something by circumventing the courts and just abritrarily deporting day workers he...
@GACrank
Most likely have no violent history because the people with violent histories are not the people requesting asylum in the US and showing up for their immigration court hearings. If it was so easy to remove actual violent gang members, Trump would have gotten rid of all of them in his first term. Now, he's trying to look like he's doing something by circumventing the courts and just abritrarily deporting day workers he picked up in front of Home Depot and people with legal asylum status, completely skipping the due process that all of them were entitled to.
"The whole idea of deporting people in shackles is absurd in the first place. I've been on plenty of (ex-EU) flights where some deportee was on board."
So this was a flight where a deportee count was one or two?
"Depending on the risk assesment, they were either boarded as a normal passenger with a border guard watching the door until the plane has left, or they had a policeman sitting next to them on...
"The whole idea of deporting people in shackles is absurd in the first place. I've been on plenty of (ex-EU) flights where some deportee was on board."
So this was a flight where a deportee count was one or two?
"Depending on the risk assesment, they were either boarded as a normal passenger with a border guard watching the door until the plane has left, or they had a policeman sitting next to them on board."
We that won't work as if a flight was majority deportees, the other half would need to be guards.
F*ck everybody who voted for the monster of the current U.S. administration. F*ck the barbarians who are okay with this and may these evil a-holes die slow and painful deaths.
Open up the borders. Hey Elon you want to cut spending? Abolish ICE. Nonsensical to delineate artificial borders to keep out members of our own species.
If you are a Republican F*CK YOU AND DIE
Give me a good reason... what is wrong to remove illegal migrants, especially the violent ones? Why would you open the borders freely? Not only do these ILLEGAL migrants violate US laws, commit crimes, they consume resources that could be used for our own people. Are you for crime and sin? Are you so devious, one with Satan?
Read about Nelson and Gladys Gonalez. Living in the US for 35 years, he’s a phlebotomist. They reported to the authorities in a timely manner. Arrested, separated and flown shackled to detention centres in different states where they remained for weeks before being sent to Colombia.
Aside from the information about them, were they here legally?
Actually, Al, the majority of illegal immigrants are law abiding when in the US, and commit less crimes than their US counterparts. Also, the majority of them pay taxes, and thus, contribute more to the US financially than they take.
Yes I am one with Satan! How dare I have compassion. Enjoy your delusions.
No one is against removing violent illegal immigrants, including the previous administrations. What people are against is there is no due process and we deporting legal immigrants which include green card holder even for non-violent offenses and first amendment speech they don't like.
Are you against due process? deporting legal immigrants? and against the first amendment?
"What people are against is there is no due process"
>When we apply due process to Canadians and British committing visa fraud:
"Why is due process taking longer than a week?"
"we deporting legal immigrants which include green card holder even for non-violent offenses"
>DUI is a non-violent offense. Try driving while drunk in Canada or the UK, smashing into a parked car, then claiming you have a human right to remain in the...
"What people are against is there is no due process"
>When we apply due process to Canadians and British committing visa fraud:
"Why is due process taking longer than a week?"
"we deporting legal immigrants which include green card holder even for non-violent offenses"
>DUI is a non-violent offense. Try driving while drunk in Canada or the UK, smashing into a parked car, then claiming you have a human right to remain in the said country.
"first amendment speech they don't like."
So you would have an issue with those entering on tourist visas being denied entry to the US if they stated the purpose of their trip was to spread White Nationalist propaganda?
"Why is due process taking longer than a week?"
- Bro I'm talking about shipping people to slave labour camps. Not a one week visa approval
"DUI is a non-violent offense."
I'm talking about people whose only crime is being in America. Not someone who criminally endangers lives. Seriously you think illegal entry warrants forced labour?
"Issue with those entering on tourist visas"
We are talking about permanent residents being removed...
"Why is due process taking longer than a week?"
- Bro I'm talking about shipping people to slave labour camps. Not a one week visa approval
"DUI is a non-violent offense."
I'm talking about people whose only crime is being in America. Not someone who criminally endangers lives. Seriously you think illegal entry warrants forced labour?
"Issue with those entering on tourist visas"
We are talking about permanent residents being removed for first amendment issues. Not about tourists or people entering the country...
How many big law names to you use? Just curious.
The fake lawyer approves your comment
Davis - you really need to get some professional help. Mentally healthy people don't react this way just because their party/candidate lost an election.
For your own sake, please see a doctor who can help you get over your anger issues.
Your response to Davis’ comment is rude.
A nation is allowed to have borders. Why don't you try to cross into some countries with a passport and see how that works out for you. But your last comment tells us you are not a reasonable person so I expect my comment not to result in a reasonable discussion of immigration and borders.
One is aware that today is the 1st of April. Furthermore Davis, please be assured that you are the sickest April Fool joke which I have read today.
Go and wash your mouth out with some of Mr Trump’s carbolic soap. Thereafter, have yourself committed for a full mental evaluation.
@Aero
Hi Tim! Even your alter egos are MAGA lol.
More than happy to send all the gang members, murderers and rapist to your community.
You're welcome to join your friends on that deportation flight. I'd happily pay the freight. Pendejo.
You sound like a vatnik playing the role of unhinged "leftist" to convince people that anyone questioning disgraceful and unconstitutional actions shares your mindset. That idea is absolutely false, in case anyone believes this person represents more than one deranged mind.
Another violent liberal, I see. Go burn a Tesla, you'll feel better.
Did you stop using Skadden as a name because of their shameful capitulation alongside Paul Weiss?
I would also disaggregate MAGA from the republicans. Some of us are still registered as republicans because we live in red states and want to try and primary our parties back to sanity and would never vote for the orange one
Did you stop using Skadden as a name because of their shameful capitulation alongside Paul Weiss?
I would also disaggregate MAGA from the republicans. Some of us are still registered as republicans because we live in red states and want to try and primary our parties back to sanity and would never vote for the orange one
:) ... have a nice day !! :)
No one with half a brain wants open borders
Where was this article when the same flight attendants were working flights bringing the folks into the country?
That’s a pathetic statement. Dotard
Actually a good question. Those flights did happen.
Where were you when your IQ was in the triple digits, oh wait you’re telling me that never happened! Hmmm funny how that works!
You may want to consider removing your tinfoil hat.
You are a different kind of brain dead, Tom.
Interesting point. Those immigrants weren’t in shackles and were likely happy to be on those flights, so I imagine the rules were much different.
That being said, certainly many of the FAs felt very uncomfortable as they were helping to facilitate mass immigration they didn’t agree with, but didn’t speak up out of fear for losing their job.