Here’s an interesting story, as flagged by PYOK, which raises the question of what liability airlines have for the personal belongings of passengers.
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Frontier passenger makes disgusting backpack discovery
A Reddit user posed a question on behalf of their sister, based on what happened on a recent Frontier Airlines flight. Specifically, she flew on June 9, 2025, on flight F94077, from Seattle (SEA) to Dallas (DFW).
During the flight, the woman stored her backpack underneath the seat in front of her. At the end of the flight, she grabbed the backpack, only to discover that it was wet. When she tried to dry it off in the aircraft lavatory, the paper towels came out yellow, so “she’s 99% sure the person sitting in the seat in front of her peed during the flight and it leaked onto her backpack.”
She went to the gate right after deplaning to try and report it, and the staff “basically brushed her off,” telling her to go to the ticket counter. She went there and met with a supervisor, while “literally carrying around pee soaked paper towels as evidence while getting bounced around the airport trying to find someone who will take her seriously.”
Eventually, a manager told her that they had to call the general manager, because “nothing like this has happened before,” so the manager didn’t know what to do. Eventually she was told that there was nothing the airline could do, and that she needed to “settle it with the passenger.”
The Reddit user concludes that this whole thing feels “so gross and wrong,” and that “a bodily fluid soaks her personal belongings, and she’s being told she’s on her own?”

What we can learn from this Frontier backpack incident
Airlines generally have a lot of liability when it comes to transporting passengers, so where does this incident fall, and is there anything that the passenger could’ve done differently?
To start, Frontier Airlines’ contract of carriage specifically states that the airline has no liability for situations like this:
“Frontier will not be liable for loss or damage to carry-on baggage unless such damage is caused by Frontier’s or its agent’s negligence, which does not include damage resulting from turbulence, shifting of items during flight, or ordinary handling, including placing the baggage in overhead compartments or under seats.”
The way I view it, there are two main issues here — the timing, and the fact that this happened on Frontier.
For one, the timing was kind of complicated. It seems this discovery was made at the end of the flight, then the passenger went into the aircraft lavatory to clean the bag, and then the passenger went to see a gate agent. It sounds like this was never addressed onboard, when the facts could’ve more easily been established.
Presumably if the passenger in front of her had an accident, there would also be evidence of that on the seat. For example, are we sure it was urine, and not an apple juice spill? I don’t see any mention of odor, but rather, just of color.
I’m also a little confused about the logistics here. It must have been a waterfall of urine to somehow make its way from the seat in front to the bag underneath it, given how seats are built. Did this otherwise go totally unnoticed?
The other bigger picture issue here when it comes to these kinds of situations is flying Frontier. For one, the airline exclusively uses outsourced ground staff, so no one is really empowered to do all that much. It’s something to be aware of when flying Frontier, in terms of getting a resolution to an issue (not that legacy airlines are exactly known for their exceptional customer service).
Then there’s this comment from a Frontier flight attendant on the Reddit post, which is… quite something:
As an FA, Frontier doesn’t consider anything a biohazard unless it visibly contains blood (even if there is a reasonable possibility of it containing blood, such as urine, feces, or vomit).
We also don’t have cleaners. FAs pick up trash from the seatback pockets and GAs are supposed to do everything else. Most times if there is stuff on the seats they we can’t get them to do anything. The times they’ve had to clean them, due to something extreme like vomit, all they’ve done is lightly wipe the seat with some paper towels and maybe some basic cleaning spray.
Just saying, Frontier doesn’t care about the cleanliness of our planes.
Ugh, it’s nice to know that the plane won’t probably even be cleaned properly, even after this incident was reported.

Bottom line
A Frontier Airlines passenger made an unpleasant discovery on a recent flight. At the end of the flight, she found that her backpack was soaked in what appeared to be urine. The airline said there was nothing they could do to help, and suggested she’d have to take it up with the other passenger (even though they had all deplaned at this point).
Ultimately the airline was just following its own policy. Perhaps the more disgusting discovery is the extent to which Frontier reportedly doesn’t clean its planes when there’s some sort of a serious cleanliness issue.
What do you make of this Frontier urine incident?
I think we can all agree that urine has a distinct odor. We all know it when we see it.
I am a Registered Nurse and can state that urine is almost always the cleanest fluid in ones body. Nonetheless it is considered a bio-hazard and the seat in question should have been thoroughly cleaned and taken out of service until dry.
And yet.... it's Frontier we are discussing so ....yeah
Probably a pack of apple juice spilled from a bag of precious passenger, not cleaned properly and we the new passengers bag?
I feel like that sounds more plausible then someone peeing in the seat, or that pee makes it under the seat.
She must have been pissed off...
I don't think you'll find any airline at least in the US who would cover this, especially at the point where it was presented to the carrier as damaged. Every airline has something in its contract of carriage (Montreal Convention notwithstanding) that it does not have liability for bags either remaining in a passenger's personal possession or, in several cases in the half dozen CoC's I just referenced, they define damage liability in reference to...
I don't think you'll find any airline at least in the US who would cover this, especially at the point where it was presented to the carrier as damaged. Every airline has something in its contract of carriage (Montreal Convention notwithstanding) that it does not have liability for bags either remaining in a passenger's personal possession or, in several cases in the half dozen CoC's I just referenced, they define damage liability in reference to checked baggage and by omission exclude non-checked baggage.
Or United:
"In the case of unchecked baggage, the Carrier is liable only to the extent the damage resulted from its fault, or that of its servants or agents. The Carrier is not liable for baggage carried in the passenger compartment of the aircraft and remaining in the personal possession of the passenger.
NOTE: Assistance provided by crewmembers to properly store such items does not transfer liability to the Carrier."
So word to the wise... if you have a bag checked from the airplane cabin due to no overhead space... make for darn sure you get a receipt with something identifying you or the bag. I recognize that sometimes this isn't always possible... I had a reroute on AA where they put me through an out station to get between hubs and at the mid-point they said due to staffing they were dumping all gate check bags from the delayed arrival - waiting for the NC Lt Gov at the time - maybe he was too engrossed in his naughty slave photos - (PSA CRJ so everything with wheels....) at the baggage claim outside. I had a choice of either go get my bag and get stuck or make my connection. AA (or rather the outsourced baggage service agents at CLT) said we aren't responsible for carry-on bags that are delayed, pointing to the CoC. I won that one anyway out of spite as I could have driven 90 minutes and gone to get my bag, but I wanted it to cost them money.
As far as this being on Frontier, well, it could happen on any airline. I do agree with Ben's assessment of the physics of the whole thing though... depending on the aircraft, some of the Frontier seat models are basically a bench just with fake contoured cushions. And also would be very obvious, unless of course the person who urinated had dried it up. But enough to soil a bag underneath would be quite a bit.
I was on a Delta flight, in First Class, out of ATL one night where a woman so drunk she had to be helped on in a wheelchair by a red coat (I wanna know who she knew) and plopped into row 1 ended up not only giving us a peep show when she went to pull off the sarape top she had on and took her t-shirt with it, but also loudly informed the F/A during climb out/turbulence that she just peed herself since "you won't let me use the potty."
I've had my bag end up wearing an alcohol beverage or two thanks to seatmates or people in front of me, and yeah, nothing you can do about it. Unless you want to file a suit for damages against that person, subpoena passenger list to find out who it was, etc.
The fact it was Frontier is irrelevant, and if it even happened as described, unless you're a top tier FF who gets some club agent or F/A to toss you a $25/2500 mile voucher, you're gonna be told to pound sand.
As the British would say, Frontier are "taking the piss" with their customers. Literally.
Frontier FA just reminded everyone flying Frontier.
Your flying on bloody sh*t.
Ben, you make a good point that it would take a lot of whatever substance to get something truly soaked since the fluid would tend to come through the bottom rear of the seat. My feet are usually to each side of my backpack under the seat and I’d think they would have also gotten wet.
Ultimately it’s a bit of a catch-22. No airline is technically responsible for the actions of their passengers, but...
Ben, you make a good point that it would take a lot of whatever substance to get something truly soaked since the fluid would tend to come through the bottom rear of the seat. My feet are usually to each side of my backpack under the seat and I’d think they would have also gotten wet.
Ultimately it’s a bit of a catch-22. No airline is technically responsible for the actions of their passengers, but you’d think a token voucher that would be about the cost of dry cleaning the backpack would be the least they could do.
Maybe she liked getting some on her? I once fired a ramp manager after one of the agents he was sleeping with beat the crap outta him in the airport parking lot one night and he didn't come to work for 3 days and wouldn't say why (then showed up with a black eye, but I knew that as I'd seen the video footage from at least a half dozen witnesses by that point). When...
Maybe she liked getting some on her? I once fired a ramp manager after one of the agents he was sleeping with beat the crap outta him in the airport parking lot one night and he didn't come to work for 3 days and wouldn't say why (then showed up with a black eye, but I knew that as I'd seen the video footage from at least a half dozen witnesses by that point). When asked why he failed to report it, as an assault on an employee, he said he kinda got off on it and enjoyed it. I took his ID and told him he'd hear something via FedEx within a week.
@Ned, I’m curious - was the termination for job abandonment, fighting on airport property, failure to report the incident, or D) All of the above?
@Tim: Failure to report the incident and I forget the exact phrase use but lack of judgement as a manager for sleeping with one subordinate, borrowing money from her, in order to take another subordinate on vacation to sleep with her - all of which was admitted after the fact. Person who hit him got terminated as well.
@Ned, ah, the good old “sampler platter of doom.” Gotta love it.
Aww c'mon. Who doesn't enjoy a little piss once and awhile.
If it were an international flight it’s likely covered by the Montreal Convention. Any decent airline could remunerate the customer, and then claim it back via their insurance, even if it’s not their fault.
What can we learn from this incident? Never fly Frontier (or Spirit).
Or George …. any other domestic U.S. airline?
At least Spirit has cleaners. Frankly, all the Spirit planes I’ve flown on are tidier than AA’s.