Frontier Airlines CEO Blames Delays On Private Jets, Demands Restrictions

Frontier Airlines CEO Blames Delays On Private Jets, Demands Restrictions

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Airline CEOs can say some interesting things at times, and here’s the latest example of that…

Barry Biffle wants to add restrictions on private jets

Frontier Airlines CEO Barry Biffle is a smart guy (despite the carrier’s challenging financial state), and he’s an important voice in the airline industry. That’s in part because he’s often campaigning for different things than what the CEOs of the “big four” carriers are asking for, given his company’s different business model and challenges.

So while Biffle is often going after lack of competition in the industry, plus slot controls at airports, he now has a new target — private jets. Biffle took to LinkedIn, to share how he’s campaigning to add restrictions on private jet flights. Here’s what he wrote (and I just added some spacing, to make it easier to read):

Have you ever had your flight cancelled due to ATC or a ground stop? Was it a peak day like Thanksgiving Sunday, 12/26, New Years Day or Pres Day? Were you flying out of Florida? If it happens again take a look and see how many PJs are flying that day.

Here’s what happens. Airlines have to file their flight plan at the same time as our schedule. A private jet wants to leave at the same time. They and we know we will likely get a ground delay program of two or three hours. The PJ simply files for an earlier time and then gets to leave when they wanted to leave once they get the delay program.

Sadly, airlines often end up having to cancel because these delays stack up and time out our crews. There’s a simple solution for this and the FAA already has it available. They control high demand events like the Super Bowl already by setting reservations.

I’m meeting with the FAA next week and hoping we can get traction on common sense approaches that allow us to stop cancelling flights ruining vacations for hundreds of people to benefit a few flying from Palm Beach to NY.

We all need to demand common sense approaches to protecting travel for the masses. Download this app so you can see who is flying when your flight gets cancelled. I will let you know how the FAA meeting goes.

Biffle thinks private jets are to blame for delays

Does Biffle have a point about private jet flights?

In theory, I agree with the premise of what Biffle is saying. There’s no denying that private jets contribute to crowding in the skies, and when there’s a ground delay program, it’s pretty wild how a private jet that might be carrying two people gets no less priority than a jet carrying 200 people. If we’re going to look at this from a “greatest good for the greatest number of people” standpoint, he’s absolutely right. However, I think there are three important counterpoints…

First of all, I think Biffle is probably overestimating the extent to which private jet operators are essentially “gaming the system” and creating fake departure times in anticipation of ground delay programs. That’s not so easy to do if you have a customer onboard, since it could be that the ground delay program doesn’t actually work out as you expect. So is this a minor issue? Yes. But I think on the list of things that cause Frontier Airlines flight delays, this doesn’t rank anywhere near the top.

Second of all, other US airlines (not Frontier) aren’t exactly doing a great job helping with congestion either. Just look at how at some of the most congested and slot controlled airports in the country, regional jets are the most common aircraft type. Of course carrying 76 passengers is better than carrying two passengers, but still…

Third of all, the United States is unique in having a vast majority of airports be government owned and public use. It’s a pretty special aspect of our aviation ecosystem, as airports are generally available to any user, and access isn’t just given to the highest bidder.

So it’s kind of funny, because airports in the United States are “democratized” a bit more than in other parts of the world. But in this case, the benefit of that is primarily to the wealthy, with those less well off paying the price.

Airlines aren’t exactly helping with congestion either

Bottom line

Frontier Airlines CEO Barry Biffle is claiming that private jets are to blame for many airline delays. When ground delay programs go into effect, he states that private jet operators often game the system, claiming they have an earlier departure time than they really do, in anticipation of a ground delay.

While his points may be true to some extent, I think in the scheme of things that cause delays, that doesn’t really rank up there. I’m curious exactly what Biffle wants the FAA to do, so let’s see what comes of this…

What do you make of Biffle’s private jet commentary?

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  1. Tim Dunn Diamond

    There are a handful of airports including some listed here including EWR (right next to Teterboro) and PBI where private jets have a high percentage of traffic - but F9 is not the largest airline in any of those markets.

    and general aviation and private jets pay taxes just like commercial aviation - and those taxes are a higher percentage of costs per passenger than for commercial aviation.

    it is also is noteworthy that...

    There are a handful of airports including some listed here including EWR (right next to Teterboro) and PBI where private jets have a high percentage of traffic - but F9 is not the largest airline in any of those markets.

    and general aviation and private jets pay taxes just like commercial aviation - and those taxes are a higher percentage of costs per passenger than for commercial aviation.

    it is also is noteworthy that he doesn't address prop aircraft - probably because ATC does a pretty good job of separating slower prop traffic from jet traffic even if they all have to compete for the same runway space.

    I have enjoyed flying into major airports in Class B airspace in a single engine prop plane and know that I get my time on the runway just like a 321 or 787

    1. Grichard Guest

      The "higher percent per passenger" is the wrong metric. Once in the ATC system, a jet is a jet. And business jets pay far less per flight than passenger jets into the trust fund, despite using similar resources for each flight.

      A dentist in his 172 is obviously a different beast. But business jets pay too little.

  2. Lisfranc Guest

    This 100% true with Aspen airport especially around holidays.

    It truly is a gamble at ASE with weather, barometric pressure, one runway, and PJ traffic hogging the runway.

  3. John Guest

    It’s an easy attack that appeals to populist sentiment, but I think the majority of private flights are using airports without airline service, like Teterboro where they don’t have to stack up behind dozens of airliners like they would at Laguardia. I know there is still some private at big airports, but I doubt banning it would make a big difference. Airports make money with private, not just with steep landing fees, but also hangars...

    It’s an easy attack that appeals to populist sentiment, but I think the majority of private flights are using airports without airline service, like Teterboro where they don’t have to stack up behind dozens of airliners like they would at Laguardia. I know there is still some private at big airports, but I doubt banning it would make a big difference. Airports make money with private, not just with steep landing fees, but also hangars and maintenance facilities on the field that employ lots of people.

    1. Jachym Guest

      It's not as much about the airports as it is the surrounding airspace. New York and Florida both have a high density of airports, which naturally leads to congestion. Take Teterboro. Even though the airport has no airline service, it still feeds into the same airspace as JFK, LGA, and EWR, all airports with a lot of air traffic.

    2. John Guest

      The Frontier CEO was specifically addressing ground traffic, but you’re right, you can’t separate one from the other. His argument then becomes a much less appealing attack on all general aviation, including Cessnas and Pipers. Instead of railing against the “fat cats” in private jets, he’s basically arguing that the national airspace surrounding commercial airports should be dedicated to airlines. That’s a slippery slope back to pre-1978 airline regulation, which the Frontier CEO won’t like.

      The Frontier CEO was specifically addressing ground traffic, but you’re right, you can’t separate one from the other. His argument then becomes a much less appealing attack on all general aviation, including Cessnas and Pipers. Instead of railing against the “fat cats” in private jets, he’s basically arguing that the national airspace surrounding commercial airports should be dedicated to airlines. That’s a slippery slope back to pre-1978 airline regulation, which the Frontier CEO won’t like.

  4. BeeDazzle Member

    "That’s not so easy to do if you have a customer onboard, since it could be that the ground delay program doesn’t actually work out as you expect"

    At the same time, can't the private jet operator then just claim something else as a delay? Worst comes to worst, they are right back where they would be if they weren't trying to game it, best outcome is they shave time off their delay.

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Grichard Guest

The "higher percent per passenger" is the wrong metric. Once in the ATC system, a jet is a jet. And business jets pay far less per flight than passenger jets into the trust fund, despite using similar resources for each flight. A dentist in his 172 is obviously a different beast. But business jets pay too little.

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Tim Dunn Diamond

There are a handful of airports including some listed here including EWR (right next to Teterboro) and PBI where private jets have a high percentage of traffic - but F9 is not the largest airline in any of those markets. and general aviation and private jets pay taxes just like commercial aviation - and those taxes are a higher percentage of costs per passenger than for commercial aviation. it is also is noteworthy that he doesn't address prop aircraft - probably because ATC does a pretty good job of separating slower prop traffic from jet traffic even if they all have to compete for the same runway space. I have enjoyed flying into major airports in Class B airspace in a single engine prop plane and know that I get my time on the runway just like a 321 or 787

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John Guest

The Frontier CEO was specifically addressing ground traffic, but you’re right, you can’t separate one from the other. His argument then becomes a much less appealing attack on all general aviation, including Cessnas and Pipers. Instead of railing against the “fat cats” in private jets, he’s basically arguing that the national airspace surrounding commercial airports should be dedicated to airlines. That’s a slippery slope back to pre-1978 airline regulation, which the Frontier CEO won’t like.

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