We’ll see if anything comes of this, but this is sure going to be controversial (thanks to Karl for flagging this).
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Republican Senator aims to end dual citizenship
Bernie Moreno, a Republican Senator from Ohio, has introduced the Exclusive Citizenship Act of 2025, to establish that citizens of the United States must have sole and exclusive allegiance to the United States. As Colombian-born Senator Moreno explains:
“One of the greatest honors of my life was when I became an American citizen at 18, the first opportunity I could do so. It was an honor to pledge an Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America and ONLY to the United States of America! Being an American citizen is an honor and a privilege—and if you want to be an American, it’s all or nothing. It’s time to end dual citizenship for good.”
Current laws allow United States citizens to also maintain foreign citizenship, though this bill would require them to forfeit their dual citizenship. The argument is that dual citizenship creates conflicts of interest and divided loyalty.
If this bill were approved, within one year of enactment, those with dual citizenship would have to renounce their foreign citizenship, or submit a renunciation of their United States citizenship. Of course let me emphasize that this is just a proposal, and it’s anyone’s guess if something comes of this.
My take on United States ending dual citizenship
Personally, I’m opposed to this change, and that’s not just because I have dual citizenship. In fairness, the United States would be far from the first country to ban dual citizenship. However, most countries that ban dual citizenship are in Africa and Asia, with very few countries in the Americas or Europe having such a policy.
Obviously any “take” on this is going to be inherently political. Personally, I’m grateful to live in the United States, and all the things the country offers (opportunity, free speech, etc.). That being said, I’m not some nationalist who thinks “my” country can do no wrong (and that would be the case for the United States, Germany, or any other country I could have citizenship with).
Another thing I’m grateful for about living in the United States is that we don’t have a draft, so I don’t have to be in the military, and I can just passively live as a happy American, rather than having some sort of an allegiance (and let me of course say that I appreciate and respect those who do choose to serve, and realize those freedoms were fought for). Yes, admittedly I’m a bit of an anti-war hippie…
But I also don’t really get what this is supposed to accomplish, other than performative patriotism? What’s all or nothing? What exactly is my singular oath of allegiance to the United States supposed to change?
I also wonder if this wouldn’t be counter to the interests of the United States. The country currently has global taxation for citizens, so dual citizens are still very much “paying” for being American. Maybe forcing people to choose would cause more people to actually renounce their US citizenship.
Bottom line
A United States Senator has introduced a bill to ban dual citizenship. The argument is that citizens need to have full allegiance to the United States, so if they’re not willing to renounce their foreign citizenship, they should renounce their US citizenship. We’ll see if anything comes of this, but that’s quite an extreme proposal…
What do you make of this proposal?
No way this passes. Many Americans, in government and business, have Israeli citizenship. State department and many in congress would be in trouble.
That’s funny. Now that Germany FINALLY allows duel citizenship ????
All for show. Bill has zero chance of passing because the Democrats have 47 votes in the Senate, making the bill not pass a filibuster
Surprised no one noted his bill would make the Pope give up his American citizenship. Ridiculous non-starter from an unserious senator.
Excellent announcement about dual citizenship
Who love USA remains here
Otherwise go back their country
Salute to Senator Republic
I hope Americans get banned from taking on dual (or more) citizenship in the same way other countries do so e.g. the Baltic countries.
So sick of Americans spreading their privilege, entitlement, and audacity worldwide and clutching onto literally ANYTHING that isn't the USA by claiming to be X, Y, and Z.
10-15 years ago the US passport was one of the best passports, if not the best, for visa free travel. Today it is 12 or 13th. As more and more countries require Americans to get a visa to enter their country (think reciprocity) a US passport becomes worth less and less.
If you were born in America no one can take you citizenship, only your passport.
If your a naturalized citizen the US can take back your citizenship.
Many, many, problems with this proposed bill.
With a Hispanic surname the sponsor of said bill makes me wonder if he is securing his lips on a dictator wannabe to keep his employment or family members shielded from the "group" that "accidentally" detains, imprisons, or deports anyone they please for a head count or a bonus. Inquiring minds need to know!
From what I've read, the first lady and her son both have dual citizenships. I wonder what they will choose.
Lake Bled is lovely this time of year.
Well, this is...interesting. The main effect would likely be to simply "discharge" a bunch of "accidental Americans" from noxious tax obligations without having to pay to go through the renunciation process, schedule an appointment, etc., and I can see e.g. the EU refusing to help the IRS collect on any "exit tax" that might be imposed (as this is suddenly not voluntary).
The biggest issue I can see is with lots of folks who are...
Well, this is...interesting. The main effect would likely be to simply "discharge" a bunch of "accidental Americans" from noxious tax obligations without having to pay to go through the renunciation process, schedule an appointment, etc., and I can see e.g. the EU refusing to help the IRS collect on any "exit tax" that might be imposed (as this is suddenly not voluntary).
The biggest issue I can see is with lots of folks who are eligible for foreign citizenship by right and/or are from countries that don't allow renunciation. There are also "citizenship surprises" (I don't know if anyone else watched the farce that was the Australian citizenship controversy a while back - basically, there was a court ruling about when Britain became a "foreign power" and as a result you ended up with a bunch of MPs and Senators finding out that they held foreign citizenship by right and were therefore ineligible to hold office).
A funny scenario comes to mind - let's say you have an "accidental American" who notionally loses citizenship under this bill, but they didn't really want it to begin with. Then the bill gets struck down...but they don't want the citizenship back. Where does this leave them?
Yeah, as with any bone-headed legislation like this, there are unintended consequences. Let's prevent that by vocally and repeatedly opposing this silly bill.
I became a Canadian citizen in 1977 living my life before that in the USA as a US citizen. In those days holding duel citizenship was still pretty much a no, no. But, there were a couple of loopholes. You could not be a member of the other countries military or work for the Government.
After becoming a Canadian citizen I had to go to the US Consulate and be interviewed to see if I...
I became a Canadian citizen in 1977 living my life before that in the USA as a US citizen. In those days holding duel citizenship was still pretty much a no, no. But, there were a couple of loopholes. You could not be a member of the other countries military or work for the Government.
After becoming a Canadian citizen I had to go to the US Consulate and be interviewed to see if I could retain my US Citizenship. That took about 15 minutes.
There was one downsize to this, when I retired and applied for my US social security, I was asked if I received a pension for a company outiside the US, I said yes, my pension was cut in half. I asked why, the answer was because that is the way it it, but with a caveat, if I moved back to the US my pension would be be increased. I said no thanks, I will take what I get. Then just last year I got an increase in my US social security, it was the amount that was taken away years before. Now, I wonder if this new bill should end up as law, would I loose my social security completely?
You know what I really don't care giving up my social security. Living in Canada is the best thing that has happened to me, and now I can watch over the fence into my old back yard and see the slow destruction of the USA.
You presume that Social Security won't be gutted for everyone, regardless...
(Oh, and rest assured, that program is fine, and can exist in perpetuity, but we have to properly fund it, and not purposely ruin it, just so that the super-rich get tax cuts.)
The irony is that as a dual citizen, I actually have a choice as to where I should live and I’ve chosen to raise my family in the US. I think that’s a far greater sign of patriotism than those who have no alternative.
Ultimately, it’s unconstitutional as written. We could require those naturalized to give up other nationalities, but not those who acquired automatically at birth.
Well said; however, this 6-3 corrupt court can decide its constitutional, regardless, so long as Dear Leader asks them to. (Anyway, hope all's well in Brooklyn.)
I don't think it will become law because it will screw a lot of Israelis - and AIPAC knows that.
It's clearly not going to pass, and certainly what you describe makes it a non starter
Again, what is up with y'all and the Israeli-American-angle here. Fine, if that's what it takes to kill this bill, I welcome it, but folks, let's be clear, there are many millions of dual citizens of other countries, not just Israel, that should and would oppose this.
On one hand you're opinionated and prolific in making that known.
On the other, you pose as being ignorant of how the world works.
A conundrum indeed
99, say whatever you want, however much you want; I'm engaging on-topic, not merely trolling or engaging in baseless ad hominems, either.
Yes, I'm well-aware of AIPAC's outsized-influence on American politics, both parties, but that's not the main issue here, at all. You and a few others have pretended like it is, but it isn't.
Happy to renounce my US citizenship then.
Well, it'll cost ya...
The primary, non-refundable government fee for Americans to renounce their U.S. citizenship is $2,350. This fee is charged by the U.S. Department of State for the administrative processing of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality (CLN), and it must be paid at the in-person appointment at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.
Also, there may be additional tax implications or professional service fees, like, Exit Tax, if your average annual...
Well, it'll cost ya...
The primary, non-refundable government fee for Americans to renounce their U.S. citizenship is $2,350. This fee is charged by the U.S. Department of State for the administrative processing of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality (CLN), and it must be paid at the in-person appointment at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.
Also, there may be additional tax implications or professional service fees, like, Exit Tax, if your average annual net income tax liability for the five years before renunciation exceeds a specific amount ($206,000 for 2025, adjusted annually for inflation), or your net worth is $2 million or more, or you fail to certify that you have been compliant with all U.S. federal tax obligations for the five preceding years. If you are a Covered Expatriate, the IRS treats you as having sold all of your worldwide assets the day before renunciation. You must pay capital gains tax on the unrealized gains that exceed an exclusion amount ($890,000 for 2025). This can result in a very large tax bill. You will need to ensure you are fully tax compliant for the five years prior to renunciation. This often requires the help of a tax professional or attorney specializing in U.S. expatriate tax law, which can cost anywhere from $500 to over $10,000 depending on the complexity of your situation. Finally, there are travel costs, too, because, you often must appear in person at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate in a foreign country to sign the oath of renunciation, which involves travel expenses if you do not live near one.
Still interested, or did you not think all that through?
Lolz sounds like all the more reason to renounce. What a tyrannical government!
Robbie, ok, so you're bad at math(s); are you even a US citizen?
Well, you are not removing, it, the US Government is removing it. I certainly would not pay if I was forced to do so by the Government. Let them come and get me. As far as taxes, same there no last tax payment from me.
Here's the thing - reading the (very short) text of the bill, deeming that you've renounced would save the whole renunciation fee and associated process.
I also suspect - given the number of people affected in weird ways - that e.g. EU courts might block enforcement of the various Exit Tax processes (especially since I suspect there's more than one very wealthy person out there who would be stung by this, so it would be...
Here's the thing - reading the (very short) text of the bill, deeming that you've renounced would save the whole renunciation fee and associated process.
I also suspect - given the number of people affected in weird ways - that e.g. EU courts might block enforcement of the various Exit Tax processes (especially since I suspect there's more than one very wealthy person out there who would be stung by this, so it would be a well-resourced fight).
I can see something like "Stripping folks of their citizenship like this is a human rights violation, and sending them a tax bill for you having done so is doubly so" even before you get into situations where the folks in question being sent that hypothetical tax bill had derived no benefit from that citizenship. The best analogy I can think of is how US courts decided that if the military kicked you out, they couldn't come back and court martial you afterwards.
A 'human rights violation' you say? Sorry, I couldn't hear you over our recent extrajudicial killing of fishermen in the Caribbean and renditioning of undesirables to gulags in El Salvador without due process and against court orders...
'Fishermen'
Are you not yourself a fisher of contrary retorts?
99, go fish! Also, yahtzee!
If citizenship was legally obtained, then I don’t see how ending dual citizenship is beneficial to anyone.
Winner winner chicken dinner. Endre gets it.
Kneejerk reaction is I don't like it. Then again there are tons of people here with Israeli citizenship and they serve in the IDF so when you talk about divided loyalty the argument makes sense in a case like that when you have people serving in militaries that aren't the US. Maybe allow dual passports but condition it on they can't serve in the armed forces or government of any other nation.
What's up with you and some others keeping on trying the Israeli-angle on all this? No one knows for sure, because it's not disclosed (nor does it need to be), but there are likely millions of dual US citizens, and the most common pairings is actually more likely to be Mexico, Canada, the UK, Italy, Ireland, India, Philippines, not Israel, but, nice try, I guess.
Indian citizens cannot be dual passport holders with any other country
99 Luft Stanzas, yes, and drivers are not supposed to go over the speed limit, either.
The issue is enforcement, and that is more difficult because it's nearly impossible for a government to know every person's status abroad. It's more of an issue for those applying for Indian citizenship than those with Indian citizenship who obtain a second citizenship. And, then, it's about what India does as penalty against its own citizens who have...
99 Luft Stanzas, yes, and drivers are not supposed to go over the speed limit, either.
The issue is enforcement, and that is more difficult because it's nearly impossible for a government to know every person's status abroad. It's more of an issue for those applying for Indian citizenship than those with Indian citizenship who obtain a second citizenship. And, then, it's about what India does as penalty against its own citizens who have become dual. It's all silly though. Generally, there are 35-45 countries, mostly in Asia and Africa, that even bother to attempt to ban multiple citizenships. Let's be clear, though, the wealthy and influential in those countries find loopholes and exceptions already anyway. It's the poor, everywhere, who get screwed, mostly.
No. The Indian government won't allow their citizens to hold other citizenship or passports. It's surprisingly one of the few truly functional aspects of their government.
You can get OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India) and most do, allowing them to become EU/US citizens.
99, ah, so, there's always a loophole for those willing to 'pay' for it. Got it. Likely what would happen here too if they ever actually passed anything. Those with wealth get a pass; those without, get punished more.
It's not onerously expensive. Like I say, most get it as it's an effective visitor visa (most go home regularly), and it affords them other rights and privileges (less than full citizenship but much greater than non-OCI).
Cost is relative; for some, sure, it's nothing; for others, it's the world. Subdividing citizenship is not a good way to run a society. Based on your comments, I imagine you're just trolling; otherwise, this feels very 'Dr. Strangelove' discussing the "mine shaft gap" post-nuclear attack survival plan...
I'm not trolling, unless stating objective facts is such.
You are prolific in your poasting yourself, are you not?
Go talk on the Indian forums if you want to discuss the merits or otherwise of their longstanding government policies (
Ah, so, only your opinion can be 'objective fact,' yet, other's opinions are just... 'wrong'. Got it.
As to commenting, my dude, it's not a competition, and, you comment plenty as well. Nothing wrong with that. The answer is more speech. There's no stated limit on here. Reply to everything you want, or nothing at all. You do you.
It’s not so long ago the US didn’t allow dual citizenship. Dual citizenship was allowed sometime in the 90s, from memory.
Wrong.
US always allowed it.
They just make it very hard to maintain it, which is now considered unconstitutional.
K. Bye, USA.
I wouldn't even hesitate for a second.
Should I live the rest of my live in a dictatorship or in a free democracy (well, actually, my choice of the best free democracies in the world)? Hmmmmm....so much difficult /s.
Joke of a country, absolute joke of a country.
No, Robbie, the US is not a joke of a country, and if it goes full-authoritarian dictatorship (as it appears to be doing), the rest of the world is still very much at risk, too. So, you can attempt to 'flee' its reach, but, as mere fishermen in the Caribbean are finding out, you're still at risk, anywhere and everywhere. We really have to solve this from within. Don't give up.
It's already too late.
Maybe in 50-100 years the US will do the world the favor of completely imploding and ceasing to exist as a country, but until then, it's going to be a fascist dictatorship. It already is.
Nothing you, I, or anyone else can do about it.
Best get out while you can before they start publicly hanging dissidents or anyone the Emperor doesn't care for.
Nah, it's never 'too late.' We each have choices every day. All you have to do is 'try.' This too shall pass. I take it you are either a nihilist, cynic, accelerationist, or a foreign agent. I'm no fan of Trump or his policies, yet, I'm still an American, and believe in the ideals of our country.
So as not to disappoint Ben, furthermore, add to his ‘clicks’/‘cents’ count like a loyal follower, I will press send.
You could add something of value. Or not. You do you. Like, with all your supposed travels, perhaps you have multiple citizenships; even if you’re allegedly based in the UK, and this is potentially a US issue, what if your parliament adopted something similar. I donno, there’s probably a better angle than the mere whining and meta commentary. At least you’re not accusing others of being the author… yet.
Brexit and self inflicted PTSD already fried this alter ego's brain. Look at all his nonsense posts.
Eskimo, believe me, in the short time I've frequented OMAAT, I've noticed. At least, for now, AeroB13a is not quoting the same Animal Farm nonsense again and again. As I've told him before, he acts like a Benjamin, the donkey with the cynical, complacent and apathetic stance on literally everything.
It's a foolish and outrageous sort of thing, harming people at the price of the swaggering nationalism of a criminal national party.
So, on-brand for maga. Hurts people, doesn't help anybody, they get excited about all that. Rinse and repeat...
MAGA: “Hurts people, doesn't help anybody.”
Sounds ‘bout righ’
I also like the ‘same sh*t, different hat’ meme (you know the one, with the four panels)
How would they ever know? Every country's passport holders would be compared to the US database of holders? Really?
It's even more impossible than that - you can be a citizen and not hold a passport, or otherwise "claim" that citizenship. There's no global database of citizens. Some people are citizens of countries that they don't even realise (there was a Parliamentary scandal in Australia a few years ago about this exact issue).
The proposal is also incompatible with US birthright citizenship, and therefore with the US constitution.
Let's take a child born in...
It's even more impossible than that - you can be a citizen and not hold a passport, or otherwise "claim" that citizenship. There's no global database of citizens. Some people are citizens of countries that they don't even realise (there was a Parliamentary scandal in Australia a few years ago about this exact issue).
The proposal is also incompatible with US birthright citizenship, and therefore with the US constitution.
Let's take a child born in New York to a British mother and Australian father (neither of whom are US citizens). That child is currently a US, British and Australian citizen from birth. Does the US expect this day-old baby to make a choice on which of those 3 citizenships they retain (or force the parents to do so?)?
RichM, you’re right, this bill is a farce, yet, doesn’t matter when a corrupt 6-3 rubber stamp can pretend otherwise and justify anything the Dear Leader says/does.
We gotta clean up this mess once the adults are back in-charge.
RichM, yes when the day-old baby turns 18.
The arbitrary number that thinks you are old enough, yet you really aren't.
Even the auto industry knows better to punish drivers under 25 because they're still naive.
But 18 is responsible enough to vote a President but not responsible enough to drink alcohol.
Go figure.
Eskimo, and, sadly, especially in Republican districts, some want to lower that age of consent to like 12... really disturbing stuff.
A child born to an Australian citizen overseas is not an automatic birthright citizen of Australia, and a formal application must be made before citizenship is granted, and approval is not guaranteed.
Pete, Australia's immigration rules and procedures are no-joke; very strict, even just as a mere US visitor there on a tourist visa, I've felt more pressure to 'do things right' than Europe or elsewhere. Like, does no one else remember what Barnaby Joyce threatened to do to Pistol and Boo in 2015?!
Yeah the Aussies are wombatsh*t paranoid about bio security.
You can't even bring in a dead piece of food, imagine bringing in a live baby.
Eskimo, for real, a mere orange will get you a $1000 AUD fine. Sheesh.
75% of the people in the community where I live are dual US/Canadian citizens, and they're not going to choose a US passport. They'd just move across the border to Canada. This would completely depopulate our town.
This administration is like an addict, doing increasingly outrageous things every day to which are required to create a new media cycle. We're not even a year into this. It's exhausting, I can't plan my life, my healthcare...
75% of the people in the community where I live are dual US/Canadian citizens, and they're not going to choose a US passport. They'd just move across the border to Canada. This would completely depopulate our town.
This administration is like an addict, doing increasingly outrageous things every day to which are required to create a new media cycle. We're not even a year into this. It's exhausting, I can't plan my life, my healthcare premiums are going to double, my other insurance premiums have already doubled, and nobody in the federal government has any interest in actually governing. They're just trolling, because that's all they know how to do.
If another passport was available to me, I'd choose that one over this clown show.
I’m with you, TProphet. It is exhausting. However, the sane, decent people should not flee from this, because it won’t last forever, and we need good folks to be around to help end the horror and rebuild something better afterwards. It feels like the 1890s first Gilded Age but with tech-bro robber-barons. What brings me hope is a new Progressive era that hopefully follows this. Yet, that doesn’t happen if all the smart people run away.
Only for people that are in the Government but not the Citizentry.
That’s a reasonable idea, and some agencies already do that (like FBI agents), but, this bill is not that; the bill seeks to force a choice upon everyone with multiple citizenships. It’s an unnecessary and needlessly harmful choice to force upon most people. It’s very on-brand for this movement. Forcing things on people. So, yeah, I never wanna hear the lie that Republicans are ‘the party of small government’ ever again. Clearly false.
I am a dual citizen but I don't believe in dual citizenship. I'd argue it's really something that only benefits "elites" who have the pleasure to jet around the world and work in different countries and take advantage of it. To the day to day citizen it's a question of loyalty and allegiance. Make a choice. I won't unless I have to. But I know where I'd choose :)
“I am a dual citizen but I don't believe in dual citizenship.” Well, it’s not a cult; you don’t have to ‘believe’ in it, like a religion. Odd flex, Joe. Backhanded way of supporting this nonsense. Be grateful for your dual citizenship and don’t give it up on a whim. It’s an asset in most cases.
Trust fund kid who thinks the world revolves around them.
It's actually quite the opposite.
It's the immigrants who worked hard, get paid less, and being discriminated.
It's people who bet everything for a better life in America.
It's people who built and drive our economy today.
People in the tech sector, engineers, entrepreneurs, and much more.
Your parents are probably one of them who worked their ass off so you...
Trust fund kid who thinks the world revolves around them.
It's actually quite the opposite.
It's the immigrants who worked hard, get paid less, and being discriminated.
It's people who bet everything for a better life in America.
It's people who built and drive our economy today.
People in the tech sector, engineers, entrepreneurs, and much more.
Your parents are probably one of them who worked their ass off so you can "have the pleasure to jet around the world" and contribute nothing to society except wasting your Trust funds.
It's people like you who would pledge allegiance but be the first to betray America.
Eskimo, you're onto something; we have no way of verifying whether Joe is even who he says he his (perhaps he is a well-off globe-trotting American, or, he's just a troll from Bangladesh, paid indirectly by the GRU to stir divisions in the West, who knows).
Easy decision for me, Canada here I come.
So long as Canada allows you; huge fan of Canada, but, like, they have rules, too. And, also, as I said elsewhere, there are real costs to renouncing US citizenship. It's not the solution you think it is. We should all vocally oppose this nonsense bill.
Trump is working for MAWA (Make America Worse Again) not MAGA (Make America Great Again)
The irony is that America was greatest before Trump, and we're going to have to actually 'make it great again' once he's finally out.
It started with Bush.
We're just too far greatest ahead to notice the decline until the end of Obama.
Joe made sure it would much longer to recover.
As with Obama, Biden focused on the economy (including, infrastructure), not necessarily to pursue justice against those who caused the 2008 financial crises, or J6, respectively. Yeah, Democrats start fixing the Republicans problems only for the electorate to fall for corporate propaganda and foreign influence, yet again. Probably, Trump will break things so badly this time though that there's a real chance for progressive leadership to emerge. One thing is for sure, Democrats should reject...
As with Obama, Biden focused on the economy (including, infrastructure), not necessarily to pursue justice against those who caused the 2008 financial crises, or J6, respectively. Yeah, Democrats start fixing the Republicans problems only for the electorate to fall for corporate propaganda and foreign influence, yet again. Probably, Trump will break things so badly this time though that there's a real chance for progressive leadership to emerge. One thing is for sure, Democrats should reject these corporate uniparty jokers from their own party.
And surely it has nothing to do with the fact that Americans with dual citizenship abroad don’t vote Maga? I did not find data for dual citizens in the US but would guess also less Maga…
Huh, why do you think that is, Carole?
There are countries that do not allow citizenship to be renounced. How would that be worked into the bill? Could some people be allowed to keep their two citizenships? I am positive the bill will include detail for every possible scenario out there.
“I am positive the bill will include detail for every possible scenario out there.”
You forgot the ‘/s’
So, if this were to pass, which citizenship are you keeping? I guess German makes more sense in terms of opportunities it provides (especially since you're spouse is presumably an US citizen so you'd still have some spousal benefits there and he'd have some spousal benefits in the US) but since you currently live in the US, I imagine it's not as straightforward?
I’m not Ben, so he can speak for himself. But, if Ben (or anyone) currently lives in the US (and has their whole life, because you were born here, thus, you’re a US citizen) and merely received German citizenship due to family connection (as many due from European countries), then he (or anyone in that situation) should certainly NOT voluntarily renounce US citizenship, unless he/you intends to leave permanently (which he likely doesn’t.)
The...
I’m not Ben, so he can speak for himself. But, if Ben (or anyone) currently lives in the US (and has their whole life, because you were born here, thus, you’re a US citizen) and merely received German citizenship due to family connection (as many due from European countries), then he (or anyone in that situation) should certainly NOT voluntarily renounce US citizenship, unless he/you intends to leave permanently (which he likely doesn’t.)
The bill’s premise is a false choice. Germany isn’t going to demand Ben renounce his US citizenship, so, basically, the bill attempts to create an unnecessary litmus test for loyalty to the US/Dear Leader that doesn’t really matter or is just harmful to most.
Friends, reject the urge to accept this bill as anything but posturing. And if it were to pass, fight it; don’t comply; this regime won’t last forever. Eventually, the adults will be back in-charge, and we’ll have to clean up messes like this, too, if it happens. *sigh* “add it to the pile!”
Trump and his supporters have recently floated the idea of requiring elected officials to have been born in the US. So this senator would be ineligible for office.
This is most likely his attempt to "prove" his loyalty and maybe save his job.
“But, but… I’m one of the good ones…”
See Venezuelans and Cubans in Miami who voted for MAGA time after time yet still they and their families get deported anyway.
*major facepalm*
Tried to warn you guys… but I guess right-wing billionaires buying up all spanish-speaking media was the beginning of the end. Man, that propaganda must be so addictive… huh?
Well, this bill should certainly lower the price of food.
And make housing more affordable.
And increase Americans’ participation in affordable healthcare.
And lower taxes on the middle class.
And bolster the social safety nets.
And lead to the release of the Epstein files.
Just kidding, it’s just another Republic party tone-deaf RWNJ distraction from the kitchen table issues plaguing most Americans under the current Nazi regime.
100%
Hyperbowilly
the choice between Nazi and Soros-remote controlled autopen is indeed tough
lasdiner, no.
I just proved my point below and that was his goal: It got people talking and it got people outraged no matter which side of the issue you are on.
Rage bait.
And we're here to help Ben make $$$$$ from the rage bait.
Nobody in real life will give much thought about a bill that would be almost impossible to pass.
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Good luck seeing all of the israelis give this one up. unless they carve out an exception for them, don't expect to hear about this one ever again.
Pal, any and all dual citizens (and non-dual citizens alike) should be upset by this and reject it, not just Israeli-USA combo.
Even Benny!
"But I also don’t really get what this is supposed to accomplish"
Ben, At the VERY LEAST anyone holding federal or state office should be required to give up dual citizenship. That is a no brainer. Do I really have to explain this?
I believe people should have a common interest, and dual citizenship discourages that unity. It was not long ago that dual citizenship was not allowed. My parents gave up citizenship to become...
"But I also don’t really get what this is supposed to accomplish"
Ben, At the VERY LEAST anyone holding federal or state office should be required to give up dual citizenship. That is a no brainer. Do I really have to explain this?
I believe people should have a common interest, and dual citizenship discourages that unity. It was not long ago that dual citizenship was not allowed. My parents gave up citizenship to become Americans.
We currently have a rep openly stating primary allegiance to Guatemala, and another to Somali.
Please explain.
Sounds like Nun did explain, we just disagree with Nun’s premise, because it is flawed; and Nun’s focus on Somalia, in-particular, really shows their cards…
Citizenship doesn't create loyalty, allegiance or common interest. It's an administrative relationship. History is full of people who spied or otherwise worked for countries they weren't citizens of.
Can't you see I baiting Nun.
I can… NOT-SEE *wink*
I made my fortune in the states, but also hand cuffed to their global tax system. If they force me to choose. I will pay the exit tax and leave US for good.
As with wealthy New Yorkers pretending to threaten to leave the city, rarely do people actually leave, but, point taken. We don’t wanna lose Davisson! Let’s kill this bill.
Statements like this doesn't make any sense at all.
#hypocrisy
If you're better off paying global tax, why would you leave US. Or you should have already renounced your citizenship by now.
Because the US is one of the only countries that tax their citizens on their worldwide income, I believe Eritrea is the other. Apparently you know nothing about living and working abroad!
Captain Dan, you probably missed the part where fortune was made.
If one was to complain about global taxes. One should have renounced "before" making a fortune.
No way this will happen. Too many rich and powerful people have dual citizenship.
There’s also the issue of US tax code applying to US citizens wherever they live. So if you incentivize a bunch of dual passport holders to renounce US citizenship, you’re losing a big tax base.
As with many things coming out of Trump and his cronies, this is leading with hate and fails to consider practical implications or how this might...
No way this will happen. Too many rich and powerful people have dual citizenship.
There’s also the issue of US tax code applying to US citizens wherever they live. So if you incentivize a bunch of dual passport holders to renounce US citizenship, you’re losing a big tax base.
As with many things coming out of Trump and his cronies, this is leading with hate and fails to consider practical implications or how this might actually be a good thing for the country. It won’t go anywhere.
Exactly. Follow the money.
"Too many rich and powerful people have dual citizenship."
Chill it with the brazen antisemitism, my dude
Yikes, persecution complex much?
99, nah, that's not antisemitism.
Chill it with the brazen false accusations, dawg.
Not a Trump fan, but this does make some sense.
I'm curious, Ben, which citizenship you would choose if you had to give one up.
No, it does not.
Sorry Ben,
You mentioned free speech? Like that granted to Colbert and Kimmel? And protesters? Might want to rethink that fallacy.
Love your blog btw.
Is Colbert and Kimmel in prison?
Might want to rethink that fallacy.
So it’s OK not to have free speech so long as you don’t end up in prison?
Genius
Colbert and Kimmel had free speech that's why they don’t end up in prison.
Genius
Wait sorry, it's the not so genius (idiots) like you who don't understand what free speech is and demand all the entitlements.
You're just a brainwashed political pawn.
How an employer punish or silence employees expecting quid pro quo is a business decision not a free speech issue.
Sorry Ben,
You mentioned free speech? Like that granted to Colbert and Kimmel? And protesters? Might want to rethink that fallacy.
Love your blog btw.
Is Colbert and Kimmel in prison?
Might want to rethink that fallacy.
Lol duplicates!
So many Trumpicans falling over themselves to write bills that will never pass to please His Orangeness or the MAGA faithful. Such silliness over a man who will likely expire from congestive heart failure on the toilet.
I check the paper every morning.
Always check what you wipe your ass with every morning.
Wait, you don’t have one of those Japanese toilets that squirts water and dries up there for you? …missing out
But you're the one checking paper every morning.
Looking for politician's face and wipe it where they belong, a**hole full of sh*t.
Isn't that's why you check the paper?
One small correction. Gold toilet.
Or a golden shower. Is the ‘pee tape’ real after all?
This Ohio village man is a typical Trumptard hypocrite. He probably sneaked into this country (just like Melania who first worked here illegally) and then became a U.S. citizen and now he hates everyone that sneaked in like him and therefore voted for demented felon. His country is a 3rd world country and of course! he doesn't want to go back. He's envious of others that still have choices because their countries are actually a lot nicer than here and/or Columbia.
Presumably Trump wouldn't have to turn in his Russian passport.
Zing!
The joke is he’s a traitor.
It’s funny because it’s true.
1, they have no way to know or enforce it. Other countries have NO advantage in sharing such info with the US govt, so they won't.
2, the people most likely to drop their US citizenship are those who can afford it--ie, rich folk. that matters as it's YET MORE money being siphoned off from the IRS coffers (or, better stated, adds EVEN MORE to the National Debt).
Yeah, like, if you’re a dual citizen… don’t volunteer that information anymore. (Sorry, a little late for Ben, here.) Like, most banks ask… but, ya know… what’s the ole saying… don’t ask… don’t… (oh how silly and sad this all is.)
I will NOT be renouncing my EU citizenship! I repeat, I will NOT!
Good call.
1990,
Thank you! Very important that people not be coerced into renouncing a second citizenship which is a wonderful thing to have. I have no time, interest, patience or respect for this weird misguided patriotic allegiance nonsense.
Well said. It’s jingoism at this point. Reminds me of the ‘freedom fries’ and Dixie Chicks debacle of the early 2000s. The W Bush era ‘either you’re with us or you’re with the terrorists’ false dichotomy. We all should know better.
I don't know if I should pity you Jessica.
Your statement is meaningless.
There is no way to renounce your EU citizenship.
Your citizenship comes with the member state. And if that state leaves EU, you lose EU citizenship.
You coerced yourself into believing you have no time, interest, patience or respect for this weird misguided patriotic allegiance nonsense when you don't know anything at all.
Quiet, Eskimo. You have no idea what you're talking about.
There is no such thing as European citizenship. Silly ignoramus.
You’re a slut and you stole my name.
Great.. as if there isn’t enough happening in the U.S. to further divide people it’s just what’s needed right now….
I mean, issues like this can wake people up; if you hold multiple citizenships, you probably are animated against this new bill, and rightfully so.
Finally we can get rid of Elon Musk and you rightwing trolls: your boy T-rump wants to get rid of the idiot he is married and his youngest idiot all at once.
But that ego maniac with 12 kids from 3 different women will choose U.S. instantly because he doesn't wants to live in South Africa. Interesting how his ancestors settled down there and yet they are racist toward the Blacks who are the natives. I'm referring to 95% of Caucasians there too. All racists.
He's also Canadian, so...
The US can take him. I’m
Sure Canada won’t mind.
I agree with "305"'s comments. I am dual and have been seriously considering leaving for the EU for a number of years.
Wish the decent folks would stay and fight. Can’t flee fascism; Bannon (AfD, Orban, and Putin, ultimately) has been trying to destabilize Europe, too.
As long as know, you will have to satisfy the taxman first.
How can someone pledge allegiance to more than one country as a citizen? That baffles me.
- a happily naturalized US citizen (only)
LOL!
The most hypocrite of the hypocrite.
You're "- a happily naturalized US citizen (only)" with the username UK.
Eskimo… Zing!
You mean, you are a US Citizen and cannot Fight for Israeli Military? even if it means Fighting against the US Military?.watch them make an exception for Israelis, when and if it becomes a Law.
Go to hades groyper boy.
Totally unconstitutional, at least for those who are born U.S. citizens.
14th Amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Tell me where in that it says Congress can add a restriction. Cannot do so.
Calm down. It won't pass. Most "introduced" Bills don't pass. Mainly just for show or scoring political points.
Agree. Guy has no clue what this would mean for many people and the financial hit the country would take if all wealthy people with citizenships elsewhere renounce the US one. BTW, it is an easy choice to me as I can get a green card or visa to stay here so it would be their loss of me paying taxes here.
Agree. Guy has no clue what this would mean.
You still pay tax as a green card holder or as a visa holder earning US income.
So if you're gonna stay here, they lose nothing.
Absurd, and motivated by a uniquely American brand of xenophobia, racism, and an absurd superiority complex based on a 1950s illusion of what America might have been and never, ever will achieve. As a dual citizen myself, I'd happily write the US Government a check and renounce my citizenship if I could.
This measure will never, ever happen though.
There is indeed a huge and INFLUENTIAL overlap between Israeli citizens and American citizens -- which will definitely be a huge show stopper to this new bill, IMHO.
No "triple" citizens allowed . Anyone who is (1) Afghanistani , (2) Somalian , and (3) Mississippian ought to be deported to Haiti .
European "Crusader" ancestors can never be a "dual" citizen with a "Turkish" berserker , for example .
How’s the weather in Moscow? Must be cold and dark. Take your vitamin D. You may feel better.
Well, anything can happen but the U.S. Supreme Court has affirmed that "dual citizenship is "a status long recognized in the law" and that a U.S. citizen cannot lose their citizenship unless they willingly surrender it." Also, as Ben mentioned, people that became US citizens are paying to have that privilege. If having to choose, many will probably give it up and not have to pay taxes here.
If a Argentinian and an Italian meet in the Peruvian jungle , they will both have inferior citizenship to a Falklands Islander .
Alert, don’t you mean, “Las Malvinas”? /s
The Trump Supreme Court has demonstrated that precedent is irrelevant to them.
Zero chance Israel let's this happen. Zero.
Hi groyper girl.
I’m sure the lawmakers will exempt themselves just as they did with the affordable care act.
If this passes, I’ll ditch my US citizenship based on the horrific comments in this thread alone
Gotta love all the folks who want to go back to the days of WWII genocide and internment camps “because you have to pick a side”
Why wait? Do it today.
I am all for this bill, especially if it is retroactive. That way we can get rid of most of the first family.
" However, most countries that ban dual citizenship are in Africa and Asia, with very few countries in the Americas or Europe having such a policy."
Germany only changed its law in June 2024, so this is new (Staatsangehörigkeitsmodernisierungsgesetz). Before that, when you became German, you had to give up your old citizenship. The law is controversial within the current government of Germany, and there are voices that want it repealed (https://www.zdfheute.de/politik/doppelte-staatsbuergerschaft-staatsangehoerigkeit-pass-cdu-spd-afd-100.html).
" However, most countries that ban dual citizenship are in Africa and Asia, with very few countries in the Americas or Europe having such a policy."
Germany only changed its law in June 2024, so this is new (Staatsangehörigkeitsmodernisierungsgesetz). Before that, when you became German, you had to give up your old citizenship. The law is controversial within the current government of Germany, and there are voices that want it repealed (https://www.zdfheute.de/politik/doppelte-staatsbuergerschaft-staatsangehoerigkeit-pass-cdu-spd-afd-100.html).
Now that’s a looooong German word!
The US does have conscription, Ben, you will be registered for selective service. The IS just isn’t calling anyone up right now.
One of my (African American) friends reasons for not taking up dual citizenship for his son from down here in Australia was selective service. Having grown up in an army family, his view was ‘they always come for us first’ so didn’t want to place any obligations on his son. His son...
The US does have conscription, Ben, you will be registered for selective service. The IS just isn’t calling anyone up right now.
One of my (African American) friends reasons for not taking up dual citizenship for his son from down here in Australia was selective service. Having grown up in an army family, his view was ‘they always come for us first’ so didn’t want to place any obligations on his son. His son can, of course take up his American citizenship later if he wants to.
So why come to such a terrible country to begin with?
If you want the freedom and wealth that come with American citizenship, there is also the responsibility of defending the nation when called. Seems like the other person wants to enjoy the perks without the responsibility.
Ed just wanted to share that he has black friend in Australia. Cool. Lol.
All of Trump's Children, except Tiffany, are dual citizens as are:
His Wife - Slovenia
Elon Musk - Canada/South Africa
Peter Thiel - Germany
Peter Thiel is also a citizen of New Zealand.
Peter Thiel is a citizen of the planet Korriban in the Outer Rim Territories.
You wanna name drop immigrant billionaire or have ties with Jewish?
This will cripple the US economy.
Unfortunately.
I am sure they will make a carve out for “Israel” to protect the vile Epstein’s of the world.
It is simple, there are no divided loyalties.
You are an American at Heart or you are not and do not deserve the privileges of citizenship if you are not 100 percent faithful.
Were you ok with Elon Musk running an agency as dual citizen?
Were you ok with Peter Thiel forcing Palatir down our throats as a dual citizens?
Are you ok with Trump's wife being a dual citizen?
Adam
I am not OK.
Rage bait. It's to get you outraged and talking regardless of which side of the issue you're on.
They can't even agree on a budget.
I am a dual national currently living in Switzerland. I pay taxes to the U.S., even though I do not live there. I am not particularly happy about it, but I do it because it is part of the obligations for U.S. citizens living abroad. I suppose that Senator wants the U.S. to loose tax revenue. Additionally the very wealthy would obtain a new nationality to avoid taxes !
How many such individuals like you exist?
When you surrender your citizenship, the IRS will want its tax revenue based on your perceived capital gains. If you dont have those, the govt is fine.
Double taxation treaty. You pay nothing or almost nothing to US, you only declare it. Swiss taxes are same or higher than US federal in most cases.
Afroyim v. Rusk.
"Congress has no express power under the Constitution to strip a person of citizenship, and no such power can be sustained as an implied attribute of sovereignty, as was recognized by Congress before the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, and a mature and well considered dictum in Osborn v. Bank of the United States"
"The Fourteenth Amendment's provision that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States . . . are...
Afroyim v. Rusk.
"Congress has no express power under the Constitution to strip a person of citizenship, and no such power can be sustained as an implied attribute of sovereignty, as was recognized by Congress before the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, and a mature and well considered dictum in Osborn v. Bank of the United States"
"The Fourteenth Amendment's provision that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States . . . are citizens of the United States . . ." completely controls the status of citizenship, and prevents the cancellation of petitioner's citizenship."
Denaturalization of dual citizens cannot be accomplished by statute, or executive action. The 14th Amendment controls. This is just a waste of everyone's time...
That's why we have amendments.
To override previous constitutions.
@Eskimo good luck with that. While we’re at it, how about we strip your citizenship personally with a constitutional amendment.
Unless the SCOTUS decides that the plain language of the 14th Amendment doesn't mean what it we think it means. It's not as if they've never done that before.
It will never happen for one simple reason. It would bring about the end of Israel. If Americans had to renounce their US citizenship to make Aliyah to Israel, nobody would do it. Israel needs these American Jews in order to keep their military strong.
Dual citizen here (France / USA).
Been living in the US for 20 years.
However, my Dad still lives in France. For me, it makes sense to keep dual citizenship, as I may need to assist my Dad for a few months/years as he gets older.
Per this bill.
It doesn't make sense because if US and France goes to war. You MUST pick a side. Even if one side invades unprovoked and unjustified and you're against the invasion.
How is that not brainwashing.
Eskimo, that’s an unnecessary oversimplification. ‘But, but… allegiance during times of war!’ …my dude, R B is taking care of his dad, and we’re not going to war with France, unless we are truly screwed, because they got nukes, son.
No it's not "anyone's guess". It's not happening. Period. This is a MAGA publicity stunt meant to stir up even more hatred.
This isn't even MAGA.
so true! But the TDS peeps on here do not see that clearly!!!
Dee, Bernie M is a true mouth breathing MAGA chump. But you are a Very Low IQ Individual as we all know.
Right like he’d dare ask Miriam Adelson to pick between Israel and American. That alone would tank a bill like this.
Oh, that's easy - just make an exception for Israel.
Multiple citizenships makes about as much sense to me as multiple primary addresses or being a resident of multiple states.
Your response makes about as much sense to me as someone who couldn't afford to have multiple primary addresses or being a resident of multiple states.
It's not like you're going to war with your neighboring states.
Could that be because you have not engaged in the reflection needed to understand the use cases of multiple citizenship?
I direct you to this forum to help guide you on your meditative journey: https://www.reddit.com/r/PassportPorn/
Not to be pedantic, but Moreno likely meant ban on 2nd citizenships. Dual citizenship situations are pretty rare. Dual citizenship occurs when two countries mutually recognize your citizenship, often through bilateral agreements. Second citizenship is a broader term that can include dual citizenship, but also applies when one country doesn't recognize your other citizenship, treating you solely as its own citizen. Another fun fact is that a number of countries ban 2nd citizenships, but don’t...
Not to be pedantic, but Moreno likely meant ban on 2nd citizenships. Dual citizenship situations are pretty rare. Dual citizenship occurs when two countries mutually recognize your citizenship, often through bilateral agreements. Second citizenship is a broader term that can include dual citizenship, but also applies when one country doesn't recognize your other citizenship, treating you solely as its own citizen. Another fun fact is that a number of countries ban 2nd citizenships, but don’t have any penalties for those who have them.
I fully support. I have dual citizenship but I think the concept is ridiculous. Yeah it's kinda nice to have multiple passports for various reasons but if push came to shove you have to pick where your allegiance lies.
Why? My allegiance is to humanity.
So Mr. Bieber, will you go back to Canada?
If so, please take your vapid music with you......
I am in support of this measure. Citizenship should be only to one Nation. Yes, it is about allegiance to your country. You follow your nation’s laws and if you don’t agree, you are free to work toward and accept citizenship elsewhere and then renounce your US Citizenship. Pretty simple to me.
Then as a Citizen, you vote (it’s your responsibility) and serve to defend if/when called upon. I think many democrats would vote along...
I am in support of this measure. Citizenship should be only to one Nation. Yes, it is about allegiance to your country. You follow your nation’s laws and if you don’t agree, you are free to work toward and accept citizenship elsewhere and then renounce your US Citizenship. Pretty simple to me.
Then as a Citizen, you vote (it’s your responsibility) and serve to defend if/when called upon. I think many democrats would vote along with republicans on this measure. To be naturalized, on the day of swearing in, you turn over your old passport and they give you a new USA passport.
This is not a bigotry issue. It's not racist, etc. So please stop the nonsense. I looked up 51 countries that do not allow for dual citizenship. Malaysia, Indonesia, China, India are on that list. I think that's like half the world population. Oh, yeah Monaco is on the list too.
And I don’t believe that a US Citizen, dual or otherwise shoule serve in another countries armed forces, nor a dual citizen serve in the US armed forces.
Oooohhh.
You make so many good points.
When's the last time you look forward for Jury Duty, like literally checking mail everyday to get a call.
Malaysia, Indonesia, China, India, ...your examples... any of them you can say you can accept them as leaders of the free world?
And when was the last time US armed forces are actually defending US and not fighting someone else's conflict, Pearl Harbor?
Still think your idea of allegiance isn't based on hypocrisy.
Also, your argument is factually wrong. On the of swearing in, you get the naturalization certificate aka citizenship certificate. You take that certificate along with bunch of other documents and go to your nearest post office to apply for passport. Juts semantics, but thought should be called out.
About the allegiance to your country, I wonder to which country these individuals had allegiance too - Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Unabomber, the tobacco companies (for hiding...
Also, your argument is factually wrong. On the of swearing in, you get the naturalization certificate aka citizenship certificate. You take that certificate along with bunch of other documents and go to your nearest post office to apply for passport. Juts semantics, but thought should be called out.
About the allegiance to your country, I wonder to which country these individuals had allegiance too - Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Unabomber, the tobacco companies (for hiding the health risks for smoking), the Sackler family, Miguel G. Recarey Jr. (who Jeb Bush gladly worked with) and so on. I think you get my drift.
Only if the citizenship was enough to determine allegiance to a country.
No, you don't follow their laws, you follow their laws when IN THEIR COUNTRY. For example, before the push for marijuana legalization stateside, if you went overseas and partook in say the Netherlands, that's not following US law but is NOT illegal since it did not happen in the US where US law applies.
Starting with Melania and Barron.
Yesterday the US government refused to recognise World AIDS Day.
It’s a vile administration that needs to go by whatever means.
Just keep flying toward that shiny object Icarus.
World AIDS Day. Is there a World Ebola Day? World COVID Day? Why is AIDS different? P O L I T I C S
Just keep flying toward that shiny object Steve K.
Dual citizenship. Is there dual German? Dual British? Why is US different? P O L I T I C S
right on Steve!
@Steve K: Why is AIDS different? Because it was (to a certain extent still is) a pandemic which wasn't being treated because P O L I T I C S and straight up homophobia. Having a day dedicated to it kept it in the public eye and pressure on. HIV/AIDS is now very manageable and relatively hard to get in the US (for many) as can been seen in the drop in new infections. In...
@Steve K: Why is AIDS different? Because it was (to a certain extent still is) a pandemic which wasn't being treated because P O L I T I C S and straight up homophobia. Having a day dedicated to it kept it in the public eye and pressure on. HIV/AIDS is now very manageable and relatively hard to get in the US (for many) as can been seen in the drop in new infections. In many ways it's a huge public health success story. Yet overseas HIV/AIDS remains a massive issue. And if public health is wound back in the US on it, HIV?AIDS could become a public health issue in the US again.
The administration has a mandate from the US public. You may have wished for a Harris administration that would virtue signal, but the American public decided to go in a different direction. How does recognizing world aids day change anything? The President has the highest ranking openly gay govt official (treasury secretary) in his administration before your label him as antigay.
Cry me a river…
You’re a f— moron. Clearly lack any brain cells like 77 million Americans who
voted for fascism.
This response was meant for Steve K.
To add, Americans still have to file a tax return even if they don’t live in the US and haven’t done for years.
That bill won't even make it out of committee.
I still never heard anyone who took Oath of Allegiance is absolute loyal and doesn't have conflicts of interest.
When's the last time you see anyone not only refusing a tax refund but paid extra tax to show your Allegiance.
Taxation, that's the real conflicts regardless of any country or citizenship.
Only brainwashed hypocrites still believe this feudal system is actually still effective.
bann all they want, there is no way they knowing... no other countries would share that info unless you giving out yourself
I guess you never heard of FATCA.
In many places, when you open a foreign account, especially if you are not the primary account holder, this is determined by a simple question, “are you a citizen or resident of the U.S.” with a wink. They don’t care if you lie because they have deniability and as long as you’re a good customer won’t look into it much further. Some of the comments on this thread are wild. The poors have no idea.
Omysweetsummerchild, ah, yes, 'rules for thee, but not for me.' Time to 'do something' about global kleptocracy and corruption. Yeah, I know, lotta work to do, and it's probably gonna get worse before it gets better, but claiming use of loopholes 'makes you smart' isn't the solution.
This probably won’t get very far before it is done for. Republicans, assuming all vote yes would need at least seven Democrats to go along with them in order to even get it to a vote. Based on current politics, I wouldn’t put my money on that happening.
Doing this retroactively (anyone who had been naturalized under current understanding) will be a big legal problem probably unconstitutional.
And there are refugees and dissidents (already or yet to be naturalized Americans) who cannot renounce. Won't this law result in an American's rights being determined by a foreign government?
I wouldn't worry about the constitution. The current supreme court is full of textualists/originalists. If something is not literally written in the constitution they won't care.
VS, I think you meant, 6 of 9 are bullshitters; if they want something, they'll find a way, regardless of text, facts, reason, etc.
I am 100% on board for this and encourage the US government to do it. It'd mean far fewer American immigrants in my country.
Yeah, screw your local economy! Wealthy visitors should stay away! /s
Can one, when it comes down to it, have allegiance to two different opposing governments? That is the question
Obama: Yes We Can.
In a democracy, citizenship is not about allegiance to a government, but to the country. Countries don't oppose each other, governments do (though some governments want us to believe otherwise).
Well said, ChrisNYC. This proposed bill only seeks to divide us, not to actually help anyone.
I would tend to think most people with dual passports are wealthy individuals and not exactly having the need to stay at a migrant hotel or an EBT card.
I don't think senator is concerned about EBT cards.
He's probably afraid someone is going to eat all his cats and dogs. Especially when that someone can legally stay forever. He is a senator from Ohio after all.
I wouldn't assume most people are wealthy who are dual citizens. Many acquire it though working in another country for a long time or due to family
Sure, James, and regardless of how it is obtained, whether one is wealthy or not, it shouldn't matter. Yet, we're approaching an era where the wealthy play by different rules. I think we should stop punching-down, and start holding those with wealth and power accountable.
These days one goes to bed and thinks it can’t get worst and one a wakes up the next morning to find the opposite is true.
Choosing a nationality is such a narrowminded position but I guess when a government wants to revoke citizenships based on political views it’s not far fetched at all.
I was waiting to see how long it will take people to make this about the Jews and I guess it already happened. Just another day at this blog.
You made it about Jews. Others commented on Israel.
Good bill! Let's start with kicking out Melania and Baron since they hold Slovenian citizenship
Reese the TDS is affecting your BRAIN to think straight!!!
Go F yourself, stupid low IQ twat
dee, beware of Trump Devotion Syndrome…
Just another signaling bill. Nothing will come of it.
pure bigotry and assholery; that said, good luck enforcing it consistently (as many a country has learned)
Bigotry? How?
VS, probably the whole targeting of people from other countries. Nah, nevermind, don’t think about it too much…
@vs there is a sort of question by which you tell on yourself just asking it
Absolutly. This is fantastic. We have American citizens who fight in the israeli army and show their alligence to Israel over the USA yet they enjoy the freedoms of the USA without making any contrbution to the betterment, blood, sweat and tears that many americans gave their life for. America first, especially over israel.
So, the MAGA-civil-war is alive and well, it seems. Hard to keep zionists and actual right-wing antisemites in the same coalition.
Ridiculous.
It is absurd. This is not what the Senator or his party ran on or was elected to do. It does not serve the people of Pennsylvania or the United States. It does not address serious economic concerns. It simply is a culture war distraction tactic. 'Look over here! Immigrants bad! Eating the cats and dogs!' Yet, this will hurt the wealthy who are more likely to have multiple citizenships. Bah. Wild stuff.
Amen!
Please, do enjoy shooting your own feet.
Will they drop the taxation of all renounced citizens ?? I think this could be costly for US
If it is costly, so be it. US citizenship should not be all about taxes.
Tell that to Trump. No matter what he says or does, it's always about the money he can steal
For real, Alan Z, and shame on us for re-electing him in 2024. We knew better. I guess the Putin-backed propaganda was just that effective. Learn from us over in Europe so that you do not allow AfD, etc. to take over.