United States Bans Pakistan International Airlines

Ben, thanks for the mention of your PIA Business Class trip. I still remember your comment of wanting to lick the plate of your Pakistani dessert. It's called Kheer . (You can find a dry packaged version in any Asian store which you cook in milk, as you both now cook at home).

As a Pakistani, this is so embarrassing. At the same time, I feel that this is the only way to rid the organisation of people who were given jobs in PIA as appreciation for their political work and affiliations. When the news of fake degree and license holders first came up, the Senate Committee on Aviation asked the government not to fire those who had fabricated their credentials! No wonder PIA pilots and staff are frequently involved in scandals ranging from drug smuggling and 'slipping' away in places like Canada, USA etc.

Even now, instead of introspecting and coming together to fix the issue, the opposition parties are playing politics by going after the job of the current aviation minister. Their claim is that the minister's remarks have brought shame and embarrassment to the nation. I wonder what happens to these senses when their actions endanger the lives of innocent people. Then again, as long as these kleptocrats have access to private planes and business class travel on Middle Eastern carriers, why should they care?

I think the government should make it mandatory for all parliamentarians and bureaucrats to only use PIA for domestic and foreign air travel. Maybe then, we might see some change.

I have been traveling with PIA for the last 30+ yrs from Toronto to Karachi. Yes, they have some shortcomings, but to ban all international flights is extreme.

This is stupid and reactionary. The FAA and USDOT need to examine the situation going on at general aviation ramps across the country. Thousands of pilots operating
- without maintaining currency
- expired licenses or medicals
- lied about health conditions to get medicals
- aircraft that have gone years without the annual inspection

Failed state backed by Americans during Cold War. Incubated Taleban, severely corrupt, known terrorist formenter from 1989 onwards (post Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan). Was surprised that EU, CA, US ever allowed any PIA flights to begin with! Failed state.

@Shahla - “some shortcomings,” is the understatement of the year. A third of their pilots have fake credentials and among those were a cockpit crew who recently crashed a flight that killed nearly everyone onboard along with others on the ground because they neglected to put down the landing gear. What passes for acceptable inside of Pakistan is not open to debate in countries which actually enforce safety regulations and value the lives of the flying public and those of us who live under the flight paths of international airports. Hardly “extreme” under the circumstances. Six months is a light sentence.

@John - big difference between General Aviation operations (to which you are referring) and scheduled airline operations, like PIA. Of course it is reactionary. I think it is a wise decision, but your opinion is noted.

Its exaggerated step. In 2011, Indian Aviation Authorities declared having 4000 Fake pilot licenses but not a single country banned them. PIA identified and stopped them from flying yet doing such acts would let them feel discriminated.

I personally wouldn’t feel safe flying them unless I see serious change. What about you lucky ?
I feel like on many levels some international airlines have serious safety failures, and they should be called out

PIA should have to rebrand and bring in some sort of regulatory authority that is impartial and independent to help them fix this issue.

It is an embarrassment that this should be an issue anywhere commercial planes and international travel coincide. Trust of the public is really how they sell tickets. If you are concerned, as I would be, I would not spend my money, miles or even accept a free ticket from an airline that clearly has "Issues". Aeroflot was at one time one of those airlines, not because the pilots had fake licenses, not that we ever would have heard about it, just considered airline of last choice considering the safety record they had at the time. I do think Canada should follow suit, since they cannot operate out of the US, Europe and many countries along the way, each one a place to crash or divert if there is a problem. Who knows even with the qualified pilots what the emergency training is like.

I am blessed: never had to fly PIA for by reason. I can get very good "kheer" in so many Indian or Pakistani restaurants and snack-shops around the world. 🙂

This revelation by Pakistan acknowledging that there are serious failings within their airline industry is refreshing and a step in the right direction for Pakistan. They clearly want to resolve this issue properly by coming out publicly. This way under the scrutiny of the world they will correct the problem and move towards positive improvement in an airline the world will be able to trust again. Well done to them. I bet there are plenty of other countries around the world with the same pilot certificate issues but too afraid to admit it!

@ John
you say that the US and EU banning PIA is " stupid and reactionary". Really ? Well then go tell that to the children, wives, husbands and all the 100 souls who lost their lives on board the recent PIA crash , that everyone now knows was due to criminal pilot behavior in unprofessionally trying to land their aircraft. Wonder if the pilot and co pilto licenses were among the fake ones found out.

Its extreme step to stop the PIA airline for six months. Qasim comments are noticeable

@Qasim fake news... only 21 fake-licensed pilots were noted by Indian aviation authorities, and one person was even arrested. And that too, the pilots in question were never involved in fatal accidents or incidents alike PIA. And the authorities also seemed to handle the problem well, as some of them were even arrested, while all the others were fired. The reason the airline was banned is because the FAA and other Aviation Authorities around the world suspect PIA for allowing the pilots to fly despite the fake licenses. Anyway, the ban hasn't taken much of a hit on the airline, they rarely operated flights to the States.

I tend to agree with Isaac.

It is sad to see the state of affairs of PIA; once one of the top airlines in the world; with superb professional staff & pilots. Heck, pilots & trainers from PIA helped start pretty much all the middle east airlines, including Gulf, etc, but especially Emirates.
Karachi's Jinnah Int'l airport used to be what Dubai airport is now. It was hub for many international airlines as they made stopovers before continuing on to destinations in the far east and Oceania.
I also remember the massive hangar at the airport fixing and doing routine maintenance of planes from airlines around the world.
As many have already alluded, political interference and hiring if unqualified staff, due to lack of professional standards has lead to the decline of PIA which at one point was one of the best in the world.
Hopefully they are able to turn it around.

Not a real license to fly a commercial. Jet they should be fine and. Go. To jail for being a stupid not a pilot no license. No plane means no job for you go to school and get. Certified to operate the plane you are flying.

I started flying PIA in 1963 from Karachi to London,then London to New York.
As time progressed ,it became a great airline.
Then political corruption started,giving jobs to unqualified people,related to politicians.
Standard declined in service and aircraft maintenance.
Crash of Airbus in Karachi,piloted by unqualified pilots,was a straw which broke the camel's back.
Many countries suspended PIA from flying into their countries.
My last flight on PIA was about 8 years ago from Bangkok to Islamabad (returning from Tokyo on United airline).
The seats in Business class were broken,food was substandard,they gave me a 2 cent tooth brush to brush my teeth ,it was a night flight .
I felt sorry for the crew.
Besides passengers,their lives were also miserable.
They need a Messiah,to reinvent this airline back to its Zenith day.

Hmq.

PIA has shot themsevels in there
Big foot

PIA is not the same from the 70s 80s
Air Marshal nur Khan
Chief pilot 707/ DC10 / 747 shaket h khan