A Sun Country flight attendant is facing assault charges and a lawsuit, over an incident that happened on a flight earlier this month, after people were kicked off a flight. Its common to see flight attendants kick people off planes with fairly limited repercussions, so at least the assault accountability is good.
Rude flight attendant? Very possible and likely true. Racist? I don't buy it. Plenty of nasty flight attendants out there that come off a rude and nasty manner to all flyers.
@ George Romey -- I respect your opinion, but I'm curious, when you hear someone refer to a group of people on a plane as "you people," how do you interpret that as not being a charged statement? What else could it refer to other than "people like you?"
The most charitable read might be "groups of high schoolers".
[I'm thinking of the cheerleader families at Disney.]
I'm not sure that necessarily fits and it's a bad look regardless, but I that's at least a plausible read.
I have literally never heard anyone use the words "you people" to refer to a specific group of people. The only non racial contexts I have ever heard the phrase was someone making a generalization about the targets employer or family
I once had a rather hostile client say “you attorneys . . .” blah blah. He was clearly putting me in a group he disliked. That was it. I fired him!
Tbh, “you people” in this context comes off to me as “you lot” or “yall”.
At least that’s how it sounded to me. Not sure what the intentions of the FA were.
Ben, there is no way to prove this is "racism." You can't win a case based upon something that can't be proven.
BTW, ULCCs make money by selling seats. That's why flight attendants are trained not allow seat swapping.
….crickets….
As Ben wrote, we weren't there and can't really know what happened based on third or fourth hand information, but let me pose a couple questions:
1. What was the race/ethnicityu of the flight attendant in question?
2. Would your interpretation of "you people change" if the attendant was also black?
If you interpret "you people" as presumably racist if said by a white, Asian, or Hispanic person, but not racist if said by a black attendant, perhaps you have your own problem with bigotry.
@Mark I do agree with your comments. More details should be shared for a better understanding.
No racism. Just annoying passengers and typical rude FA
Wouldn't it be "Everyone in the group WAS black."?
No, @TravelinWilly. Actually, @Alphonse is correct. ‘Everyone was’ would be used in the singular form. ‘Everyone were’ would be used in a hypothetical, wishful or unreal situation.
Nope, the group has many people, and THEY are actually the subject, not “group.”
“Were” is correct.
No, you are still wrong @TravelinWilly. It does not matter if there are many people in a group because everyone is a pronoun that takes on the singular form. It takes on the singular form because everyone is an indefinite pronoun. The indefinite pronoun in Ben’s sentence refers to many people or things such as everyone but once again it takes a singular verb. And where did you get they from everyone? The sentence used everyone so the focus should be on everyone.
For the record always trust a German when he’s correcting your English. They are better educated than you.
Mr Nuremberg and Stanly are correct. The word Everyone is singular not plural…. now, if we add a space, and break it up to Every One… it helps to understand.
German here, though I learned UK English.
The *reference* is to a group. Nobody is disputing that. The group IS made up of members. THEY ARE the members of the group.
The more you know...
@TravelinWilly just because Ben is referring to a group of people where he happens to use everyone it does not make it grammatically correct to use were instead of was for everyone in that sentence. This is called a grammar rule. You don’t add an s, es, are or were for all things that are plural. Once again, it depends on the grammar rule.
So, according to your analogy if a lot of crappy things is happening to someone you would ask that person “Are everything all right?” instead of “Is everything all right?” because things=plural?
“…a lot of crappy things is happening to someone…” Ugh. That’s embarrassing for you.
On top of that your analogy fails. “Is everything all right?” would be asked in any event.
Q.E.D.
@TravelinWilly Do you not realize when someone is doing it on purpose to show the flaw in your analogy?
Here you go to help further your
studies in English as a German:
https://textranch.com/c/everyone-was-or-everyone-were/
‘On top of that your analogy fails. “Is everything all right?” would be asked in any event.Q.E.D’
Exactly. That was my point. To prove your analogy was incorrect. You said many people so it should be were instead of was for everyone. So, we can use your analogy with everything. Everything according to your analogy would be many things thus we should use everything were based on your wrong logic.
You are the Tim Dunn of English grammar. Just making stuff up.
Haha. Must be really embarrassing for TravelinWilly to think it should be everyone were instead of everyone was.
‘airlines do cancel tickets if you don’t show up, and other people can be assigned those seats’
Nope. If you don’t show up, you a noshow at boarding. No airline cancels those seats.
. . . i guess, you don't travel that often or have not too much knowledge of how last minute changes at boarding happen.
Simple example, so you might understand better!
ID travel staff get's seats assigned often at the last second before a gate for a flight closes, because they get the last open seats on a flight, if any available.
THIS is just 1 example of how you thing supposedly sold seats get re-assigned to new passengers. 😉
Sounds like an unnecessarily rude FA triggered someone with a huge chip on their shoulder. Allegations of "racism" have become so commonplace as to be effectively trivialitised. Nothing to see here, folks.
Are you suggesting that racism doesn't exist? Were you on the flight and witnessed the events? No? Well I guess your opinion is irrelevant. I'm guessing you are caucasian and have no lived experience of what racism is.
Of course they play the race card. Some people see racism everywhere. The FA should be given the benefit of the doubt and is empowered to kick anyone off that may be a risk or creates a disturbance.
You should just as racist as the attendant. Trump got you feeling bold huh? I bet you wouldn't say what she said around a group of blacks. Because they'd beat tf out of you.
@Retired Gambler
So, according to you all the flight attendant has to say is that he or she may be…..to get removed from the flight with the key words being may be. That flight attendant could just not like you or wants retaliation and just use the ‘may’ to get you off the flight. You really are further empowering the flight attendants in the U.S. and Canada to be able to go on daily power trips with no repercussions at all.
Hey Racist: The assaulted pax didn't create a disturbance, but she moved immediately. You didn't understand the writeup, did you?
Rather one-sided report.
I presume we should assume FA was white?
‘It’s common to see flight attendants kick people off planes with fairly limited repercussions, so at least the assault accountability is good’
‘All too often, we see flight attendants kick passengers off flights on questionable grounds, with no real repercussions’
@Ben To make things clearer and more accurate, it should have been written as flight attendants in the United States and Canada.
I am thinking about your posts about the flight attendant going on a power trip on Air Canada and Alaska Airlines.
This is where the unions need to step in and lobby for legislation so that airline crew have qualified immunity for their actions taken in the line of duty. You cannot have a situation where safety concerns are secondary to potential civil liability in situations like this.
Sean, we’re overdue for air passenger rights legislation in the US, and perhaps a revisiting of international treaties as well, that can and maybe should include compromises such as what you suggest, but also duty of care and compensation for issues under the airline’s control. I think EU/UK 261 is a good start, but could also be further improved. As you have run operations for airlines, I’m confident you have your own preferences. There can and should be a better balance between the industry and consumers on many fronts. Better expectations and a renewed baseline standard would go a long way.
I'm sure the flight attendant was on a power trip, but "racism" is ALWAYS claimed by the same group of people. The fatigue is real...