Boom Technology is a Colorado-based aeronautics company that has been working on bringing back supersonic passenger air travel. Specifically, the Boom Overture is supposed to become the new Concorde, and United Airlines has even placed an order for the plane (presumably with lots of flexibility and little money down).
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You have less than a third of the passengers on a normal plane. I just don't get how this is going to be remotely sustainable. The only way the concorde got off the ground was with huge government funding. I don't see government being able to fund such a project now.
I’d love to see this work out financially.
I’m not holding out much hope that it will, sadly.
Would have been more realistic if the renders had "Global Airlines" as the carrier...
Actually, it is entirely possible that a four engine turbojet (not turbofan) design will be more economical. At supersonic speeds, the air velocity has to be dramatically decreased before it can enter the combustion cans. To do this, the inlet is designed such that the amount of air entering is constrained and then expanded significantly. More power needs more air, causing problems for this inlet design since remember that all of the air passes through the combustor and there is no bypass. The only other option is to run a greater fuel-to-air ratio. This is inherently wasteful and the power gains with each incremental increase in fuel is not proportional. The only option is to run four engines, each at a reduced capacity, but at the peak efficiency. This can therefore be more economical. The original Concorde considered the same method of operation at cruise.
The three engine concept meant that Engine #2 would be in the tail cone, which would make it a lot more difficult for maintenance crews to get at. That was one major issue with trijets because the engine could just be uncoupled from the engine pylon.
There's another key detail that isn't mentioned in the article: The range of the plane is now 4,250 nautical miles...
For reference, the distance between LAX/SFO and NRT is approx. 4,737 and 4,450 nautical miles, respectively. That puts Japan out of range of most of the US west coast. SeaTac airport is just barely in range at 4,144 nautical miles, which is close enough to the limit to make me wonder if it could make it in a scenario with severe headwinds... I wonder if the Overture will be restricted to Transatlantic travel routes just like the Concorde was... Maybe they plan to follow-up with a long-range version?
Hah hah, yeah, sure.
Your skepticism is well justified. This thing will never happen. They may succeed in building scale models, maybe even a smaller proof-of-concept model, but nobody alive today is going to see anything full-size like their "renderings". We've all seen this movie before (well, I have).
They haven’t even flown the prototype. The reason why it’s 1.7 instead of 2.2 is because it’s a much more difficult problem to solve due to ambient air temperatures. What do you expect from a bunch of Groupon bros trying to build an airplane.
I just realized just how far California is from everything. It’s at least 10 hours to any other continent. Ireland. Japan. Peru. The only convenient destinations to the west are Hawaii and Tahiti. It’s actually a pretty remote part of the developed world despite having populous cities and everything. Seattle and Vancouver are sort of in the same boat, but they have the advantage of being farther north. I guess that’s why they call California “out west”.
They are working on the engines with Rolls Royce.
https://boomsupersonic.com/news/post/boom-supersonic-and-rolls-royce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKPJ-20VVoI
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I remain confident to the success of this new endeavor.
A first class round-trip ticket from JFK to CDG on Air France is going to run about $12k. That's about the price one would have paid on the Concorde. The market can obviously bear the ticket price. So, the question becomes whether Boom's actual financial metrics (including capital expense) can fit inside a specific airline's financial model. As a manufacturing program, it can't possibly be worse than the A380 -- nothing can.
A niece interned with Boom after she graduated with a degree in aeronautics. She has nothing but great things to say about them. I have no doubt this will become reality. Whether by 2024, I don't know, but they will be flying soon.
There are only two major jet engine makers for commercial air, but the field expands a bit if you include defense contractors. Many places to get engines. My bet would be one of the defense contractors, as they have the experience to make jet engines that operate a supersonic speed.
The little creepy climate-girl would shit on herself over this, but unfortunately, plenty of Euro-governments probably will too.
No matter if Boom solves every cost difficulty inherent to this type of operation (and there are plenty), they're always going to be swimming upstream against the advancing flow of anti-aviation extremism that goes well beyond simple environmental protection. And it's definitely taken its hold in Europe. Antics like those of the Kardashians (taking private jets to two airports in the Greater Los Angeles area, 3minutes apart) won't help stave off those attitudes from taking root in the Americas either.
"how far California is from everything. It’s at least 10 hours to any other continent."
LAX-BOG, is the same distance as JFK-LGW. Barely 7hr.
LAX-LIM, is the same distance as JFK-VCE. Just over 8hr.
So yeah, the West Coast may seem isolated, but it's really not that bad for S.Am, and the eastbounds to Europe are still often beneath the 10hr range (not so the westbounds).
Everything I've heard or read in press releases says Rolls-Royce is designing the engine. It was featured on CBS "60 Minutes" recently and the CEO said Rolls-Royce is engine company.
Actually there are three.
Rolls-Royce
Pratt&Whitney
General Electric
If I had a guess, Boom will get Rills-Royce engines based on the EJ200 series that powers Eurofighter Typhoon.
As the screenname would imply, I want to believe in this so badly... but the skepticism is overwhelming.
I was a big believer in Aerion, especially after they (temporarily) joined forces with Airbus to develop their proposed AS2; though (like Boeing's Sonic Cruiser) the advertised cruise speed of never made sense.
After that flopped, I essentially lost hope again. Maybe Boom will be able to do it, particularly if they tap the resources of the likes of Airbus/Boeing/Lockheed to do so.
But wake me when there's an aircraft at a gate, ready to take pax. For now, I'll just be a skeptic.
Since we’re talking about propulsion, check another concept but to make the A380 viable in the longer term. CFM has designed a counter rotating turboprop for the A380, which was recently tested. Perhaps a significant step towards extending the longevity of the behemoth.
I know everyone is focused on if the plane comes to fruition but I'm (genuinely) curious why they have all those 'red lines' in the overhead shot of the plane? Sophistication?? It makes no sense that the lines are coming out of the engines and/or making some pattern in the spacing between the jet bridges. Ok, back to the other details...lol
The lines are typical lines that are painted on the ramp at the gates. They're to warn the ground crew to keep clear for the aircraft. The lines that look like they're coming from the engine are where the main landing gears should be when it taxis in.
Are you serious, are you kidding me, really?? We gave, we, our taxpayers over 55 billion dollars from US tax money to the airlines. No checks and balances, no watchdogs, no accountability. Don’t ever tell me they don’t have the government funding for project like this one! Concorde would only have wished to have such government support!!!
Extremism? I hope you do realise Europe has recorded record high temperatures this summer with Britain reaching 40c yesterday, first time and highest in history.
Climate change is real and aviation is also one of the many root causes! You can’t discount these climate activist as “extremist”. Also they are correct, why do you need a 1 hour flight when most high speed train can server that route in slightly longer time? And besides your time at airport would pretty much add up to a similar time scale of reaching your destination.
The question that they will not answer is can it fly nonstop from the west coast of the US to Europe, that’s the only way it will be a financial success
Interesting there are now no windows along the rear third of the fuselage. Wonder if it's a safety thing with the engine placement?
While I think this one has more legs than prior efforts, I was bummed to see the development being described in the kind of euphemistic language used to describe the development process of mindless apps on your phone. 'iterating,' XX prototypes, 'optimizing' for safety. You don't 'optimize' for safety like a conversion rate for a Groupon offer.
Keep in mind that these things will most likely only be allowed to exceed the speed of sound over water (oceans), so going eastbound from the west coast (well OK it's more like northeast-bound if you consider the shortest route) will involve basically crossing the entire continent sub-sonic, which makes no sense for such an aircraft.
I'm kind of bummed by the Mach 1.7 (slower than the 70's Concord!) but at least it's still 2x as fast as anything else flying commercially today.
I hate to be a wet blanket to your article. But first, we have the right to be skeptical, after all, one other company has already shuttered. But don't Boom already have a demonstrator, the XB-1? I mean, it is a huge step.
Well, I’m telling you anyway. That $55B was payroll money during a financial crisis, not seed money for a new start up company that’s never built an airplane before. The military may invest a negligible amount (<$100M), but not enough to offset required private investment.
The July 21 "Washington Post" has a full page ad saying "Mission Possible" jointly sponsored by Boom and Northrop Grumman. It goes on to say" Boom Supersonic and Northrop Grumman to adapt Overture--to help the United States and allies respond faster."
Looks like we have at least an attempt to sell the Boom Supersonic as a military system.
* 6 wheel main landing gear bogies
* 4 engines instead of an optimal two (or semi efficient 3)
* a passenger cabin suggesting a greater width and drag
(note the area beneath the pax cabin doors suggest more of a Concorde sized aircraft than Learjet sized plane with a “Jetstream style” stand up cabin as initially proposed)
* added weight of a non-lifting body tail plane instead of a lifting body chine canard system
* More engine weight, more fuselage, more fuel, more maintenance cost, more DRAG
The Overture design is morphing into some of the same basic issues which plagued the Boeing SST or prevented wide scale adoption of Concorde. Long ago i realized the trijet version of Overture was going to need “reheat” (at least upon the #2) to lift this concept into the air. This most recent version of Overture needs a lot more hocus pocus and nose twitching than that.
While i am not saying the Overture design is struggling… it is definitely not the same smaller airliner as originally proposed and so tremendously well received. Overture is going to take a lot more of design evaluation before it gets into the air and carries passengers at a real price the upper average citizen can afford and airlines can truly make a profit from.
This is not news. Stop it.
It's someone with a mockup. If you want I can draw you a supersonic e-VTOL that can take you to Mars. It's just a picture.
There will be no supersonic airliner anytime soon. There is no demand. Airlines are barely profitable as it is, passengers are price sensitive.. not time sensitive.
Demand will always be for cheap seats, not fast seats. The potential customers for this either video conference these days or fly private.
This is nonsense. Be better.